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I was thinking and this thought has been on my mind , "How did the 4th know that the kyuubi was going to attack to know to develop the Death God Jutsu to stop it and transfer it into his son, and why did he put it into his son did he know that these current events where going to take place and that his son would need the power of the kyuubi to save the world"?

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Minato was a genius, he could see what kind of situation was taking place, so he made the appropriate choices about executing his plan. It had been stated that he protected the village at all costs, thus Konoha was in great hands for a while. But I'm sure Minato can't see the future, he just knew what to expect after seeing the Kyuubi randomly appear to destroy his peaceful village.

What we should be more concerned with, is what did Minato expect out of his son? The reason why Naruto was chosen as the container for the beast is the key point. The fact that Minato took special measures to seal the Yang chakra of the Kyuubi into his son, while sealing the Yin into his own body. Minato choosing to allow the seal to leak small portions of the Kyuubi's chakra into Naruto's system when needed, and placing his son's protection in the hands of Jiraiya, by submitting the key that matches Naruto's seal onto one of Jiraiya's frog summons, suggesting that the key was meant to be given to Naruto when he's ready, and the Mastery of a Specific jutsu.

Questions surrounding why Naruto's body can withstand the Kyuubi's chakra, how come his chakra defense is so powerful, why is his chakra generally higher than usual, how come the strength of his chakra is so dense that it can burn his own hand? Mysteries surrounding Naruto's whole character is something that should be taken into account.

Naruto is special, Minato knew that, before we began to understand why Naruto was chosen, we need to learn more about Naruto's ancestry and possibly the clan Namikaze or even Uzumaki. The fact that the Kyuubi struck Konoha, which was a peacefully town, has a connection to the Uchiha's dark history. It was something Minato knew or had a connection to. Naruto is the Key, the reason why the Kyuubi is not in Madara's hands is because of what Minato chose to do.

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Also, just an add-on, if people has given you praise as the strongest ninja ever born, you must think your son can handle it, at least try to. It sucks though, as a small small detour, did J-Man take care of naruto when he was a baby?

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SilverYondiame

I agree tha Minato couldn't see the future. Nor did he create those jutsus to deal with the specific attack of the Kyuubi on Konoha or the sealing methods to put in naruto. It was more of on the minute decisions coupled with genius though, high hopes, and little time for the best planning possible. Minato was not there at the beginning of teh attack of the Kyuubi on Konoha. All we know is that after sometime, Minato showed up and defeated the Kyuubi by sealing it in naruto. I'm sure Minato knew that the power of the kyuubi couldn't fully be sealed in one person (let alone a baby boy), so he had to ration out the sealing. The Kyuubi may have had too much power for him alone to actually seal fully with himself as the container to complete the death god jutsu. It is also safe to deduce that Minato knew more information of a situation than time at that moment would have allowed him to devulge with others of the village or so. So there is more safety in knowing that the amount of chakra that (yang) Minato sealed in naruto was already aware in his mind that it would leak out - thus he gave the key to Jiraiya who he knew would watch over Naruto, but not be soo close to him as to jepardize the welbeing of Naruto or the village. He trusted and hoped in Jiraiya to make the right decision if need be to return into Naruto's life with the "key" as access. Now of course this is all speculation, but it would be plausible to say the least given the limited legendary information we have on minato and the moments surrounding that event.

I believe those are just characteristics of him that are biological and don't have a base in a clan or so (if that is what you were hinting at). More like you know everyone has particular traits that are unique to them alone - it doesn't matter about a clan or so. Just biological variation.

Mostly true there, but there is more to it as to why Madara has done what he is doing. I believe that he couldn't get Kyuubi because he could no longer summon it after learning that Yondaime sealed it away. But he doesn't know that only half of the Kyuubi chakra is in Naruto. So he struck a deal with Pain knowing that possibly the Rin'negan is capable of extracting bijuu. Possibly, Madara is planning on somehow absorbing the power of all the bijuu once extracted and truely become the strongest and greatest shinobi. Seems like something Madara would do since he is power hungry and has been defeated twice so far.

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I don't recall actually reading in the manga that Minato specifically used the death god jutsu to seal the kyuubi in Naruto, could someone point me to that page? I don't doubt it, just would like to read that part.

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What minato did is out of this world genius level he was able to split yin and yang he was able to use shiki fuuji and then use an eight trigram seal right after using a 4 trigram seal he was able to put the kyuubi in his son the level minato was on is out of this world nobody can compare to him.


@silver yondaime the whole kyuubi is in naruto minato just split the dark chakra and kep the light chakra naruto can very well still draw out 9 tails all of them.

Jiraiya explained it that he kept the light for his son but dark sealed away with himself .

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Minato some how knew that Naruto would be a great vessel. In chapter 370, the Toad talks about why Minato chose Naruto as the vessel. Something about him being the only choice, or the most reliable option. Yamato questions why Naruto is even able to move while he is in the 4th tailed state. Than Yamato talks about Naruto's chakra defense. If it had been some other person that had the beast within, they'd parish along time ago. I don't think it was just a coincidence that the right person with the right materials to keep the Kyuubi's chakra in check, just happened to be able to at least, combat the Kyuubi's chakra and keep it from eating away at his body on a normal basis. It very well might not have much to do with clan, but Minato obviously knew that his son, would not die from having the Kyuubi inside him. Yang chakra alone, still highly dangerous and considered poison on higher levels.

Yes, that would be the reason for forming Akatuski. Madara wants the Kyuubi, so he knew that it was sealed in Naruto. This brings me to my next point. The Yin chakra is considered the dark or devilish side of chakra (we discussed it), if the Mangekyou Sharingan is really a form of a Yin type of dojutsu (if possible), perhaps Madara only can control the dark side of the Kyuubi. If the Yang was sealed in Naruto and the Yin sealed away, if the Kyuubi somehow got extracted from Naruto, Madara would not be able to use it. Of course that's just conjecture as well...

I'm sure that is what Madara plans on doing, but absorbing the Bijuu would be quite impossible, even for him, he probably just want to control them, and submit them to his will.

edit: But yeah, the Kyuubi's entire spirit is sealed within Naruto.

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Namikaze85

well madara could only control kyuubi he doesn't have the ability like shodaime to control any bijju he can only control the kyuubi like itachi said.

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that's right, Madara is only in it for the Kyuubi. But under Akatuski's control, Madara possibly could make use of the bijuu, he may not actually be able to control them, but using Pain's new kinjutsu to create a power jutsu that could destroy a country, perhaps Madara could make great use of it.

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SilverYondiame

Well we haven't been told what the final ability of the MS is through the Eternal MS. Nor do we know how (maybe genjutsu) Madara controlled the Kyuubi like a pet. What if the Eternal MS does possess the ability to control just one bijuu. And Madara chose the Kyuubi as the greatest to compliment his ego and power of being called the greatest shinobi. But then Shodaime's ability to control bijuu was greater (something along those lines - hopefully more of the mystery surround that battle will be revealed later). Then it would make sense for Madara to want the control the kyuubi and all other now. Like if Shodaime used his ability and to control other bijuu and used all their chakra in combination with his to defeat Madara using the Kyuubi. Could be possible. So out of vengence, Madara will use Pain who may have the ability to place the bijuu in one being or other (similar to the statue) and then Madara will betray pain and somehow get him to transplant them into Madara himself. Plausible speculation I would say, but speculation none the less

Plausible as well.

I'm picking up what you are putting down now. Still, I do believe that may well be related to biological variation and chance that naruto has those traits. Only because if Naruto does have special abilities from a clan, then it would take way from the building plot and setting that Kishi had done with making Naruto (a seemingly non-talented, un-unique individual) chosen to house the Kyuubi, with no clan relation and all alone in the world in the start, to be able to be the to surpass all other Hokage and other legendary shinobi with guts and determination. Kishi has built Naruto to have to make a name for himself among the shinobi world without any known ties or abilities to a clan or others that would aide in giving him greatness. He has reserved that aspect of a character to the uchiha boy - Sasuke.


Good point there S.O.

Why would it be impossible for him? We once thought it would be impossible for someone to actually be able to summon the kyuubi. But Madara was able to do so... why not be able to do summon the others as well - he would have the Rin'negan to help him develop a jutsu or way to do so. All Specualtion stil though

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Sorry if this is all out of order.

Well Madara is not summoning the Kyuubi, it seems it is more like a type of control, like placing the beast in a genjutsu or something, in my opinion that is. The way you said it, appeared to be that you were referring to the possibility that Madara would asborb their strength. That was why it sounded impossible.

True, although I'm not directly trying to link Naruto to a clan, but unlike most shinobi who had the chance to be around their fellow clansman, learn their techniques, study their ways, Naruto learned nothing, he had to rely on the material that was given to him from the academy. Just being fed the same stuff everyone else had, minus the stuff from parents and family, Naruto had to find his own way, he stole the scroll from the Hokage's lookout and mastered a high jounin level jutsu. Just because he has a certain power, does not mean he will follow it.

I'm saying it is a possibility that Naruto has a little of something from both clans, but the reason why Jiriaya trains him otherwise, is probably because he does not want to train a genius or someone who knows how to create and develop powerful tactics in a blink of an eye. He wanted someone who can rely on themsevles for the most part and not use their ancestry as an escape for hard work. I'm saying it is hard to believe that Naruto holds nothing from his parents, but I'm not trying to say that he has to rely on the powers he obtained from them.

I'm just saying could it be a reason that Naruto's chakra is strong enough to repel the Kyuubi's? Even if Naruto has special chara linked to a clan, he can't use it to its full potential, becuase he is constantly suppressing the Kyuubi's chakra, which means the chakra he has normally, could be unstable (thus bad chakra control), so at times of need, he'll have to use the Kyuubi's chakra. This was a bit of conjecture, but some of the stuff I believe I can find proof on...

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it is said that those that are born into clans tend to have more chakra than regular shinobi in other for them to do their special techniques or use their bloodline, I for one believe naruto is the last of his kind like sasuke and one day that lost past within his life would surface and when it those it would give naruto the extra motivation to become the best and fulfill his parents dream that they had for him.

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From the previous debate above, I've come to a realization, so to speak.

Naruto should have beef with Madara.lol

Madara is responsible for causing the village of Konoha to loose a good amount of shinobi as well as the death of many villagers by launching the Kyuubi. The attack on Konoha 16 years ago was described as devastating.

But how does this relates to Naruto? Well thanks to Madara's plan, Naruto lost both of his parents I would assume. The 4th Hokage could not defeat the beast on his own, so he wanted his son to be known as the savior of the village as the container of the beast's spirit. Although Minato had a reason, it is assumable that Minato could not seal the entire power of the Kyuubi away into his own body or the Death God.

I remember in the case with the 3rd Hokage, he did not have the strength to seal all of Orochimaru's spirit into the death god's stomach, so he managed to seal both of his arms away. Perhaps the samething happened in the case with the Kyuubi. The Kyuubi was a fearsome beast with an unimaginable amount of power, perhaps he was only able to take half of the Kyuubi's power with him.

But with that Yang chakra of the beast still at large, that power needed to be contained. I assume that's when he decided to use his new born son. Of course Minato planned it all out, right after he got knews of the Kyuubi's attack. There was a jutsu that neither he nor Jiraiya could master, so he left the key that would match his son's seal onto a toad that Jiraiya would use.

Minato leaving his son's overall protection in his master's hands was an automatic choice, as he was Naruto's Godfather.

So Minato already planned it out, he would have his son hold some measure of the Kyuubi's chakra while the other part of the chakra would be sealed away, forever. I assume Kushina left with Minato. As Minato challenged the beast, I believe Kushina parished as a result of the powerful chakra that was nearing her body.

I don't think Naruto was ever meant to hold all of the Kyuubi's chakra, as it was discussed above.

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I like your explanation SO. Would be nice to see naruto having to go all out on Madara, coz we already have one sharingan vs sharingan fight. Another one (Sasuke vs madara) wouldn't be as cool anymore. A non-Sharingan vs Madara would be something new. But who handles Pain? Both go to Naruto and Sasuke has what? Unless Naruto and Sasuke take Madara and then Naruto gets Pain (he might be last, so Naruto would end the prophecy). Would be awesome for Naruto and Sasuke to pair, OMG I want that! Even if they were always rivals, they were good at pairing.

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Yeah that is basically what I'm hinting. Even brought it up in the chapter discussions. Naruto should have just as much beef with Madara. Co-op would be great.

Sasuke has Itachi. Naruto has Pain. They both have Madara.

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