Opinions on Christianity - Page 23

f1n · 01-04-2009, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Mashed Potato

It's good God taught you compassion and shit, but I think it's time he taught you the importance of paragraphs.

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Originally Posted by Veggiegirl101

Actually you don't loose, you did an excellent job of getting your point across. I congratulate you for what you did do. Usually in situations like these such as a so called "debate", in this case I view it as a conversation.
It's like sharing information, which is what you did and people have a choice, to believe or not to believe. There is a bunch of evidence like you already said that shows that Jesus Christ did live on the Earth. This is really something that people should pay attention too, because Jesus Christ is the image of the invisible God. He is God in Human flesh. Christ means Messiah, if any here ever looked in the Old Testament, which is also the Hebrew Bible which is used by the Jews, Jesus Christ is written about there, and all of the things that the prophets from the Old Testament said about Him came to pass and it is recorded in the New Testament. If any of you would like evidence of this, I suggest that you all check out the History Channel's website. Truly, all three of the major religions Judaism, Islam and Christianity seriously recognize Jesus Christ. That's three different text's providing evidence of the same person, this is no coincidence.

Here's a scripture from the Old Testament that speaks about Jesus Christ.

1 Who would have believed what we heard?
Who saw the Lord's power in this?
2 He grew up like a small plant before the Lord,
like a root growing in a dry land.
He had no special beauty or form to make us notice him;
there was nothing in his appearance to make us desire him.
3 He was hated and rejected by people.
He had much pain and suffering.
People would not even look at him.
He was hated, and we didn't even notice him.

4 But he took our suffering on him
and felt our pain for us.
We saw his suffering
and thought God was punishing him.
5 But he was wounded for the wrong we did;
he was crushed for the evil we did.
The punishment, which made us well, was given to him,
and we are healed because of his wounds. -Isaiah 53:1-5

One of the Greatest King's of Israel King David, also wrote about Jesus Christ stating, "1 The LORD says to my Lord:
"Sit at my right hand
until I make your enemies
a footstool for your feet." -Psalms 110:1

If you would like evidence for the existence of King David, here's the

Link

Jesus Christ also brought this same scripture up while he was talking to the Pharises and Saudeces who were trying to catch Him saying something wrong.

41While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them, 42"What do you think about the Christ[d]? Whose son is he?"
"The son of David," they replied.
43He said to them, "How is it then that David, speaking by the Spirit, calls him 'Lord'? For he says,
44" 'The Lord said to my Lord:
"Sit at my right hand
until I put your enemies
under your feet." '[e] 45If then David calls him 'Lord,' how can he be his son?" 46No one could say a word in reply, and from that day on no one dared to ask him any more questions.
-Matthew 22:41-46

Rock on

f1n · 01-04-2009, 10:07 PM

Sorry about that last quote, took up way too much room...

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Originally Posted by Mashed Potato

It's good God taught you compassion and shit, but I think it's time he taught you the importance of paragraphs.

LOL!

Veggiegirl101 · 01-04-2009, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Redneckboy

There is always a debate for something. The fact is, the way logic works, we who believe in God must provide proof. Logic does not say you have to disprove something.

Actually that is false, the way that we decide if a logical argument is sound, valid but not sound, or invalid is by proving if there is a counter-example to the conclusion, if there is then there is a contradiction. Therefore the argument would be made invalid.

The system of Logic, is very black and white, with no room for complexities like shades of gray, or for that matter higher levels of thought because it can not thoroughly explain these phenomena. A simple example being the reasoning of the mind.

Another way of looking at this would be to look at a computer. It is a logical device that can do precisely what it is programmed to do, but it can not reason the same way that a human mind can, because the mind thinks in a higher way which logic can not convey. Therefore logic can not be used as a means to explain the magnitude or the depth of human thought.

With the system of logic men could neither prove nor disprove God, therefore by your own terms it is illogical to say that it's only a one-sided argument where those who believe in God should provide evidence for Him, although we have...and then say that those who disbelieve don't have to provide evidence...?

Anyways, the Bible is sound. Knowing at least in part of what you are debating about would be beneficial to both sides of the argument or the conversation. How can you form an opinion on anyone that you don't know?
For that matter, what is the reasoning behind people claiming that since God can not be disproven and they don't accept the evidence that people and history support...conclusion they say God doesn't exist. The wise thing to do
since by the system of "logic" people say that God's existence can not be disproven then why don't you believe, if there is even a chance of God existing so said by the "logic" system that people so seriously revere, by that same logic system wouldn't it be logical to look into God because there is a chance according to the logic system that God does in fact exist...?

The truth is that God is, and always will be, but everyone has a choice to believe or not.

So it's up to you all once again to decide for yourselves. I hope that the decisions that you make are made from the truth about God and not just assertions that you believe are the truth about God.

Remember knowing someone and knowing of someone are two entirely different things.

billadam · 07-07-2009, 06:01 AM

On 1st November 2007, Professor Antony Flew’s new book There is a God: How the World's Most Notorious Atheist Changed his Mind was published by HarperOne. Professor Flew has been called ‘the world's most influential philosophical atheist’, as well as ‘one of the most renowned atheists of the 20th Century’ (see Peter S. Williams’ bethinking.org article “A change of mind for Antony Flew”). In his book, Professor Flew recounts how he has come to believe in a Creator God as a result of the scientific evidence and philosophical argument.

Not surprisingly, his book caused quite a stir – as can be seen from the miscellaneous customer reviews on Amazon.co.uk. Some of those comments (and those elsewhere) implied that Flew was used by his co-author, Roy Varghese, and did not in fact know what was in the book. This is a serious charge to which Professor Flew responded and which he reiterated in a recent letter (dated 4th June 2008) to a friend of UCCF who has shown it to us. Professor Flew writes.

07-07-2009, 06:01 AM	#334
billadam Academy Student Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: United States Posts: 1 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Opinions on Christianity On 1st November 2007, Professor Antony Flew’s new book There is a God: How the World's Most Notorious Atheist Changed his Mind was published by HarperOne. Professor Flew has been called ‘the world's most influential philosophical atheist’, as well as ‘one of the most renowned atheists of the 20th Century’ (see Peter S. Williams’ bethinking.org article “A change of mind for Antony Flew”). In his book, Professor Flew recounts how he has come to believe in a Creator God as a result of the scientific evidence and philosophical argument. Not surprisingly, his book caused quite a stir – as can be seen from the miscellaneous customer reviews on Amazon.co.uk. Some of those comments (and those elsewhere) implied that Flew was used by his co-author, Roy Varghese, and did not in fact know what was in the book. This is a serious charge to which Professor Flew responded and which he reiterated in a recent letter (dated 4th June 2008) to a friend of UCCF who has shown it to us. Professor Flew writes. __________________ church communication

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