Miburo

Yeah, still waiting on the evidence for the existence of god. A guy named jesus existing isn't proof that god exists. It's proof that some dude existed. A book saying "God exists" isn't proof that god exists. You can't use a bunch of texts that claim god exists to prove the claim that god exists. That'd be like me writing on a piece of paper saying "magic space turtles exist" and then using that to prove magic space turtles exist. That's now how shit works. Perhaps if you'd spent a little more time looking up how to construct an argument that doesn't consist of basic logical fallacies instead of making yourself look silly by getting all condescending then you'd know that. = /

XxJstar2oo5

LOL ok fine you win. You really just wanted to bite me in the ass OK U WIN OK now im gonna go cut myself..That still doesnt change the fact i believe in good and you don't lol. FUH-Q I just didnt wanna go down without a fight but i did. And i didnt give a good fight either. Oh well lol

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Miburo

I wasn't trying to change your beliefs, as I couldn't care less as to what you believe. I was just debating against your stance since this is, you know, the debate section and all.

Also, fuck yeah victory!

XxJstar2oo5

I know you werent trying to change my religion but i just wanted to proof a good point -.- and yeah ok keep rubbin it in lol ugh failure lol

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Aruko

God exists. Such as purple rabbits on pogo sticks exist. They both exist in my mind. The concept of God exists and is quite real. However as to whether or not there is such a thing as divine protection or divine interference, that can be debated and is generally a faith based issue. The fact is God exists. It's just not all people believe in deities, such as the great Mibs. There are certain sciences based on the spiritual realm that claim to prove the existence of ghosts and spirits, which I personally believe in, but that doesn't necessarily prove the existence of a Heaven or Hell, the same with a God or Devil.
Is that a reasonable explanation Mibs?

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Miburo

Saying "God exists" doesn't prove any gods actually exist. Neither does saying God exists in your imagination. We're not talking about your imaginary friend here, we're discussing if it is logical to believe that an actual supreme being exists or not. If you're going to make a statement saying that one definitely does, then you better have some actual proof to back it up. Just because you're willing to believe in every baseless claim someone makes doesn't mean it's in any way logical to do so.

Nope.

Aruko

Obviously I didn't put my point across or you don't agree. The debate of a supernatural entitiy of God is non-scientific for most people. (if not all.) There are some Christians who use the massiveness of this universe as proof that something had to create it or they do a bit of backwards logic to use science to prove the supernatural being of God. I don't believe we can prove the existence of God, however. I believe the Christian, or just in general the supernatural, view of God cannot be physically or scientifically proven to the masses of this world.
However, I do believe that the concept of God is real. We have done movies on it, documentaries on it, Christians and agnostics alike have all created music on it, books are written on the concept of God. You wouldn't deny me the FAKT that some people worship money as a God. Money then, is real. Therefore they have their own God. God/s exist and the concept is very real. The supernatural nature of God however cannot be proven.

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Miburo

No shit. That's my point. Saying "God exists" is illogical.
The concept of god =/= god, a creator and supreme being. You're talking about the former, the discussion pertains to the latter. We're discussing the validity of believing in a divine entity, you're saying the equivalent to "I call this soup can god and the soup can is real, therefore gods exist lolololololol." See how your argument isn't really relevant to the discussion?

Aruko

My point is there is no debate. We can not prove nor disprove the existence of a supernatural entity by the name of God, or Yahweh or Shiva or Alah. However you can prove the existence of the concept of God. Maybe I was putting too much emphasis on the concept of God. Meh

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Vanity

People idolize and worship so many STUPIDER things than God... and half don't believe it themselves. So why are you so damn vehement about disproving his existence? =.= why do you insist upon leaving repetitive threads like this open?

Why is it even called Opinions on Christianity

It should be renamed " Another thread to spit on the idea of God because 75% of the NL population that's actually active doesn't believe in one and the 50 other threads sorta not really but basically end up like this believe else wise."

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Speak to me.
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RNB

Well, first off, it wasn't supposed to end up like this. Gay nubs did it.

There is always a debate for something. The fact is, the way logic works, we who believe in God must provide proof. Logic does not say you have to disprove something. Just like you have to prove someone is guilty in court and they don't have to prove they didn't do it right off the back.


Also, the concept of a supreme being has no evidence whatsoever. The universe does not point to a creator. The universe points towards a cause. The cause should not just be labeled, "God" because that would be skipping over possibilities.

Money would not be their "God." Money would their highest value and it would not necessarily be a God. Unless they believe the Benjamins created the universe, they are not calling it God.

Also, there is never a reason to say, "There is no debate. The reason being that once you say this, you start a new debate that is basically the same debate. If I say, "There is no proof on whether animals are just as valuable as humans," one can still respond saying, "Well yes they are because..." Inherently, the debate goes on. So if you think there is, "No debate" then your only choice is to sit back and watch those who believe otherwise.

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Star_Gazer

@Redneckboy
Was this originally suppose to be like a personal manifesto on religious beliefs?

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RNB

Well I wanted to see everyone else's background somewhat. I had made the thread because of anger against the church, which I still dislike btw. I notice a lot of people are turned off by it, so I said forget about the church. Plus, my Christian beliefs are bit different than most people. For one, I recognize that God probably isn't real and there is really no reason to believe in him. Secondly, I don't think Jesus came to keep people from going to a fiery hell. I don't believe in hell, I don't believe in Satan, and I don't believe one will be punished because they decided to live their life based on what they can actually sense. For me, the judging God is much more different than Jesus. I follow Jesus, not what is considered to be the God of the OT. Technically, that was just the Israelites playing the blame game for everything going on. "Oh well, Israel is being attacked. It must be God's will!" While I believe the OT to be wrong in its depiction of God, there is still use of it if one uses Jesus as a measuring stick.

Yeah, so I guess I was trying to get some of my beliefs out there, but mainly I wanted to know how many people hate organized religion, but Christianity in particular.

Also, I can't say I have great faith. Lately, some contradictions in even Jesus's teaching have been driving me nuts. The only way I could see if they weren't would be to translate the gospels myself, but I don't know any of the languages yet. However, I am going to learn Greek and Latin so I can read original philosophical writings so I might use that to look it up. Mainly, I have not been focusing on the God question to much. Right now I am just living.

EDIT: Wow my last post had so many spelling errors and grammatical errors. That may be one of my worst posts.

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Kaine

Well since I am an atheist for a long time I don't really have a high opinion on christianity.To be precise my opinion on the church doesn't get any lower.I don't find any meaning on why should a church exist.

Kissing pictures of jesus and praying on altars makes you an idololatris ad church keeps saying that you honour the person that is on the picture and not the material.But that makes no difference since we see people going and kissing parts of the holy cross and travelling miles to Jerusalem to have god help them.And what church does?They sell parts of the holy wood and bleed those people dry.I also dissagre with many aspects on christianity.
The whole meaning that christianity preaches is to love and care.But that is impossible you can't care for a child rapist, you can't care for someone that killed your beloved ones.

My general opinion is this:I don't need religion to be nice to other and care.I can do it that by myself.I don't care at all if Jesus existed or he was a god.If he did existed he was a man with great ideals someone with a great mind.A humanist.But his teachings got corrupted in the process by others.He never told anything about hatred but in apocalypse John dooms everyone that didn't believed him.Then it was the time for the church to manipulate his words.Those that once moked hm started to preach his word as they wanted to.

The point is I respect people that are christians but not those that believe in church.

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kyukon sosei

Warning: Future apology to anyone I might offend, when throwing the word "we" around & subject jumping... there was too much too talk about I tried to be brief & and so on...

Your views on Christianity? That is way too broad. When I think of Christianity, I think of WAR.

I am too naive and ignorant to know any better. I do believe in "a" GOD.

I grew up as a Roman Catholic, I was never forced into going to Church with friends and family. When I did go, it was during the holidays. I never really took the time to open up the Bible and read it for myself. Majority of the time absorbing the information, has been watching the tube, the History Channel, National Geographic, Science Channel - all that stuff. And these past years it has been a lot. 9/11, Di Vinci Code movie, Mel Gibson's movie, the INTERNET.

You may think I am retarded when I said "war".

I live in the United States, Texas, a matter a fact, 3/4 miles away from largest army post in the US. I am a military brat. My father was in Operation Desert Storm. I have friends and family deployed in Iraq as we speak. I have my own opinions of what's going on there, why we are there, etc.

Watching many shows and movies and reading countless articles, I was just dumbfounded pretty much... on LIFE, existence?

Here are the questions that came to mind during this whole misunderstanding or understanding...

Why can we all just get along, HUMANS? Two people & One Apple Left.
- Why do Muslims hate us so much, they live on the other side of the world, what have "I" done? ... we aren't Muslims? Western Culture? List can go on...
- To spread their word, convert, have people conform to, people must have died... I know there are other religions out there, but I believe there was more blood spilled in the name of Jesus Christ, total.
- OIL? HOLY LAND? the list can go on and ON, there will always be controversy for some stupid sh!t. People have their own beliefs, opinions... etc.

I am too ignorant to know any better. I am pretty sure I would a better person if I took the time to read the Bible and take some time to go to Church - well different from what my life is now without it? I would love to go to one of those Joel Osteen Ministries, I catch myself watching it when channel surfing.

a God? I swing back and forth of the notion if there was or is one, was there a Jesus?

- The question that comes to mind is if there is a God, why did he gives up so much knowledge to DOUBT that he actually exist or not? BUT, this is when FREE WILL comes in... So I sway back on forth on that notion. Also I think a lot more on a scientific spectrum... proof.

As for a Jesus Christ. There is so many writings out there. Yes, I believe there was such a person. There is a possibility that words got misinterpreted, lost in translation.

But I am too ignorant to actually read up more on my own religion. I am not an atheist.

A skeleton might jump out the closet now and than on any subject matter.

I still circle in the box next to Roman Catholic.

You either are a religious person from the start, All is well.

Or all wasn't well and you had to believe in something to make you live on well.

Whoa, Faith and Optimism are not the same...