Anime insults Islam. - Page 3

sasuke_power · 05-28-2008, 07:54 AM

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I wouldnt change a thing, its your own opinion and you should hold to it. As for the Mencia comment, read back I already stated that but props to you for advancing it further. Also as far as religion goes I think all religions just suck. Too many rules to live by and to many things that if you dont do your screwed, Islam is no exception to that. I do not agree with how they treat women and I do not agree with many of the basic principles by which they guide their existance in this life. But as far as Im concerned I hate everyone equally unless you've made an impression on me and made me think you were actually worth my time to talk to.

=D ^^^

@This story- Wow how pathetic can people be seriously now come on here. This is the same type of shitty logic thats used for "debates" on things such as "video games leads kids to become murderers".

Seriously people (them) are missing the point, the point is, is because of shitty living conditions and numerous other problems in these regions, from what im reading here, these islamic people are just looking for excuses on explaining why they are living in such conditions and this is a way to put blame on what can cause or spark more of said conditions and "make things worse".
How stupid does that sound? seriously if a country and its people have a problem due to the economy etc, its more likely no more fault than the countries own government and people (who choose which countries and problems they associate with) which means if terrorists appear in ones own country, thats due to radical thinking of a group of people within there own country and is no more fault than only the terrorists themselves.
Seriously the show is just an anime, and an ANIME isnt gonna start a WAR or MASSIVE KILLING or any of that crap. Cartoons dont start wars PEOPLE do, there need's to be one or two factors from both sides of people warring for thus to happen, and a cartoon doesnt start this, the people who decide to fight amongst themselves start it. The same shit applies for terrorist's, terrorists in ANY country spawn because of RADICAL THINKING on their own behalves.

Seriously, Logic does not seem to be evident nowadays with some people now does it.
"It goes against or is insulting our religion" no its not, its a damn cartoon and was made for the point of producing MONEY, not to insult your "religion".

Theres no reason to argue this, as miburo told me once this is just another one of those things were you have one side of ignorant people arguing against logic.

kenneth20748 · 05-29-2008, 09:06 AM

I am ashamed on the behalf of religion because of this. If I got worked up every time I saw video or movies of a villain looking at the bible, I'd be on my death bed due to stress... 7 years ago.This is ridiculous. Someone said this before, but how come it's impossible for "not good" people to read Holy Texts such as the Quran? How do you think terrorists who are Muslim developed their beliefs? Caz they read the Quran. You can't deny that fact caz if you did, then you would give no credit for the REAL terrorists that are in the Middle East and other parts of the world. If the suicide bombers didn't think that committing suicide was a glorious thing under their god Allah, do you seriously think they would be doing that? Hell no, they'll be like their virgins our what ever can wait another day and Allah will just have to be praised some other way. These Muslims who use their religion to call the shots and undermine things like anime or journalism are no good.

Shikamaru2007 · 05-29-2008, 01:52 PM

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How do you think terrorists who are Muslim developed their beliefs? Caz they read the Quran

You screwed hard here ... Do u know what Quran is .... I'm a Muslim , and I see that Quran is the Best and Greatet Book on earth and will ever be .... Did U read the Quran ?
terrorism has no Religon , there are christian , jewish and muslim terrorists .... It deals with individuals not religons ... so , plz .... don't be harsh on islam and don't insult Quran ever again

kenneth20748 · 05-29-2008, 07:34 PM

Look, I never insulted or had intentions to insult the Ouran. You or anyone else on God's green earth can not deny the fact that only good law abiding Muslims read the Quran. If you are saying that then you have to look at the world one more time. If we can acknowledge that fact then we can move on. Terrorism doesn't have a religion we know, many people of different religious beliefs can be terrorists from Satanic to Atheists and yes Muslim. They are not called "extremists" for shits and giggles. They take the Quran out of context and twist the words inside to make their actions plausible to not only your god, Allah, and his or her people that they deal with.

I think you took my words from their original meaning. I wanna clear any confusion so we can be on the same page caz we are on the same side on the issue that this is not cool.

Terrorists is just people for we know not of their religion. That is why I made that word specific to terrorist who are Muslim, extremists is another word you can call them. They have to have a reason they believe their "version" of the Quran is the right one which is incorrect of the status quo of MOST Muslims. This is why they are called extremist because others who practice this religion believes that they are practicing an "extreme" version of the faith.

I'm not going to front an act like I know the requirements on become a Muslim but I take it that one has to read the Quran in order to call oneself apart of the Muslim faith. Like your bin Ladens in the world, can you say they are not Muslim because they don't practice it to the letter exactly like you would or somebody else half way across the world? So yes, the people who made that comment about villains reading the Quran, tell them to go look at a news channel. To believe that all Muslims are good hearted people is absurd. And I don't feel bad for anything I said either.

And no I never opened up the Quran, but I actually talked to a christian who was converted from Muslim and he talked about the Quran with me. He studies both it and the Bible. A couple of my friends talked deeply about it and the difference of the many Muslims in the world, the ones we see on tv talking about jihads against the western world and other Muslims who doesn't take that extreme side. I have a mentor reads it everyday and drops knowledge about it to me. So I'm not completely dumb on the subject. I'm not going to say I know on it more than you though. But it's not about me or you, but people who USES the Quran for purposes that was meant for it to be used. Pushing an agenda to falsify how ALL Muslims are in the world is one of them and I think it is wrong plain and simple.

balmung5000 · 05-29-2008, 07:50 PM

seriously cry moar peopel
you gotta be kidding me
he held up a book and said kill someone
was he depicted as a villian before he picked up the book
im sure he was so it wasnt because he picked up the book
he ordered the killing
hes just evil

anyway people need to
quit crying over everything
its a damn cartoon
worry abotu more important stuff
like the high gas prices or somehing
usefull

ShinobiKnight · 05-29-2008, 10:09 PM

I'm gonna have to disagree with kenneth. While it is true that there are people who twist the words of the Quran to justify violent acts, there are people who do that with all sorts of texts, religious and nonreligious. It's not unique to Islams; it's just that most of the world's terroist problems lately have been from Muslims. To say all Muslims are peaceful and benevolent would be a lie; to say that all Muslims love violence and killing because murder is a core belief of Muslims would be an even bigger lie. Don't act as though Muslims are all or even mostly evil, or as though the Quran is the only text people have twisted to justify senseless violence.

That said, for some reason, there's a very low tolerance among Muslims in general for any non-Muslim beliefs. There are constant attacks against Christianity in almost every media outlet, yet you don't see news articles are huge numbers of Christians protesting any of this. They get angry, sure, maybe they avoid particularly anti-Christian outlets, sure, but never once has any stranger been declared an enemy of Christianity for insulting it (directly of indirectly), and if anyone ever was, I'd stomp the shit out of whoever declared them so.
Many Muslims, however, seem to be unable to stand the fact that there are people who, God forbid, aren't Muslim! Those people need to learn tolerance. Don't get me wrong; I'm all for freedom of religion. But when someone creates problems and disturbs everyone else because of religion, I put my foot down. If you don't do that, I could go so far as to say I'm glad you have something you believe in and stand for. Just remember that other people have beliefs they stand for, too.

And also, this "insult to Islam" was so riddiculously indirect that I'm amazed that so many people are acting as though they flat-out said "Islam is evil". If you have a problem with people sterotyping Islam in that way, live your life in a way that demolishes that stereotype, and everyone who knows you will see that it's false.

kenneth20748 · 05-29-2008, 10:22 PM

Let me counter your quote with one of my own...

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Originally Posted by kenneth20748

Terrorism doesn't have a religion we know, many people of different religious beliefs can be terrorists from Satanic to Atheists and yes Muslim. They are not called "extremists" for shits and giggles.

Terrorists is just people for we know not of their religion. That is why I made that word specific to terrorist who are Muslim, extremists is another word you can call them. They have to have a reason they believe their "version" of the Quran is the right one which is incorrect of the status quo of MOST Muslims. This is why they are called extremist because others who practice this religion believes that they are practicing an "extreme" version of the faith.

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I'm gonna have to disagree with kenneth. While it is true that there are people who twist the words of the Quran to justify violent acts, there are people who do that with all sorts of texts, religious and nonreligious. Don't act as though Muslims are all or even mostly evil, or as though the Quran is the only text people have twisted to justify senseless violence.

Look at my bold text and compare with yours. We agree and acknowledged that the extremists are not the majority, but the minority. And yes, people used Christianity for their own gains which was called the Crusades among many other stuff. Every religion is at fault and has SOME corruption INCLUDING Christianity and Islam.

kluang · 05-30-2008, 08:03 AM

For the last time, Islam is not terrorist or evil. The one practicing it is. Maybe some are just overreacting and all. Most religion has its own problems with its believer. Don't dis the Quran. Rea dit first.

And I'm a Muslim

kenneth20748 · 05-30-2008, 09:50 AM

I quit, clearly people on here can't read what I write. I still believe what I said, and Islam is not a terrorist religion, it's just that terrorists practice it. Now I'm done.

OniKage · 05-30-2008, 10:44 AM

and one more thing... it is only one anime that insults islam. Now do all others have the same thought? "anime" focuses on a general group, which is not right. Only some do it, so other anime must not be blamed...

Introspection · 05-30-2008, 01:57 PM

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One more life lesson here;
It's about perspective, put yourself in their position. Ask how would they react, etc. and unless someone is violating your human rights, you can't attack theirs. And seriously, make better use of your time than complaining about little things, if your physical being is just fine, build a bird house or something, jeez. You'll live a happier life that way.

The point regarding the original issue here. People have too much time on their hands now.

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There a few bottom lines that people should take from this. If they have a problem with Islam being associating with terrorism, than they should do something about the Islamic terrorist. Since, well, the Islamic fundamentalist terrorist ARE ISLAMIC! Somebody is always going to be insulted by something, the key here is to learn to get a sense of humor. Unless its directly bashing you, get over it. Watch Carlos Mencia, that show efficiently portrays the way people should view offensive material, especially those with humorous backgrounds.

And I am against Islams, the religion, not the people and pro reason. You see, to a fundamentalist Islam the Quran, must be followed, and it states anyone who is not one, must die. I've looked it up, its there, those people suck that religion sucks. But reason at least makes those who do realize how much bull shit that is, to not go along with it. Point being, its because of reason not Islam that makes some people good. Good people, not good Islams. Fuck Islam.

If I have to change some stuff- okay, but this is a little emotional for me.

It's true the Quran pretty clearly states to kill other who don't believe.

ANNOUNCE PAINFUL PUNISHMENT TO THOSE WHO DISBELIEVE (9:3)
Surely the vilest of animals in Allah's sight are those who disbelieve (8:55)
FIGHT THEM: ALLAH WILL PUNISH THEM BY YOUR HANDS AND BRING THEM TO DISGRACE, AND ASSIST YOU AGAINST THEM. (9:14)
FIGHT THOSE WHO DO NOT BELIEVE IN ALLAH, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, NOR FOLLOW THE RELIGION OF TRUTH, OUT OF THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN GIVEN THE BOOK [Christians and Jews], until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and THEY ARE IN A STATE OF SUBJECTION. (9:29)

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There are others too but these are just a few of the quotes.

Now I really don't think I have to do this, but I'll clear this up.
Not all terrorists are Islamic. I have Islamic friends. My dad is from Iran. Not terrorists.
But! A fundamentalist (those that take strict translation) would end up a terrorist. So a 'good' Islam would follow the Quran word for word. Right? Well common sense should be saying no, because you don't just kill someone who doesn't believe the same as you. Which leads you to assume that it should be translated into your own way- a way which doesn't invlove the endless crusade to murder infidels, but you can still take what good ethics the Quran has to offer. Which common sense would dictate you shouldn't call yourself Islamic. But a human being who is just taking in life as they see it, hopefully with more reason than a theological fanatic.

hakushiro · 05-30-2008, 02:16 PM

^Hmn.

You have a point, but at the same time you miss some.

Although you are right that the Qu'ran declares that the non-believers be fought, it doesn't say that they have to be killed. Even if a "fundamentalist" were to practice it "word for word", he wouldn't turn out to be a terrorist. Unless he's an extremist.

Plus, generalizing all muslims as terrorists is wrong (not you). These people were just unfortunate enough to be living in an unfriendly environment (biologically) and they have enough hardships with everyday life (really hot days, cold freezing nights). They don't need a political super power sitting on their hands. That's why they revolt. I'm not saying their method is right, either, no. I'm saying both sides aren't right (i.e. not necessarily wrong).

But putting all those people in a bag and then labeling them is definitely wrong. It doesn't help being a bigot, either. I have muslim friends (heck, even my sister's boyfriend is a muslim) and they say bigotry is the biggest obstacle they face, aside from being stereotyped.

Kudos to Shikamaru. Terrorism has no religion. Terrorism is not a issue that springs from religion. If aethists were in the very same position that those "terrorists" are sitting on, they'd turn into terrorists themselves. Better terrorists (or worse, whichever) than muslims, in fact. No "rules" and schedules to fulfill, no 3:00 pauses to pray.

Terrorism is a socio-political issue. Chaining it to religion is pure narrow-mindedness.

@ Kenneth: You sure you made that Yorouichi sig in Paint? If so, then damn, you're good.

Introspection · 05-30-2008, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by hakushiro

^Hmn.

You have a point, but at the same time you miss some.

Although you are right that the Qu'ran declares that the non-believers be fought, it doesn't say that they have to be killed. Even if a "fundamentalist" were to practice it "word for word", he wouldn't turn out to be a terrorist. Unless he's an extremist.

Maybe I should have got a different quote. But make no mistake they mean kill. It is extreme, but not extremism, it is on the other hand; fundamentalism and was expected of all Muslims back in the day to enforce and to an extent, in certain places, still today as well.

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Plus, generalizing all muslims as terrorists is wrong (not you).

Alright, because for the sake of it being known, I know that terrorists are everwhere and believe all sorts of things. That is common knowledge. I guess for arguments sake I can see why people think differently due to mass media. But someone in America, some Atheist goth, committing a school shooting is considered a terrorist.

In fact here is the defination so this can be put to rest. Obviously a terrorist is defined by one who commits terrorism but here is terrorism.
Terrorism - The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.

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These people were just unfortunate enough to be living in an unfriendly environment (biologically) and they have enough hardships with everyday life (really hot days, cold freezing nights). They don't need a political super power sitting on their hands. That's why they revolt. I'm not saying their method is right, either, no. I'm saying both sides aren't right (i.e. not necessarily wrong).

Where did this come from?

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But putting all those people in a bag and then labeling them is definitely wrong. It doesn't help being a bigot, either. I have muslim friends (heck, even my sister's boyfriend is a muslim) and they say bigotry is the biggest obstacle they face, aside from being stereotyped.

But I don't think anyone ever said; "All terrorist are Islam!", or "All Islams are terrorists!" That is fallacious. Ad Hoc I believe.

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Kudos to Shikamaru. Terrorism has no religion. Terrorism is not a issue that springs from religion. If aethists were in the very same position that those "terrorists" are sitting on, they'd turn into terrorists themselves. Better terrorists that muslims, in fact. No "rules" and schedules to fulfill, no 3:00 pause to pray.

There may be a reason, but as Benjamin Franklin would say. Such criminal acts are seldom with a good one[reason]. You can't justify terrorism. Period. And that whole paragraph is fallacious.

05-30-2008, 03:22 PM

^I like this guy.

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Originally Posted by hakushiro

Although you are right that the Qu'ran declares that the non-believers be fought, it doesn't say that they have to be killed. Even if a "fundamentalist" were to practice it "word for word", he wouldn't turn out to be a terrorist. Unless he's an extremist.

Combating people in any way because they don't believe in the same magic you do is pretty ridiculous and dickish no matter how you try and smear it.

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Plus, generalizing all muslims as terrorists is wrong (not you). These people were just unfortunate enough to be living in an unfriendly environment (biologically) and they have enough hardships with everyday life (really hot days, cold freezing nights). They don't need a political super power sitting on their hands. That's why they revolt. I'm not saying their method is right, either, no. I'm saying both sides aren't right (i.e. not necessarily wrong).

No, there is no justification what-so-ever for killing innocent people because you're pissed off about something. Don't pull this apologist crap, it's silly.

And I don't recall anyone worth taking seriously saying that "ALL MUSLIMS ARE EVIL TERRORISTS, LOL!" so you can guys can drop that shit too. You can't deny that the religion does say some pretty retarded shit about how to deal with non-believers (Fight them! HURR HURR!). And I've heard that "The Quran contains no errors and is flawless, unlike the Bible and other religious texts" by many practitioners of Islam in my dealings with them. So even if it doesn't mean "kill teh infidels," I can see how people would get the wrong idea...

Also, at someone a couple posts up, that animu wasn't even insulting Islam in the first place. People are getting butthurt over nothing. Pay attention. : )

Ryuzaki · 05-31-2008, 02:49 AM

Frankly, as a practicing Muslim, I feel offended that they would depict Islam in such a manner. I read through the article and one aspect that I do not agree with is that the book one of the characters picks up is the Qu'ran (a holy text dear to most practicing Muslims, analogously to the Bible/Torah), while he orders the execution of several people. Now that generally only applies to Islam, however, they could have easily substituted the book with any other religious text and the outcry would have been pretty much the same, but from a different set of people.

Most religions of the world practice peace and stability for all that follow it. In this anime example we have here, we see a negative connotation developing between a villain who picks up a Qu'ran. Now in the average audiences mind, whether they like to believe it or not, this really has a profound impact because they will automatically associate evil with whatever is Islam. Why? It's just how the dynamics of a story work. Most people side with the protagonists and exemplify traits the protagonists holds dear to him, while demeaning and belittling anything the antagonists accomplishes or exemplifies.

Hence why you shouldn't really develop such bad connotations, nowadays the stereotype is much more prevalent in the media but doesn't really reflect the average Muslim within nearly any society. Obviously, there are extremists who exist but they tend to use the religion more as a scapegoat while interpreting a very literal and dogmatic approach to the principles and ethics of life that are taught within that specific religion.

At the same time, this effects children/young adults who have not learned or developed the understanding of how the world really works. I feel that it was right for them to cancel the show. Children are easily susceptible to certain concepts as truths at an early age.

05-29-2008, 09:06 AM	#32
kenneth20748 Chuunin Join Date: May 2007 Age: 25 Posts: 528 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Anime insults Islam. I am ashamed on the behalf of religion because of this. If I got worked up every time I saw video or movies of a villain looking at the bible, I'd be on my death bed due to stress... 7 years ago.This is ridiculous. Someone said this before, but how come it's impossible for "not good" people to read Holy Texts such as the Quran? How do you think terrorists who are Muslim developed their beliefs? Caz they read the Quran. You can't deny that fact caz if you did, then you would give no credit for the REAL terrorists that are in the Middle East and other parts of the world. If the suicide bombers didn't think that committing suicide was a glorious thing under their god Allah, do you seriously think they would be doing that? Hell no, they'll be like their virgins our what ever can wait another day and Allah will just have to be praised some other way. These Muslims who use their religion to call the shots and undermine things like anime or journalism are no good. __________________ Finally, a YuGiOh card that accurately describes some of the battles in Naruto

05-29-2008, 07:34 PM	#34
kenneth20748 Chuunin Join Date: May 2007 Age: 25 Posts: 528 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Anime insults Islam. Look, I never insulted or had intentions to insult the Ouran. You or anyone else on God's green earth can not deny the fact that only good law abiding Muslims read the Quran. If you are saying that then you have to look at the world one more time. If we can acknowledge that fact then we can move on. Terrorism doesn't have a religion we know, many people of different religious beliefs can be terrorists from Satanic to Atheists and yes Muslim. They are not called "extremists" for shits and giggles. They take the Quran out of context and twist the words inside to make their actions plausible to not only your god, Allah, and his or her people that they deal with. I think you took my words from their original meaning. I wanna clear any confusion so we can be on the same page caz we are on the same side on the issue that this is not cool. Terrorists is just people for we know not of their religion. That is why I made that word specific to terrorist who are Muslim, extremists is another word you can call them. They have to have a reason they believe their "version" of the Quran is the right one which is incorrect of the status quo of MOST Muslims. This is why they are called extremist because others who practice this religion believes that they are practicing an "extreme" version of the faith. I'm not going to front an act like I know the requirements on become a Muslim but I take it that one has to read the Quran in order to call oneself apart of the Muslim faith. Like your bin Ladens in the world, can you say they are not Muslim because they don't practice it to the letter exactly like you would or somebody else half way across the world? So yes, the people who made that comment about villains reading the Quran, tell them to go look at a news channel. To believe that all Muslims are good hearted people is absurd. And I don't feel bad for anything I said either. And no I never opened up the Quran, but I actually talked to a christian who was converted from Muslim and he talked about the Quran with me. He studies both it and the Bible. A couple of my friends talked deeply about it and the difference of the many Muslims in the world, the ones we see on tv talking about jihads against the western world and other Muslims who doesn't take that extreme side. I have a mentor reads it everyday and drops knowledge about it to me. So I'm not completely dumb on the subject. I'm not going to say I know on it more than you though. But it's not about me or you, but people who USES the Quran for purposes that was meant for it to be used. Pushing an agenda to falsify how ALL Muslims are in the world is one of them and I think it is wrong plain and simple. __________________ Finally, a YuGiOh card that accurately describes some of the battles in Naruto

05-29-2008, 07:50 PM	#35
balmung5000 cpas Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 2,123 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4,878 Times in 1,982 Posts	Re: Anime insults Islam. seriously cry moar peopel you gotta be kidding me he held up a book and said kill someone was he depicted as a villian before he picked up the book im sure he was so it wasnt because he picked up the book he ordered the killing hes just evil anyway people need to quit crying over everything its a damn cartoon worry abotu more important stuff like the high gas prices or somehing usefull

05-29-2008, 10:09 PM	#36
ShinobiKnight Silberner Held Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Andorra Age: 20 Posts: 1,914 Thanks: 473 Thanked 84 Times in 56 Posts	Re: Anime insults Islam. I'm gonna have to disagree with kenneth. While it is true that there are people who twist the words of the Quran to justify violent acts, there are people who do that with all sorts of texts, religious and nonreligious. It's not unique to Islams; it's just that most of the world's terroist problems lately have been from Muslims. To say all Muslims are peaceful and benevolent would be a lie; to say that all Muslims love violence and killing because murder is a core belief of Muslims would be an even bigger lie. Don't act as though Muslims are all or even mostly evil, or as though the Quran is the only text people have twisted to justify senseless violence. That said, for some reason, there's a very low tolerance among Muslims in general for any non-Muslim beliefs. There are constant attacks against Christianity in almost every media outlet, yet you don't see news articles are huge numbers of Christians protesting any of this. They get angry, sure, maybe they avoid particularly anti-Christian outlets, sure, but never once has any stranger been declared an enemy of Christianity for insulting it (directly of indirectly), and if anyone ever was, I'd stomp the shit out of whoever declared them so. Many Muslims, however, seem to be unable to stand the fact that there are people who, God forbid, aren't Muslim! Those people need to learn tolerance. Don't get me wrong; I'm all for freedom of religion. But when someone creates problems and disturbs everyone else because of religion, I put my foot down. If you don't do that, I could go so far as to say I'm glad you have something you believe in and stand for. Just remember that other people have beliefs they stand for, too. And also, this "insult to Islam" was so riddiculously indirect that I'm amazed that so many people are acting as though they flat-out said "Islam is evil". If you have a problem with people sterotyping Islam in that way, live your life in a way that demolishes that stereotype, and everyone who knows you will see that it's false. __________________

05-30-2008, 08:03 AM	#38
kluang One Punch Man Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 6,426 Thanks: 3,199 Thanked 4,697 Times in 2,110 Posts	Re: Anime insults Islam. For the last time, Islam is not terrorist or evil. The one practicing it is. Maybe some are just overreacting and all. Most religion has its own problems with its believer. Don't dis the Quran. Rea dit first. And I'm a Muslim __________________ To err is human, to forgive, divine. Humans aren't machines... they have souls, feelings. They live, they die, they love, they hate... And yes, they even make mistakes..... When kluang finds you creepy and wrong then you are beyond horrible. He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you. Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe. Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? Being Malaysian is about driving in a German car to an Indian restaurant for an Indonesian food, then travelling home, grabbing a Pakistani kebab on the way, to sit on Swedish furniture and watch American shows on a Japanese TV. Because we have no originality.

05-30-2008, 09:50 AM	#39
kenneth20748 Chuunin Join Date: May 2007 Age: 25 Posts: 528 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Anime insults Islam. I quit, clearly people on here can't read what I write. I still believe what I said, and Islam is not a terrorist religion, it's just that terrorists practice it. Now I'm done. __________________ Finally, a YuGiOh card that accurately describes some of the battles in Naruto

05-30-2008, 10:44 AM	#40
OniKage Shadow Demon Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: In front of a computer Age: 20 Posts: 592 Thanks: 1 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Anime insults Islam. and one more thing... it is only one anime that insults islam. Now do all others have the same thought? "anime" focuses on a general group, which is not right. Only some do it, so other anime must not be blamed... __________________ I'm with the:

05-30-2008, 02:16 PM	#42
hakushiro FUBAR Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: At the center of your universe. Age: 26 Posts: 1,295 Thanks: 10 Thanked 71 Times in 64 Posts	Re: Anime insults Islam. ^Hmn. You have a point, but at the same time you miss some. Although you are right that the Qu'ran declares that the non-believers be fought, it doesn't say that they have to be killed. Even if a "fundamentalist" were to practice it "word for word", he wouldn't turn out to be a terrorist. Unless he's an extremist. Plus, generalizing all muslims as terrorists is wrong (not you). These people were just unfortunate enough to be living in an unfriendly environment (biologically) and they have enough hardships with everyday life (really hot days, cold freezing nights). They don't need a political super power sitting on their hands. That's why they revolt. I'm not saying their method is right, either, no. I'm saying both sides aren't right (i.e. not necessarily wrong). But putting all those people in a bag and then labeling them is definitely wrong. It doesn't help being a bigot, either. I have muslim friends (heck, even my sister's boyfriend is a muslim) and they say bigotry is the biggest obstacle they face, aside from being stereotyped. Kudos to Shikamaru. Terrorism has no religion. Terrorism is not a issue that springs from religion. If aethists were in the very same position that those "terrorists" are sitting on, they'd turn into terrorists themselves. Better terrorists (or worse, whichever) than muslims, in fact. No "rules" and schedules to fulfill, no 3:00 pauses to pray. Terrorism is a socio-political issue. Chaining it to religion is pure narrow-mindedness. @ Kenneth: You sure you made that Yorouichi sig in Paint? If so, then damn, you're good. __________________ The march of the human mind is... painfully slow. Last edited by hakushiro; 05-30-2008 at 02:36 PM.

05-31-2008, 02:49 AM	#45
Ryuzaki Academy Student Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: New York, NY Age: 26 Posts: 21 Thanks: 3 Thanked 4 Times in 1 Post	Re: Anime insults Islam. Frankly, as a practicing Muslim, I feel offended that they would depict Islam in such a manner. I read through the article and one aspect that I do not agree with is that the book one of the characters picks up is the Qu'ran (a holy text dear to most practicing Muslims, analogously to the Bible/Torah), while he orders the execution of several people. Now that generally only applies to Islam, however, they could have easily substituted the book with any other religious text and the outcry would have been pretty much the same, but from a different set of people. Most religions of the world practice peace and stability for all that follow it. In this anime example we have here, we see a negative connotation developing between a villain who picks up a Qu'ran. Now in the average audiences mind, whether they like to believe it or not, this really has a profound impact because they will automatically associate evil with whatever is Islam. Why? It's just how the dynamics of a story work. Most people side with the protagonists and exemplify traits the protagonists holds dear to him, while demeaning and belittling anything the antagonists accomplishes or exemplifies. Hence why you shouldn't really develop such bad connotations, nowadays the stereotype is much more prevalent in the media but doesn't really reflect the average Muslim within nearly any society. Obviously, there are extremists who exist but they tend to use the religion more as a scapegoat while interpreting a very literal and dogmatic approach to the principles and ethics of life that are taught within that specific religion. At the same time, this effects children/young adults who have not learned or developed the understanding of how the world really works. I feel that it was right for them to cancel the show. Children are easily susceptible to certain concepts as truths at an early age. __________________ My Site: The Ninja Forums Last edited by Ryuzaki; 05-31-2008 at 02:59 AM. Reason: Few grammatical errors

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