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We can see that even at the beginning of the fight, Itachi's vision was off and unclear. His vision and his actual eye is already hurting from using his 1st MS technique that Sasuke broke. Because of his lack of vision, he takes an attack that Zetsu cants understand why he didnt dodge
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/389/08/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/389/09/

Here we see that Itachi was forced to dodge another attack with his leg injury, which would slow anybody down and make them not fight at 100%
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/389/10/


After Itachi uses this MS techniue, his eye starts bleeding, and he likely feels a lot of physical pain since he keeps it closed like he did with the other eye after using MS on Sasuke. This tecnique harms him so bad that he drops to his knees and holds his eye. Imagine how much physical pain and stress he must be in to drop to his knees.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/390/02/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/390/10/

Itachi is finnaly forced to open his eye once again to dodge one of Sasuke's attacks, and puts his hand to his eye as he realizes that he is blind in that eye. Even Sasuke notices the effect of the MS is taking it's toll on Itachi. This is where Itachi's eye is 1st seen to be this clear color. Only the right eye.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/390/14/


Itachi once again closes the eye since it is useless for sight.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/390/15/

Itachi gets up from Sasuke's lightning attack, bleeding from the mouth. This is where the bleeding from the mouth starts.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/391/14/

Itachi says that if had not used his jutsu, he would ave been obliterated. Clearly he took some of the attack since he is slowly getting up off the ground, bleeding from his mouth. If Itachi had done his jutsu in time, he would not have been knocked to the ground in the fiirst place. He made it intime to save his life, but he still took a lot of damage.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/391/16/

Now Itachi is blind in both eyes after being forced to use is last MS technique Both eyes are white, without any tomoe. He can now only rely on Sasuke's voice and the sound of his movements to predict Sasuke's location.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/391/17/


Itachi says "I know this feeling". Orochumaru and his snake beast were big as day. Itachi could have seen it instead of feeling it. He wasnt even looking up. If u look at his face, he is looking down slightly. Itachi was already blind, and counted solely on voices, sounds, feelings, and Susanno from here on out
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/392/08-09/

Sealing away Orochumaru with Susanno took even more out of Sasuke and he suffers more physical pain. He now begins coughing up blood after the damage he recieved from Sasuke's lightning attack, combined with using Susanno to do 2 seperate techniques against Orochumaru. Once again he drops to his knees.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/393/02/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/393/04/

Itachi reaches out for Sasuke and is guided only by the sound of Sasuke's voice.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/393/12/


Itachi smiles, knowing that he is going in to tap Sasuke's forehead. He is slightly looking down, and his head is slowly dropping even more. Probably not even looking at Sasuke's face to befin with.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/393/13/


Here Itachi is clearly looking down. He was completely blind since he first used his final MS technique to block Sasuke's lightning attack.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/393/14-15/

The damage that Itachi suufered from Sasuke's fianl attack, combined with the damage that both of his eyes individually endured from his MS, combined with the fact that his vision became impaired and his blindness seems to have set in during this battle against Sasuke are the reasons why Itachi didnt seem like himself in this battle, as Zetsu pointed out. Sasuke's attack laid him flat on the ground and started the bleeding from his mouth, and Itachi's own MS jutsu's brought him to his knees several times. The combination of the can be attributed to Itachi's defeat.

Itachi wasnt sick, and he didnt fight anyone before fighting Sasuke. Madara had no effect on Itachi either. Sasuke and Itachi killed Itachi. But it was mostly due to Itachi's overuse of his MS, along with his impaired vision that led to his defeat. Itachi was physically at 100% at the beginning of the fight, but his eyes were not, at least after using the 1st MS jutsu against Sasuke.

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Namikaze85

Well first off itachi wasn't blind the white eyes thing that's how the uchiha eye looks like whensharingan is off just a blak dot inthe middle sasuke had the same thing so it has nothing todo with blindness.
he said he knows this feeling because at the time all that there was were a bunch of snakes and he knew from the past that this feeling was oro's hyddra jutsu he then goes on top slice some snakes and when oro comes out he syas"so you finally show yourself huh"

Itachi was in no shape or form blind when his vision decreased those were after effects from the mks use zetsu knew this as well.

To why he was so weak to begin with nobody knows i a am leaning the same as zetsu that mks does a lot more then damage you eyesight i think it gives you major life threting health problems.

The only thing i can say is that we know he wasn't 100 percent and we know that it was his body who defeated itachi not sasuke,sasuke can only be considered the winner because he was standing when itachi fell.

Although in my eyes for a person like me i can never ever consder that a win only someone low with no pride can.

Shrike

I do not agree with OP.

Firstly, we do not know how much damage did Itachi take from Kirin. What's more, there is no way that such an attacks would leave consequences like internal bleeding or MS for that matter. Unless there is something we do not know about MS.

Also, he totally wasn't at 100% obviously. Compare Itachi from Part I, where he is 3 years younger, and Itachi from this fight. Then, he used 3 MS techniques and his eyes were fine. True, it still damaged them, but after using 3 MS techniques there was absolutely no damage to his actual body.
In this instance, he grabs his chest as if he has a heart attacks or heavy internal bleeding. Kirin can't cause that, it's an instant-kill lightning attack, same as Amaterasu, as Sasuke already said.

So, either MS causes much more damage to the body than we knew, or Itachi was injured or sick.

And Nami, Itachi's eyes are not white, they are black when he doesn't have the Sharingan on. So, yeah, MS totally wasted them.

Namikaze85

Yes but if you look at leaf ninja the eye of the uhciha the white eye is how it looks lke.

The first stage of the uchiha eye is blue and a dot in the middle however the manga isn't colored so the eye turns ot like this.

Besides like i said sasuke had the same shit white eye with a dt in the middle last i checked he doesn't have mks so he couldn't have gone blind.

Shrike

Itachi's eyes are black, and so are Sasuke's D:
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/148/07/ - Itachi's eyes with no Sharingan.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/3/naruto_v01_ch003_089/ - Sasuke's eyes, also black.

Namikaze85

So are you telling me they both went blind lmaoo because both they're eyes wee white with a dot.

i0ana

All this might have an explanation.
Maybe Itachi had problems with his MS from the beginning because he did have the MS for a long time now. So my guess is that Itachi might have used his MS too much in the past years. I remember that Kakashi also asked him how where his eyes doing. (I know why he asked him but I'm trying to explain smth here)
So: maybe Itachi's eyes were already going blind when he came there and that's why all of that happened. Maybe thats the reason he rushed in fighting Sasuke so soon, because he was going blind for using so much the MS.

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I say this counts as a win for me. Itachi was a full strength at the very begining. You can't tell me Itachi was at a disadvantage when sasuke was tried to attack him and he flew behind sasuke, grabbed him by his hood and then slammed his ass like sasuke wasn't even a worthy opponent.

Also he was able to match Sasuke when they both where throwing all of those shurikens. Itachi handled that like it was nothing. You couldn't say Itachi wasn't at his peak in his fight. He fought his hardest but the thing is that sasuke dragged the fight on for such a long time that using MS requires a ton of chakra. I remember talking about earlier that a way to defeat a MS user is to make him drag out the chakra and attack him when he is about to run out. Itachi also heavily overused Ameratsu to the point where his eyes started bleeding. When Itachi and Kisame were in Jaraiya's toad belly, he used ameratsu to make an escape hole, he didn't even do it longer than a second. After doing that he had to cut off his sharigan and rest from the extreme chakra loss using that move. Itachi in Sasuke's fight used Ameratsu for quite a long time! Imagine the damage to his body!

Sasuke may have won but you can't blame Sasuke that he had an unfair advantage at the begining of the fight. We just happened to witness what happens when you overuse a super powerful move. It tears your body down and it does more damage to you than to the opponent. To me it sounds like Itachi lost because he choose to overexert himself. Thats nobody's fault but his own.

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ronpal101

imo, i think Itachi is not really 100% at the beginning at the fight..if you count how he slammed Sazuke on the floor, threw shurikens, tsukuyumi, amaterasu and susano, then that could mean that weak Itachi > full Sazuke...

well, just an observation.. but i think the whole arc is not yet finished.. something big might still happen, like Itachi's not dead and will do a last revelation and explain what's happening, since Zetsu is also wondering about him..

uchihamadara

just the fact that he used all the mks jutsus took a toll on him.

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Well Sasuke's eyes looked like that because he was in the Cursed Seal Level two without Sharingan activation. Normally, if Sasuke is in Cursed Seal Level two, his eyes would look yellow with a little dot in the middle.

It is time for a theory A big Theory surronding The Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan and the Regular Mangekyou Sharingan.

(I Think I know the reason, the reason behind Itachi's illness)

Perhaps we are misunderstanding blindness. Maybe the price for attaining the powerful Mangekyou Sharingan is not exactly blindness, perhaps it is death.

http://www.islandne.com/online/?a=view&id=386&image=7

Maybe that abnormality was his life being drained away. If someone was going blind, would they feel it? It seems the eyes being sealed away, may be connected to their own life being drained away. For taking the life of a friend to obtain power, that same power is formed from the death of someone. Perhaps the age difference between the friend and the killer, is the length of life the Uchiha has and addition with the power of the Mangekyou Sharingan. Once the power of the Mangekyou Sharingan runs out, or the time limit of life has been met, the Uchiha dies.

Let's say Madara killed a friend a year younger (or older) than he was, he has a year of life left. What if Madara's brother killed someone that was 3 years younger, that means he has a 3 years of life left.

While the Mangekyou Sharingan is unused, the time remain steady, while in use, the time is sped up drastically. While Madara's brother still had a bit of time left, Madara had only moments due to his short time frame and rapid use of the Mangekyou Sharingan. Once he obtained his brother's eyes, the whole rule changed.

Madara's remaining life + his brother's remaining life + the life of his friend before dying + the life of his brother's friend before dying = the life Madara has with the addition of a Mangekyou Sharingan that draws upon the life remaining.

So, Itachi killed someone not so close to his age range, But still, with his rapid usage of the Mangekyou Sharingan, his time was sped up drastically. From the day the eyes of the Mangekyou are awaken, the time clicks, with futher use of the Mangekyou Sharingan, the time clicks ever so rapidly.

Itachi's time was probably already short, and his usage from the Mangekyou Sharingan, just sped up his time.

Of course I don't think it is something exactly like that, but I have a feeling the Mangekyou Sharingan has the ultimate draw back. Maybe Madara's time is running short, who knows?

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uchihamadara

you theory has holes in it. madara took his brother's eyes that doesn't mean he killed him. another fact is that madara and his brother were close in age so even if he did obtain his brother's remaining years he would have still been dead, too much time has passed for him to still be alive any other way.it is how he said it the emks gives you a new eye technique and allows you to live a long life thats it until we know something else.

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Yeah I was afraid that it would be misunderstood. I typed it kind of confusing. I'm saying that with the taking of his brother's eyes, he gained the remaining life of his brother without the curse the Mangekyou Sharingan brought (accordingy to the Theory). So Basically, he gained his brother's entire lifespan added to his own, without the curse of the Mangekyou Sharingan. SO he would be living two complete lifespans in itself.

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uchihamadara

that would make more sense, but i still feel that we are missing something vital about why madara wants sasuke. i still think it has to do with that statue that pein can summon.

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Actually, I just think Itachi simply couldn't handle his 3 technique having MS anymore. At first I thought Madara may have done something, maybe fought Itachi, but then, where was Kisame? And why would Akatsuki's funny, dumb member, attack one of their strongest members, infront of Kisame? Doesn't make sense. We all know Itachi wasn't at 100%, but I don't think he was that far off, since he managed to spam MS four times. Itachi's lack of dodging made it obvious he was a bit weaker than before, but the fact that he spammed MS four times also says he may have been weaker, but it wasn't by very much.

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