Trey

I'm glad you're confident.

He does, yes. However, Neji has survived a Kyuubi-supe'd up punch doing a half rotation, deflected supersonic arrows with minimal chakra, and broke out of Kisame' suiton-bubble. I'm sure Neji could handle whatever elemental jutsus Sasuke could throw at him.

Neji's Byakugan is a mighty counter against genjutsus.

I'm not sure Sasuke's eyes can keep up with the pace of Neji's strike, especially his 64/128 palms.

As for his moving speed, since Neji keeps up a barrier of chakra, his awareness is full proof. Also, Sasuke doesn't know about Neji's blindspot, therefore any advantage Sasuke would gain from the weakness is averted.

I'll give you that, but it's arguable Neji's most effective when there's not a lot of motion going on in the battle.

So, unless Sasuke can make an overlaying armor like Gaara and Kidomaru, one clean hit from Neji could end him.

MikeyM1979

Always.

From a pre-time skip 0TK Naruto. Not impressive. Actually, it's a little sad that he needed his ultimate defense just to do that.

You mean Kidomaru's?

That's not impressive. He needed one of his more impressive moves, the 64 strikes to break out of one water prison bubble, which was held by a freaking CLONE of Kisame. o_O

Really? Sasuke has shown he's capable of killing Itachi (had it not been genjutsu) twice, at the very least. Sasuke knows how to combine his attacks with elements.

That remains to be seen. And it's not a fact. As it stands, Byakugan can't counter, nor see through genjutsu. No where was it stated, nor where was it shown. Had Kishi meant for Byakugan to have that kind of ability, he would've had spoken of it in the manga or his databooks, or shown it. He's done neither.

I'm confident they can, however, they probably don't even need to. Sasuke can genjutsu Neji and make him think he's striking the real thing, or simply use the replacement jutsu. Or do both, as he's done with Itachi.

If pre-time skip Kidomaru figured it out, I'm fairly confident post time skip Sasuke, who is a stated genius, will figure it out. Also, Sasuke is still infinitely faster than Neji, so he can be aware all he wants to be. That doesn't mean he'd be able to keep up with Sasuke in speed.

I agree, he is. But Sasuke is now a speed demon. Neji is in trouble.

When have we seen Neji use one clean hit to end anyone? Sasuke doesn't need those kinds of defenses when he has genjutsu, speed, and trickery on his side.

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SilverYondiame

I would go with jiraiya. Not based on his strength and the results of the pupils he undertook. Its not like after training them, they just returned stronger than he was after training with him. Jiraiya trained them all at a certain time, but they didn't leave him stronger than he was. They were very much still weaker or equal to him in certain ways probably. But what he did do is train them in the skills needed to be a great shinobi. He trained them to work as a team, to cherish those they love, and to never give up. The latter of the things he taught them for shinobi characteristics is what helped them excel at surpassing him and others. Now of course he trained them in ninjutsu and other abilities, but mainly trained them to believe in themselves and to push themselves beyond their limits to reach new heights. Couple that with their natural resilences and desire... and you have the makings of a shinobi that can surpass most. He also probably taught them something pretty high scale that tested them to push beyond their limits at first. Something that would save them in a pinch.

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AnticitizenOne

I'm liking the debate so far. Trying to look upon it as if I was trying to counter it I can think of a lot. However, I think this was over before it begun, Trey put himself into an undefendable position. There's no way Neji could defeat post timeskip Sasuke. In my opinion though, Trey can still win if he makes the right arguments.

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Trey

The fact that it was a 0TK Naruto is neglible: Neji was just starting his rotation. So he basically blocked the punch with his elbow and some chakra.

Yeah, Spiderman Jr. shot some arrow that was breaking the sound barrier and Neji used the little chakra he had left to nudge it. Insignificant, I know: but it just highlights how badass Neji's defense is.

Truthfully, it had little to do with how smart Kidomaru was. Kidomaru's skills were the direct enemy to Neji's defense: like rock crushing scissors. And Neji still found a way to win, using scissors to fuck that rock up.

No, he just released a burst of chakra from his body and proceeded to beat down his clone as well as the clones holding TenTen and Lee, thereby saving their lives. Badass, much?



Sasuke has shown nothing: it's obvious beyond obvious it's not Itachi's plan to kill him. He hasn't even made a handseal towards Sasuke yet, at all. Really, Kakashi came closer to defeating Itachi, all things said.

Actually, since the Byakugan can see chakra flow and the definition of the chakra itself, Neji knows what's real and what's not. It works the same way against genjutsu, compared to the Sharingan, except it cannot reverse it upon the caster. Remember, the Byakugan is a lot more adept at seeing the truth, seeing things to it's core (chakra), than the Sharingan.

Did you forget about Neji's Byakugan? Unless it's a shadow clone (which Sasuke cannot do), then Neji's Byakugan will decipher what's real and what's not.

Kidomaru had all the right tools to figure out Neji's weakness. Sasuke doesn't have an iota of Kidomaru's long range prowess, and cannot attack Neji from as many angles as Kidomaru did.

Like I said, Neji fights better when he's not in motion. In every battle he's been in, he let his opponent come to him. It doesn't matter where Sasuke comes from (unless he gets really lucky and approaches from Neji's blindspot; which even then Neji knows he's there because he exudes chakra all the time), Neji will know immediately where he is. Neji's awareness is absolute.

So was Lee, but look what an near-infallible defense did to him.

True, we haven't seen him one-hit kill someone, but he's made critical one-hit blows without really trying (Hinata). And since PostTS Neji's pretty much an enigma, I think it's safe to assume he can one-hit KO.

Those defense are the only defenses that can completely advert Neji's style. Genjustu will only delay a chakra blow to the stomach for a minimal time against Neji; and who do you think has more chakra? The guy who can only do two Chidori's a day, or a guy who's whole style revolves around the constant release of chakra?

Trey

I appreciate the concern, but everything I said was said for a reason. If my argument falls because of some certain points, then my whole argument was useless. If I win this thing (which will be a miracle, because Sasuke is fleshed out like a mug whereas Neji is an unknown afterthought insofar), it'll be because I was completely right. True, there are variables that can tip the winner to either side (talking in a fight between Neji and Sasuke). However, these two characters are at a stage where if the battle concludes indefinitely, then we wouldn't really know who's better. People would be like, "Well is so-and-so did that..."

It's like this: Sasuke is the offensive powerhouse going up against a monstrous defense in Neji, who can also put Sasuke out of comission with one clean strike. This battle will be fought tactically, like a chess match, rather than sheer power (like the Neji Vs Naruto match). Because sheer power is the worst offense to try and take Neji out with.

Namikaze85

i see also lol you should worry about this next fight with itachi and sasuke sasuke may show that neji is nothing if he beats itachi abnd perhaps shows some excellent moves that we still haven't seen.

And lord knows what itachi would do to neji lol it would be a comedy not a fight.

But keep going at it i like the way you post get ready for me as soon as i debate mikey.

Trey

I don't even want to begin trying to defend Neji against Itachi. That's a whole other beast I truthfully couldn't overcome. =/

Though, it should be said, only a person with a Sharingan can defeat Itachi. Although Neji can see through the genjutsu, he needs to be able to countercast it, like Sasuke can.

Anyways, I'll look forward to matching wits against you, Namikaze.

Distortion

NamiKaze, why do you feel the constant urge to post insignificant things in this topic? By stating "oh theres a line that can backfire" your helping out Mikey, even if you don't mean to. What if Mikey didn't notice it and your pointing it out? If if its obvious, the possiblitiy is there. Sure, your the judge, but why not wait untill Trey and Mikey do their go abouts, and judge on the overall debate, instead of just giving obviously biased opinons on the matter. We get it, you praise Shrike and Mikey for their constant posts with backed-up information, as well as Trey. Most judges wait untill the show is over, not comment while it's going on. Go watch american idol if you need lessons.


Btw, what SMFox1987 who posted earlier wanted to say is... get over yourself NamieKaze. Honestly, I'd destroy you in a debate on Naruto any day, and yet you act like your some unknown genius. Just hope to yourself that you don't get put against me.

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Oh lol yeah you made a good point so sorry i just got a bit excited but really distortion trey can hold his own what i saw shouldn't matter to much relax

Also what you should get in your head is that i don't praise anyone i may respect mikey and shrike but that is for reasons well let's not say that's the only reason i seem to act different to them then i do to others. You can throw mystik in that respect thing too.

As for trey i was complimenting him i don't know what's the crime there i just simply like how the debates going for now.

So you can stop throwing your fits around here because i could give two shits about what you just posted to tell you the truth. and stop going at smfox like" oh why are you talking so big blah blah blah" he wants to act tough he can all of us think we are better debaters then others,just like you who said" smfox i can take you on anything". So please stop throwing a temper tantrum around here and stop contradicting yourself because you too seem to think that you are better than he is as he does to everyone else.

Distortion

Where's your background on why or how I think I'm better then everyone else? I simply said I was better than you. There's a difference of importance. If your master let's you out of the pokeball, please come at me with anything. Arguing and debating are two different things, like you said, I was right you were wrong. Mikey give me KamiKaze on any topic you want. That'll say it all.

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Namikaze85

Unknown genius lmaoo that's a bad oneee lol put myself against you *sighs* i pray for that moment to come as soon as possible.

As for me debating you mikey isn't my boss so i accept as soon as i debate mikey and trey after you will be next ohhh how i can't wait for that.

If you want a preview since you are talking all tough pm me i will debate you on anything you want your choice of the topic we'll see how good you claim to be then.

Distortion

Wow, re-read what I wrote, obviously I was speaking to you, on what SMFOX said about how you think your actually any good. Never once did I ever argue against anything he said or wrote. I said how we're gonna play the game, and your gonna have to be patient.

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Namikaze85

relax i edited my post since you are so smart and good you should have noticed it.

And for the sake of the thread i will shut up and stop spamming do the same will ya.


Anyone see that guy sasuke power damn does he want a tryout or not were the hell is he.

Until then anyone for a tryout i am open.

SilverYondiame

Okay, in the debate about Neji and Sasuke (Hyuuga vs. Uchiha)(Byakugan vs. Sharingan) there are a few abilities to take into account with this special bout.

One: Both Neji and Sasuke have strong inheritence of their clan's traits

Two: Neji has overcome (in some aspects) the sealing mark on his head from his clan

Three: Sasuke and Neji both have unlocked abilities of their clan without being shown them .... Uchiha fire-based jutsus from part one and hyuuga defense whirl and 32 strike in part one. So both are capable of using their clan's abilities beyond preconceived thought.

Four: Sasuke's sharingan has been shown to have potential of another level and to do similar things the byakugan can and more.

So really the fight between them could be very interesting. Sasuke's attacks may not get through to Neji save for his speed. But we really didnt see just how fast neji can be. I for one would love to see that match up

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