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Old 02-06-2008, 05:03 PM   #646
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please cut me out from this debate
as well as from the club.
Eh?
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fine till 2morrow nite.
I don't know if we should stop this yet.
I haven't read it yet, but I am sure they are still going strong...
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no shrike it's cool i said forget the time line for this one when mikey get's back i'll talk with him about it as well as with you.

Wait what why do you want o be taken out the fc.
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because I don't want to hear anymore comments like these:

"I love how you just kinda ingnored my "Ino wouldn't take over Shino" arguement to suit your debating needs"

"This shows inability to maintain stance in a debate, waffleing your opinion to suit your stance."

"but what part of auto-swarm don't you understand?"

"but those were such big flaws that I couldn't ingnore them.

I'm sorry, I'm not the type of person to take such comments too lightly, after I spent a good amount of time in this afternoon catching up with the reading and managing to do a counter post too. At the end I just wanted to go to sleep, and after an hour I get a comment to tear up all my effort in one second.
Sorry I don't find such debates fun for me anymore. Pick someone who can stand against such comments, coz I'm not the right person for it.
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Old 02-06-2008, 05:28 PM   #650
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because I don't want to hear anymore comments like these:

"I love how you just kinda ingnored my "Ino wouldn't take over Shino" arguement to suit your debating needs"

"This shows inability to maintain stance in a debate, waffleing your opinion to suit your stance."

"but what part of auto-swarm don't you understand?"

"but those were such big flaws that I couldn't ingnore them.

I'm sorry, I'm not the type of person to take such comments too lightly, after I spent a good amount of time in this afternoon catching up with the reading and managing to do a counter post too. At the end I just wanted to go to sleep, and after an hour I get a comment to tear up all my effort in one second.
Sorry I don't find such debates fun for me anymore. Pick someone who can stand against such comments, coz I'm not the right person for it.
Dont let that get you down.. have you seen me debate.. i suck at it.. i cant do walls of text like the rest of you.. your lucky if you get a small paragraph out of me.. what did i tell you before.. you have more knowlegde see i cant even spell anyway you know more stuff about naruto then even i do.. your comments are just fine and silver said so and so have others.. so dont quit just because one person gets you down.. if thats the case i would of quit living period due to past experiences.. after all i still love ya so that should count for something <3

liuaishan i dont know you as well as i know most of these other guys.. however from what i have gathered from you.. i can see you dont give up so easily.. and thats what i like about you.. dont let me be wrong about that and see you actually give up..
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Re: The Naruto Debating FC

Likewise silver.

(I'll go for the knock down) Let's hope you all get up after this one.

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just channeling chakra is not the only way to neutralize genjutsu. Shika broke his finger to force his brain to concentrate on something else than the genjutsu. Kurenai bit her lips when Itachi put her in her own genjutsu and she neutralized it. So she even showed in front of Asuma how to break her own Genjutsu. (assuming he wasn't too busy to scratch Kisame at that time)
We know, but we don't know if even self pain or the breakage of genjutsu via the split of chakra force would be enough for either Team 10 member to break out of Kurenai's genjutsu. That has yet to be proven and we know she is a genjutsu specialist, she'll be one of the top users of that art to know how
to apply genjutsu to block out the efforts of the opponents.

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what Sylver meant, I believe, is that Shika can “cast his own genjutsu”, meaning, while he is IN Kurenai's genjutsu, he can counter it (by means proven by me and the manga so far), and still pretend he's in the genjutsu by throwing a kunai in some random (strategical mind you) spot, to make the opponents think he's seeing things, or he has no control on his senses under genjutsu. That strategically placed kunai can help for a later kage mane, or some other interesting plan Shika usually has. While Shika is a few steps further with the plans, since the others still think he's in the genjutsu.
That's not genjutsu, that is advanced trickery. What you've proved was that he can break out of genjutsu, but what you fail to prove is whether he can break out of her genjutsu.

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*shakes fist* stole me the pleasure to prove you how easy you can neutralize Kurenai's genjutsu since you said it yourself. If shadows or anything else can't help, he can bite his tongue.
Again your assuming that so much pain would allow him to break out of her genjutsu. If Kurenai's genjutsu is as strong as hinted, Shikamaru would wind up bitting his tongue off and bleeding to death.

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he'll make sure this can happen. I don't have an idea myself but I'm not genius unlike him. If he managed to do that with Temari who kept measuring her distance, he'll be able to do it again.
But Temari's a long range fighter, she had no choice, being the talented genius Shikamaru is, he found out how to beat her at her own game. Shino can attack from a longer range as well as from a closer range, Hinata is a close range figther with vision that allows her to see longer ranged attacks, Kiba and Akamaru attack in close range, but with faster speeds, and Kurenai assuming she fights from mid range to a more farther range. There is a variety of fighting styles and tactics among Team 8. It is not that simple for Shikamaru in this case.

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1. no
2. Shika says: “everyone bite their tongues on 3. Ready? 3!!!
Assuming it will work. It would be quite the laugh if they all ended up with mouth full of blood, while still being trapped in genjutsu... Even Jiraiya said if you can't break out of it, give up...

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while shino struggles to chase Shika with the bugs, Ino will just cast him in mind switch and have him go scratch Hinata, while the bugs would stare at him wondering when he changed the plan. I don't think the bugs act by themselves if they don't have any orders from Shino.
And Kurenai will be busy with Asuma or Choji. A genjutsu is out of question coz the same trick doesn't work twice. If Asuma sees her try cast Genjutsu on Ino (while she does her mind jutsu) he'll will just go and drop a punch in her head. They're very aware of her genjutsu abilities by now and can find
numerous ways to avoid it. Besides, how many times do you think she can actually cast genjutsu on 4/four/IV people without draining herself of chakra. Her genjutsu is not unlimited, you know. She has to think twice if she continues with genjutsu all the battle. It's easier for Shika and the others to just bite their tongues every time, than for her to consume so much chakra and keep trying to KO them with genjutsu.
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Ino is not that clever. You do know that Shino moves around right? Ino has to be perfectly still as well as her opponent for her jutsu to work. The slight misshap would cause her to be done. Also the bugs can hide, unlike Team 8, Team 10 can't locate the bugs as simply, due to their lack of tracking. The Destruction bugs can be clever. They can hide in the dirt, and slowly creep up. But if a female does manage to get on an opponent, the male bugs will definately go to the location. Whether they strike or not, is all up to Shino and I'm sure he'll be controlling them appropriately. A genjutsu might not even be needed if Ino made such a move. If she misses, which will be a great chance of that happening of course, her time fighting will definately be done. Having Kurenai cast her genjutsu even once could be deadly. They would be more worrying about not getting caught in the genjutsu at all. For all we know, cause more self mutilation would be aiding Team 8. I mean they'd be doing the job for them if pain alone won't get them out of the genjutsu. You talk about bitting the tongue as it is so simple to do. Even if they'd have to bite their tonges, they'd have to bite down really hard a lot for them to keep surviving. How much of the tongue bitting do you think they will be able to handle? That is what genjutsu does, it forces opponents to take extreme measures in order to get out.

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none of you tried to prove this false so far (too late for you now :P j/k) , so I'll take it you accept it. So this makes Chouji be able to counter Kiba even in smoke. Simply over power him. He can use blue pill just in case, but a bag of chips helps too.
There is no need for that. Kiba and Akamaru posses powerful taijutsu regardless. That may sound like nothing from that statement, but they are fast too. Being just powerful won't win against someone who is also powerful yet have the speed to back up the missing gap.

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It's called *bite your lips no jutsu* and was developed by Kurenai herself. XD
A reversal of her own genjutsu. I believe there should be more discussion regarding this statement. Kurenai knows the affect of her genjutsu, once Itachi used the Sharingan to reverse the affects, for all we know, the strength and level of the genjutsu can not be determined. Assuming she is an all powerful genjutsu user, she could strengthen the genjutsu to such a point that even pain won't simply allow for an easy escape route.

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actually I changed my mind. I'll just take Sylver's quote as true since you didn't counter it. :P Kiba's specialty is nose, Choji's is sheer strength.
Your forget that Kiba was considered one of the fastest of the rookies right?

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All members have enough clothes on them to give up some and scatter them around to confuse Kiba's nose. Not to mention that if Ino does some striptease we might have some 1 hit K.O. And if Choji does some striptease, everyone will have nightmares, so yah. Kiba's tracking will be useless in such
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Not really. If Akamaru gets his urine on them period, such as on the face and even on the the feet, tracking them down won't be difficult at all. Kiba and Akamaru will get the right scent, their attack covers too much ground and speed for it to be that inaccurate.

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Kurenai says “shit, where is my hair???????”
Asuma: Nyahahaa, these chakra blades are useful. (he landed a scratch on Kisame's face, Kurenai is not better)
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she doesn't need that time. She'll already have Kurenai's hair through a good strategy used by Shika, and will just use it when she feels the time is right and sees an opening, like:
Ino: “oh, Hinata, naruto is in the air!”
Hinata: “where?” *KO-ed*
Remember, Ino can be a bitch and has a bad mouth, Hinata is too sensitive for her. (and naruto strategies seem to be fun :P)
Right. Like it would work... How convient that her hair would be planted all around her so that Ino would get the chance to capture her, yeah with the wind blowing and everything something like that will never happen.

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doesn't even need to. Once Ino got Hinata, she can just go read a book, and keep Hinata out. No, kidding. :P Like I said last time, once an opponent is trapped in the mind jutsu, Choji can come and roll over just as soon as Ino releases. Or Shika can use the strangulate technique after Ino releases.
Shika will find a way. He's a lot more genius than all of us here together.
And you think Shino and the group wouldl let something like that happen? Shino would just get his bugs to scare her, just like my partner said. He does not even have make them strike, they'll just crawl around her and jump into her training bra to give her the shakes. We know how Ino is, she'll freak in a second.

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You fell for it. That was a distracting shadow to keep Shino's bugs busy and fooled for a while while Shika was doing some thinking and sending another undetected shadow somewhere else. Of course that would take him some chakra coz of the bugs but he'd know how much chakra to release in that shadow, and it's worth it, since he had landed a useful attack somewhere else.
Yeah sure, although Shino could be a bug clone talking to Shikamaru. While Shikamaru thinks he got the real one, here comes Shino with a right hand (I know does not seem so thrilling).

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Sylver was still having his first post in mind that Choji is the sheer power of the rookies and no one equals him.
Which hardly means anything. We know they are both powerful, but Kiba has the advantage. He's faster and is able to get in more hits.

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I'm emotionally stronger than Hinata, and even I couldn't stand against Ino's mouth. Seriously, even Naruto is scared of that girl x_X
Words won't matter to a certain point. When it comes to push and shove, Ino will be on the ground coughing up blood.

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Exactly. Like I said, this is teamwork. Ino is used as a distraction to Hinata while Shika thinks of something else. Some of the examples already stated above probably, or he can come with something new.
Sure, it is all team work. The only problem is that Ino's skills are only useful when she's partnered with Shikamaru. On her own, she is useless. Comparing her to Sakura and saying she had the same skills is not saying much, you do remember Sakura was almost useless in Part 1, right?
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because I don't want to hear anymore comments like these:

"I love how you just kinda ingnored my "Ino wouldn't take over Shino" arguement to suit your debating needs"

"This shows inability to maintain stance in a debate, waffleing your opinion to suit your stance."

"but what part of auto-swarm don't you understand?"

"but those were such big flaws that I couldn't ingnore them.

I'm sorry, I'm not the type of person to take such comments too lightly, after I spent a good amount of time in this afternoon catching up with the reading and managing to do a counter post too. At the end I just wanted to go to sleep, and after an hour I get a comment to tear up all my effort in one second.
Sorry I don't find such debates fun for me anymore. Pick someone who can stand against such comments, coz I'm not the right person for it.

Oh that sucks oh well it's to bad for you that you won't be released from this fc if you want i can go in my crazy mode and call that person out hell i will anyway.

@hinatafanx

Next time keep your little comments to yourself if it doesn't help the debate don't run that big mouth of yours.

Take into account that people could get mad at you for saying some stupid shit like that you got liuaishan all worked up and wanting to leave the fc becuz of this.

I know you like debating i can see that after instead of putting your points in a summarized view you take up one page of the thread to get your points across,but refrain from saying these kinda things to the wrong people.

"I love how you just kinda ingnored my "Ino wouldn't take over Shino" arguement to suit your debating needs"

"This shows inability to maintain stance in a debate, waffleing your opinion to suit your stance."

"but what part of auto-swarm don't you understand?"

"but those were such big flaws that I couldn't ignore them.
those are the lines by the way.


liuaishan,if you still want to leave fine i can pm mikey but you should reconsider.

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I love how you just kinda ingnored my "Ino wouldn't take over Shino" arguement to suit your debating needs, but by doing so, you didn't counter, leaving one of your arguements about taking over Shino as void, also that you decided to change your mind to suit the needs of the arguement by shifting the basis of the Meat Tank vs. Gatsuuga. This shows inability to maintain stance in a debate, waffleing your opinion to suit your stance.

And one comment you made about Shino severely bugged me (no pun intended) so much, that I had to say soemthing.


Already argued that Ino wouldn't take control, but what part of auto-swarm don't you understand? Shino wouldn't struggle because the bugs would be following on their own! That's what the female bug does!

I'm sorry for posting out of turn but those were such big flaws that I couldn't ingnore them.
I didn't see this post.

HinataFanX, it's NOT allowed to comment until it's your turn. I think I already said the rules for this debate, no?

I am considering of stopping the debate right now, but for the sake of your teammates and the other team, I will not do so yet.

Nami, we need to talk about this...
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This debate is now over i already contacted shrike and we discussed other matters as of now this debate is over also you can thanks hinatafanx for that.
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Ah shoot what happened?

Oh. That is a bit problematic.
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well damn you two handled that very well.. i have to admit i am very proud by the way.. yay go co owners lol
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I just wished I could have read a page back before posting.
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God dammit!

I'm sorry for running my mouth and drawing attention on unnecessary things and leading to the canceling of the debate.

Mystik thank you for your words, I'll answer you in a PM
Namikaze, thank you too for defending me.

Guys I'm sorry for creating such problems. Please take me out of this club coz I don't wanna cause such issues anymore.
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