Ami-san

Jiraiya would slap the living hell out of Orochimaru.

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Torn2Shredz

Swamp of the underworld isn't as great as you are making it out to be. It's useless against regular sized oponents that can move quickly. It's also uselss in close quarters combat. And who says that Orochimaru couldn't just walk on it as if it were water? I suspect that it's only good against larger creatures.

As for Edo Tensi, fine, forget the Hokages, use Deidera and Kazkus. One knick and the fights over.

Another point, how was Tsunade rusty yet she had new jutsus?

Another thing, if Orochimaru was able to bite Jariha's neck again the fight would be over. Seeing as he could vomit the blade of Kusonagi right into the sie of his neck.

All i'm saying is that the fight would most likely end up a tie or one or the other capitalizes on a screw up and that side wins. It's just too close to call. Much like the fight between Pain and Jariha, he let his gaurd down briefly and Pain capitalized.

MikeyM1979

Are you implying that Orochimaru is fast enough to avoid Swamp of the Underworld? Because, you know, SotU is instant. Have you seen how fast it gets it's victims? Show me where Orochimaru has ever shown any kind of speed that would allow him to avoid SotU.

Erm, Jiraiya's main style is using ninjutsu, and so is Orochimaru's style. And Oro tends to keep a good distance between him and his opponent. So no worries there.

Because it's a swamp? Not regular water? If it were, then the snake that was nearly sunk wouldn't have been in trouble.

It's even better against regular sized ninjas also, since we saw how large a handicapped Jiraiya can make it. A large swamp from a healthy Jiraiya would be the end of someone like Orochimaru.

Again, where the hell did Orochimaru get Deidara's DNA from? He was blown up. There was nothing left of him. And Kakuzu's body was in Konoha, with Tsunade. Come on now, just stop with the nonsense.

She was rusty in the fight. Meaning she hadn't fought in a good long time. She was busy getting drunk and gambling. I never said she hadn't developed any new jutsus.

When have we ever seen Orochimaru ever use a tactic like that? He doesn't use his sword like that. Quit making things up.

I won't comment on the Pain fight. However, nothing you've said so far has really proven that Orochimaru would beat Jiraiya. Especially not the things you've made up in this topic. =\

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Namikaze85

Mikey you still arguing this we all know jiraiya would rape oro in an instant why even use swamp of the underworld lmfaooo just FROG STOMACH that's all the only ninja to ever break it was itachi why because he had amaterasu does orochiamru have amaterasu no.

Besides i remember a thread long ago like a month ago i saw it it was made a while back though way before i came and it's like"the strongest saniin or something" jiraiya has like in the 100's oro's is like 50's lmfaooo.

MikeyM1979

I can't help it. =\ He's kind of making things up here, so....yeah. Can't help it.

Your turn.

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Namikaze85

Nah i won't waste arguing a point less debate you shouldn't either.

Torn2Shredz

Well Mike, we'll have to agree to disagree on the swamp.

As for getting the DNA of Deidera and Kazkus, remember that Orochimaru was part of Akatsuki. I don't think that it would have been difficult to have gotten a few hairs from either one (follicles intact, for you bio people, of which I was one).

As for Tsunade we don't know enought about her history to know if she was rusty or not.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/295/14-15/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/166/12/
I spent 4 minutes to find these two prints. Enjoy them Mike. I don't make things up.

MikeyM1979

Was it this one?

http://forums.narutocentral.com/show...rongest+sannin

Talk about a landslide win.

Aww, BOOOO!!! *hits Nami over the head with an empty beer bottle*

I could always make this more interesting by arguing for Orochimaru. But, I'd have limited material to work with, and well, while I am a fan of Orochimaru in general, I don't feel right defending him against someone like Jiraiya, when I know Jiraiyia is superior. =\

That's fine. Though, I really don't see how you can disagree, when you really open your eyes and think about it. *shrug*

Oh. So then, Orochimaru magically knows the exact locations of where Deidara blew up, and where Kakashi finished Kakuzu off? Dude, stop with giving Orochimaru these magical advantages.

*facepalm*

You're showing me that Orochimaru can extend his limbs. Why are you showing me obvious things? Did I argue against that? If this is related to the tactic you mentioned, yes, it is made up. Again, when has Orochimaru shown to bite someone, and shove his sword down their throats? Never. If this is you trying to imply that Oro can just extend his way out of SotU, then, no. I fail to see how Oro can go any further than that, when a SotU from a healthy Jiraiya should be much larger.

Edit: And yeah, you do make things up. That much was crystal clear the second you brought Edo Tensei into the mix, and having Oro summon the Kages, along with Deidara and Kakuzu, then implying that Oro is fast enough to avoid SotU. MADE UP KTHXBYE.

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Namikaze85

Even though i said i wouldn't i must lmfaooo.

Deidara wasn't in akatsuki back then he is a new member and itachi almost killed oro for trying to take over him what do you think a guy with 5 hearts would do to a loser like oro if he tried anything stupid he would be dead why do you think he fled akatsuki because he failed against itachi and ran from fear of them killing him. kthxbaiiiiiiii

Nice panels you show us an oro who uses his fuking head to fail against naruto then you show us a panel of a 30% jiraiya were needle guardian didn't even work properly very nice hey how about you spend the rest of your time re reading the manga how cool would that be huh

And mikey doesn't have to agree with shit hell swamp is instant by the time oro finishes any seals he will be doing them under the swamp and die.

Or perhaps you forgot the part were jiraiya uses Toad stomach and kills oro last i checked he doesn't have amaterasu.

But oh wait i am sure he happened to snag a piece of itachi's dna and develop it right


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liondemon

I cant believe u said that she was rusty. If that's not the biggest excuse for a shinobi. If that's the case then all the Sannin were rusty except Orochumaru because Orochumaru is still learning and perfecting new jutsu. And if u think that rusty is a legitimate excuse then that would prove my point that by Orochumaru's constant experiments with jutsu, and I'm sure practicing to prefect them, he would still be better than Jiraiya and Tsunade. They're both a little "rusty".


Orocumaru could probably slither over the swamp at a fast speed like we have seen him do on ground. He moves at a much faster rate than a large snake. Even if Orochumaru sank in Jiraiya's swamp, he could just extend his neck as far as he pleased outside of Jiraiya's swamp and vomited himself.

Forget Deidara's DNA. THe 4th was in the demon god's belly and he was about to bring his soul back from the demon god's belly. Who knows what other powerfull ninja's DNA Orochumaru may have. DNA is in the blood. All he has to do is fight someone and get their blood on him or let a snake bite them. He could easily have the former Kasegae's DNA. And eventhough Jiraiya may be better than anybody Orochumaru can summon in a 1 on 1 fight, he wont be so luc with a 3 or more on 1 fight, and Orochumaru. Kabuto keeps a scroll of dead bodies sealed up. It isnt unlikely 4 Orochumaru to have his own. He may even keep tags with him at all time in case he needs or wants to use them. It really doesnt take very much time. Not any or much more time than some of the other jutu's we have seen used in this Manga. Sasuke's Kirin, Gaara's transformation, Naruto's transformation from 1 to four tails.


Do we have to see Orochumaru poke his sword directly into someone's neck to assume that he might do it. He does like to bite people on the neck and he does like to use his sword. Why not?

I will comment on the Pain fight. Jiraiya got hardly anywhere with his own justu, and he defeated those 3 bodies with a jutsu that wasnt even his own. Ma and Pa defeated Pein's three bodies. Jiraiya is my man. I'm not an Orochumaru fanboy. I hate how Orochumaru will quickly run away to avoid more trouble instead of showing guts and fighting it out as Jiraiya would and did. It's just common sense if u consider that Orochumaru left Konoha the strongest Sannin and for at least 20 years straight kept working on NEW ninjutsu while Tsunade and Jiraiya got "RUSTY".

Please, no more Jiraiya little fanboys and girls voting in the poll. Seriously though, I want a decision based on the facts of the manga. I'm not interested on who u like better between the 2, and that's seems to be what I'm getting.

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Namikaze85

Lion demon you failll end of story
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Oro failed in that thread miserbaly and he is failing here too he is a failure.

Jiraiya uses frog stomach and oro is gone it's funny how you use edo tensei when we know you need prep time for that like big prep time and no giving oro prep time to make your side of the argument stronger is lame you fail oro fails.

Torn2Shredz

I'm just saying that he has two abilities that when put together can be very deadly. The ability to extend his neck to bite someone and the ability to stab them via a sword produced from his throat would be quite a deadly attack.

Also, DNA isn't as hard to come by as you might think. (He could have collected some premordem, therefore he wouldn't have had to have known where they died) (And did you ever notice that he was about to ressurect the 4th, yet the fourth used the same jutsu that Sarotobi did to seal the kyubi in Naruto)

And as for the idea that he couldn't control his ressurections. I remind you that he ressurected the 1st hokage, the one that beat Madara.

Again, toad stomach most likely can only be used in an enclosed area, otherwise it would be too easy to spot and avoid.

Wether you agree with me or not makes little difference to the facts at hand.

Namikaze85

Needle guardian at 100% jiraiya can take care of that bite. zzzzzzz

Very nice however you need prep time for edo tensei PREP TIME PREP TIME PREP TIME get it yet there is no giving oro prep time to make your side of the argument stronger you faill faill faill and 10 posts from now you'll still be failing. zzz

This verse same as the first no prept time prep time prep time no prep time see i was right you are still failing....

Um no sorry that's not how the jutsu works jiraiya use the jutsu then you and the user are encased in the mouth of the toad and about to get eaten the enemy that is.. jiraiy already used toda stmoach outside when in the rain country and also could digusie it you also have no proof to say it could only be used indoors lmfaooo gtfo with that bullshit..

yeah facts still say oro is a failure kind like this post

kthxbaiii.

Torn2Shredz

I agree with LionDemon, just because you like Jaraiya more doesn't necessitate that he is superior to Orochimaru.

I still believe with the facts at hand that it's still too close to call.