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Old 07-30-2008, 08:27 PM   #1
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They AREN'T the Kyuubi's powers!

You know how Kakashi said that Naruto's endurace and rappid healing is do to the Kyuubi's chakra. But he's wrong! When Orochimaru put the five-point seal over the two four-elephant seals, he prevented Naruto from using the Kyuubi's chakra. Yet, not only do both these powers remain in Naruto, but they seem even stronger than before. So those are powers belonging to Naruto.
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Re: They AREN'T the Kyuubi's powers!

Orochumaru's seal just made the connection between Naruto and Kyuubi irregular, and hard for Naruto to even fully focus his own chakra. Jiraiya fixed that problem before Naruto had any need for Kyuubi juice again so we really dont know what Naruto could do with Kyuubi juice after Ocochumaru's seal. Naruto's fast healing does come from Kyuubi.
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Re: They AREN'T the Kyuubi's powers!

Kakashi always right, you wrong. And am I thinking of the same seal The Great Jiraiya took off Naruto.
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Re: They AREN'T the Kyuubi's powers!

When Naruto was learning Rasengan before the 5th was named. He burnt himself out and Tsunade said he would be out for a few days atleast.

The next day he was wide awake and Shizane thought to herself about it being the Kyuubi's power.
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Re: They AREN'T the Kyuubi's powers!

omg not another sasuke fan loll....and well u can look at it from both ways....yamamoto did state tht the only reason naruto can withstand the kyuubi's 4tailed power and use it is because of his stamina,chakra, and power...so well u can look at it from both ways
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Re: They AREN'T the Kyuubi's powers!

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You know how Kakashi said that Naruto's endurace and rappid healing is do to the Kyuubi's chakra. But he's wrong! When Orochimaru put the five-point seal over the two four-elephant seals, he prevented Naruto from using the Kyuubi's chakra. Yet, not only do both these powers remain in Naruto, but they seem even stronger than before. So those are powers belonging to Naruto.
Thank you for picking and choosing what you want to pay attention to in the manga
If this chp. 49 pg. 7 is the seal your talking about then it was removed right here by Jiraiya chp. 91 pg. 13

Naruto only fought the genjutsu grass ninja & kiba while sealed with that, and if you take note of the fight, he did not heal so quickly in either bout, simply had stamina which i will agree is his.
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You know how Kakashi said that Naruto's endurace and rappid healing is do to the Kyuubi's chakra. But he's wrong! When Orochimaru put the five-point seal over the two four-elephant seals, he prevented Naruto from using the Kyuubi's chakra. Yet, not only do both these powers remain in Naruto, but they seem even stronger than before. So those are powers belonging to Naruto.
During forest challenge and during the preliminaries of the Chunnin Exam, Naruto was unable to control his chakra properly because the five seal Orochimaru placed over Naruto's original eight seal disrupted the steady flow of the Kyuubi's chakra into his system. Before, Naruto's chakra was used to suppress the Kyuubi's, and during extreme rage, fear, and sadness, the seal allowed for small portions of the Kyuubi's chakra to leak in and out to keep Naruto safe. With further control, Naruto would be able to use the Kyuubi's chakra as it was fusing with his own. Orochimaru feared that Akatuski would catch on and he feared what would happen if Naruto gained so much power (it would be difficult if Naruto was next to Sasuke), so he disrupted the flow and too much of the Kyuubi's chakra was mixing in with his own, and since he lacked the control to use it, his own natural chakra process was drastically thrown off balance.

Jiraiya later released the seal Orochimaru placed on him, and Naruto was able to regain better control of his chakra. The Kyuubi acts on its own as well, so it heals Naruto because of self preservation. If Naruto dies, the Kyuubi dies.

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and well u can look at it from both ways....yamamoto did state tht the only reason naruto can withstand the kyuubi's 4tailed power and use it is because of his stamina,chakra, and power...so well u can look at it from both ways
Yeah, Naruto is special now I guess. I would assume the spirit of the Kyuubi and its chakra placed a great deal of stress on Naruto's chakra network. Naruto has his set amount of chakra, while the rest is used to suppress the Kyuubi's chakra. Generally Naruto would waste so much chakra doing jutsu because he lacked the control to master all of his chakra at once, since a good portion of it was suppressing the Kyuubi's chakra as a result of the seal.

So while his chakra is doing the suppressing, Naruto is still making jutsu, which throws his natural chakra network off balance. SO he'll run out and may accidentally draw in the Kyuubi's. He has a lot of stamina from years of going through the Kyuubi's natural suppression, so I would assume the stress placed on him by the Kyuubi built up his endurance and chakra capacities. So the Kyuubi in turn probably made him stronger. Minato must have had a lot of faith in his newborn child to do something so drastic.
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Thank you for picking and choosing what you want to pay attention to in the manga
If this chp. 49 pg. 7 is the seal your talking about then it was removed right here by Jiraiya chp. 91 pg. 13

Naruto only fought the genjutsu grass ninja & kiba while sealed with that, and if you take note of the fight, he did not heal so quickly in either bout, simply had stamina which i will agree is his.
Thanks for supplying links. Pick and choose? Let's see who did that. After the fight with Kiba.
Oh, look, he's healing RAPIDLY. And Kakashi clarified that the healing ointment shouldn't work that well.

You sure I was the one that wasn't thinking?

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so he disrupted the flow and too much of the Kyuubi's chakra was mixing in with his own, and since he lacked the control to use it, his own natural chakra process was drastically thrown off balance.
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Here is Jiraiya's assessment of the five-part seal.
Note he says: "[Naruto's] chakra and the Nine-Tail's chakra are UNABLE to mix..."



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Note he says: "[Naruto's] chakra and the Nine-Tail's chakra are UNABLE to mix..."
Which means there was no equal flow of chakra distribution. Yeah no complete mix, obviously there was no balance. Or they were mixing in unevenly. Either one would suffice really...
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How i get it, Jman says the chakra is UNABLE to mix since he has Oros seal.. so that's why his chakra is unable to mix. Jman unseal it and whoop he can
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Thanks for supplying links. Pick and choose? Let's see who did that. After the fight with Kiba.
Oh, look, he's healing RAPIDLY. And Kakashi clarified that the healing ointment shouldn't work that well.

You sure I was the one that wasn't thinking?


*wrong answer noise*
Here is Jiraiya's assessment of the five-part seal.
Note he says: "[Naruto's] chakra and the Nine-Tail's chakra are UNABLE to mix..."



I was right and you were wrong. I'm going to sing the "I Was Right Song".


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Aight, so i goofed, was to lazy to look up what happened in those fights...

The original links do prove that the seal was removed, which was the major point i was going after.

About not being able to mix, right before it Jiraiya says:
"It's [the seal] set up so some chakra of the nine-tails slips out from between the elephant seals and combines with the kid's chakra...But that has been stopped by a five part seal"
Ergo the naruto & 9tails chakra are unable to mix because of the 5 part seal, which as i pointed out earlier was removed by jiraiya
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Didn't know that was your point, playafosho. Sorry about being harsh. I was surprized when I realized this too.
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Thanks for supplying links. Pick and choose? Let's see who did that. After the fight with Kiba.
Oh, look, he's healing RAPIDLY. And Kakashi clarified that the healing ointment shouldn't work that well.

You sure I was the one that wasn't thinking?


*wrong answer noise*
Here is Jiraiya's assessment of the five-part seal.
Note he says: "[Naruto's] chakra and the Nine-Tail's chakra are UNABLE to mix..."



I was right and you were wrong. I'm going to sing the "I Was Right Song".


*hurtful sarcasm ends*
The seal did not completly supress the Kyuubi chakra, but it threw his system off balance and thus he was hard pressed to use abilities. However the healing and stamina that the Chakra brings was not taken away, although it might have been lessened.
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