Itachi v.s. Jiraya argument needs to come to an end

itachiisback · 05-25-2008, 07:04 AM

This argument needs to be put to rest.

Itachi the child prodigy, at a mere age of 11 years old destroyed Orochimaru with but a kunai and genjutsu. In fact, Itachi let the poor sucker live to tell the tale.
Itachi at 11 years old pawned Deidara. Itachi at 11 years of age was a member of Akatsuki. Itachi at the age of 11-13 threatened the elders of the village for the safety of Sasuke.

In fact Sandaime even says - " A shinobi that can take on Orochimaru does not exist in this village at this moment " - after this quote Itachi appears in Konoha. Clearly Sandaime was thinking of Itachi. Itachi >>>>>>>>>> Orochimaru. There is no doubt about this. If you deny this then you are ignorant and biased.

You say Itachi was not trying to kill Orochimaru while you can say the same the other way around. Itachi was playing Orochimaru like a fool. Itachi did not even kill him in the end.

Now, we've been through Itachi's character and background story. Clearly, his initial interest in coming to Konoha was to check on the safety of his younger brother and to warn the elders that he still lives to protect Sasuke.

Itachi never wanted any harm done to Konoha's nins. You should be able to see that Itachi is playing around with the elite jounin of konoha.

In fact, the only reason he even took out the MS was to show Kakashi the power of a true Uchiha - this shows pride not weakness. Itachi did not need to end the fight so quickly using MS... 2 - 3 moves of his ninjutsu or 1 move of his genjutsu would have done it, kakashi would have been dead. Another point, "Why didn't he kill me... he could have if he wanted to..." Itachi did NOT even kill Kakashi under tsukyomi.

And i even see people saying Kakashi and Itachi are on the same league. Bitch, please.
If Kakashi can't take Kakuzu 1 on 1 and is on par with Hidan than he has no chance in hell against Itachi who can potentially take both Kakuzu and Hidan together.

Now i am a fan but i am basing all this information on true manga facts, i am not biased. I am not saying that Itachi is the stronger or whatever. In fact, he admitted that if he had EMS he could defeat Madara. Therefore, we can say that the only thing dictating the power levels of Madara from Itachi is the EMS Madara has.

Now for the Jiraya debate.

NOw i ask you one question. ...

In a fight of Itachi against Orochimaru and Tsunade... who would win?
Being the prodigy and the destroyer of a whole clan of elite level ninja, Itachi with his unimaginable speed wins. Even the sharingan is unable to catch his speed, his jutsu speed included.

Itachi who pawns Orochimaru in 2 panels moves onto the weaker Tsunade. THis is no match. Itachi wins.

Now what's to say that he can't take on the whole sannin crew?
This is not a farfetched claim since many have been said to be able to do so.

Itachi was given the position of Minato, in fact the very throne Itachi was sitting on symbolized Minato's position in the fight against Kyuubi.
Itachi may very well be > = to Minato who is undoubtedly > Jiraya.

Itachi being the hero of Konoha would never harm the toad sannin who lives by the live of fire.

Itachi's whole life is a lie. I am willing to bet this was one of the many lies Itachi pulled with Kisame to get out of the situation and go somewhere peaceful and rest or w/e,,,

It's not something new that Itachi lies and mostly with Kisame. Kisame even questions why he has to avoid the fight. Kisame clearly knows what Itachi is capable of. In fact, i'm sure Itachi has kicked Kisame's ass at one time.

Itachi had no intention in capturing Naruto, he never did. He came, he saw, he conquered. Too bad, Gai was a second away from joining the Jiraya vs Itachi/Kisame duel. Who knows how many anbu were following GAI....

Itachi did the smart thing. He knew Kisame would not listen if he said anything else...

Itachi is > sannin.

THANK YOU

SharinganWarrior · 05-25-2008, 08:05 AM

Nahhh... Jiraiya was a far greater shinobi than Itachi was..

itachiisback · 05-25-2008, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by SharinganWarrior

Nahhh... Jiraiya was a far greater shinobi than Itachi was..

Well, then clearly you need to read the latest chapters in which it gives that Itachi has always been alive to protect Konoha and Sasuke.
There would be no reason for Itachi to even fight Jiraya who is all about the will of fire. Itachi has always been a liar, his whole life has been a lie, a genjutsu.

Itachi >>> Jiraya//

SharinganWarrior · 05-25-2008, 08:15 AM

Off course there hasnt been a reason for them to fight.. But still you made a thread sayin' Itachi would defeat Jiraiya in battle, if they had to fight..

Im just sayin'.. Nahhh.. Jiraiya was far greater shinobi than Itachi was..

itachiisback · 05-25-2008, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by SharinganWarrior

Off course there hasnt been a reason for them to fight.. But still you made a thread sayin' Itachi would defeat Jiraiya in battle, if they had to fight..

Im just sayin'.. Nahhh.. Jiraiya was far greater shinobi than Itachi was..

Provide reasons for your fallacious claim.

Don't just tell me this and that. Provide reasons why Jiraya is a greater shinobi than Itachi. In what terms?

If you have anything to back up your claim that is, i will happily refute your points - insignificant as they may be.

SharinganWarrior · 05-25-2008, 08:35 AM

All you've posted is Itachi accomplishments.. And those are surely impressive..

Itachi defeated Orochimaru with ease.. But as Orochimaru countless times has showed us, that he has a great weakness against gejutsu.. He fell right into it against Itachi and Sasuke.. He didnt learn.. Jiraiya has seen two of Itachi's MS jutsus, and I'll assume that he would be wise enough not to fall into Itachi's genjutsu..

Jiraiya speed and brute strenght is far greater than Itachi's, in hemit-mode (we saw that against Pain).. And the frog-genjutsu doesnt need eye contact, and seems to be just as powerful as Itachi's Tsukuyomi.. Im not even sure the frog-genjutsu can be heard..

Im pretty confident that Jiraiya would defeat Itachi..

itachiisback · 05-25-2008, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by SharinganWarrior

All you've posted is Itachi accomplishments.. And those are surely impressive..

Itachi defeated Orochimaru with ease.. But as Orochimaru countless times has showed us, that he has a great weakness against gejutsu.. He fell right into it against Itachi and Sasuke.. He didnt learn.. Jiraiya has seen two of Itachi's MS jutsus, and I'll assume that he would be wise enough not to fall into Itachi's genjutsu..

Jiraiya speed and brute strenght is far greater than Itachi's, in hemit-mode (we saw that against Pain).. And the frog-genjutsu doesnt need eye contact, and seems to be just as powerful as Itachi's Tsukuyomi.. Im not even sure the frog-genjutsu can be heard..

Im pretty confident that Jiraiya would defeat Itachi..

It's been said that Jiraya has never been very able with genjutsu. If the sannin genius, Orochimaru, pretty much got owned in a genjutsu... what much chance does someone like Jiraya have?

Speed and brute strength to not signify ones overall abilities. True skill, however does. In every battle Itachi's been in, you can see him quickly rid of his enemies in but a few panels. In Konoha he took on a whole a group of elite jounin and destroyed them literally. He destroyed the Uchiha clan, called to be the most elite and feared clan.

If these accomplishments to not dictate his superiority to Jiraya then i don't know what does.
Sure Hermit mode is impressive. But Itachi has the best genjutsu, ninjutsu and taijutsu in the whole series.

Susano-o as broken as it is, is unavoidable and invincible with unlimited defense and offense.

Amaterasu burns in an instant. If Itachi looks at Jiraya, Jiraya would be turned to ashes,... this the power and efficiency of Amaterasu.

I hate to think what will happen to Jiraya under tsukyomi whcih happens in an instant.

sheik · 05-25-2008, 10:40 AM

Itachi even said himself that Jaraiya would have destroyed him after him and kisame tried to take Naruto.

Jaraiya would tear Itachi to pieces, especially in Hermit Mode. Itachi may have pwned Oro but Jaraiya is on a comepletely different level than Oro would have ever been.

Jaraiya was on a level right under being a God. I believe if there wasn't 6 bodies of Pein then Jaraiya would have obliterated him.

HoboAssassin · 05-25-2008, 10:44 AM

Yeah pretty much from what we've seen with Susano and the other 3 MS jutsus, I'm sure Itachi could beat Jiraiya in a 1v1. It was shown that Itachi escaped out of Jiraiya's frog stomach, which was supposedly inescapable. And I'm also positive that Itachi has greater speed than Jiraiya, for Jiraiya isn't known for speed, taijutsu, or genjutsu--he's known for his variety of toad jutsus. But even then, Itachi has a good and extremely powerful arsenal of jutsus match, or are even superior than Jiraiya's. In addition to that Itachi has greater genjustu, which would rape Jiraiya in a second, greater speed, and probably equal taijutsu----overall Itachi's got the edge on Jiraiya. I love Jiraiya and all, he was one of my fav characters, but he wouldn't have beat Itachi in a fight.

mrpiimpnn · 05-25-2008, 10:45 AM

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