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Old 08-20-2008, 11:30 PM   #1
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kabuchimaru missed up PnJ and stfu theories

Okay..1st sasuke kill orochimaru..then kabuto infuse what left of him inside his own body...

2nd revealing the truth in itachi vs sasuke fight...sasuke didn't kill oro but he sealed him inside his cursed seal or whatever.

so what did kabuto took?

howcome oro is inside both sasuke and kabuto?

was the cursed seal is a back door oro made to revive him self in anybody who have it?

please dont tell me that kabuto took oro's genes and sasuke took the soul..cuz it said that oro cells are taken over kabuto's body very fast and sooner or later we will be talken to oro.

so..is it another PnJ lag?..or dose anyone see that there is any sense here?
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Old 08-21-2008, 03:32 AM   #2
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Re: kabuchimaru missed up PnJ and stfu theories

Sasuke didn't kill him. Itachi trapped him in an eternal genjutsu with his sword. Unless the soul also exist in the body, Orochimaru ain't coming back.
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Re: kabuchimaru missed up PnJ and stfu theories

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Okay..1st sasuke kill orochimaru..then kabuto infuse what left of him inside his own body...

2nd revealing the truth in itachi vs sasuke fight...sasuke didn't kill oro but he sealed him inside his cursed seal or whatever.

so what did kabuto took?

howcome oro is inside both sasuke and kabuto?

was the cursed seal is a back door oro made to revive him self in anybody who have it?

please dont tell me that kabuto took oro's genes and sasuke took the soul..cuz it said that oro cells are taken over kabuto's body very fast and sooner or later we will be talken to oro.

so..is it another PnJ lag?..or dose anyone see that there is any sense here?


:O never thought of it. But dont you think that oros dead body(the body he took before sasuke came to him) is the one kabuto's using? Oro had many bodies within him (me think) and all of them looked like him I'm no expert, but something like that makes sense... or does it? :s
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Old 08-21-2008, 04:36 AM   #4
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Re: kabuchimaru missed up PnJ and stfu theories

no what kabuto fused with what was left from his body.. i belive its the white sanke skin. and for sasuke he took over his mind and power kinda ..
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Re: kabuchimaru missed up PnJ and stfu theories

Yeah. It is like with the Kyuubi. Its body isn't inside Naruto, only its chakra and soul.

How do we know it? Look at when Sarutobi sealed Orochimaru's arms. He sealed the soul that would inhabit those arms and give them life.

Kabuto took the white snake skin from Orochimaru's true form and infused it into himself. He won't become Orochimaru, he is just a CRAZY SOB.

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Re: kabuchimaru missed up PnJ and stfu theories

Kabuto is an extremly skilled Shinobi. He is also incredibly smart. For all we know he was using Oro to get somthing done. Which may have somthing to do with Fusing Oro within himself.
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Re: kabuchimaru missed up PnJ and stfu theories

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please dont tell me that kabuto took oro's genes and sasuke took the soul..cuz it said that oro cells are taken over kabuto's body very fast and sooner or later we will be talken to oro.

Well you said it, Oro's soul is trapped in a genjutsu, and Oro's DNA traits are taking over or being incorpated in kabuto. I say the latter, I say kabuto will be kabuto , but he will have Oro's desires, skill and attributes(nature) added in. Our cells are changing based on simple and powerful experiences in everyday life, everything is recorded in our cells and our brain cells especially.


Now, they can do this and have two Oro's. One, kabuto can glean cells from oro's physical DNA that he could have lying around, clone a new body, and try to pull Oro's soul from out of that genjutsu trap(or whatever). OR, when this DNA take-over is complete, oro's soul is strong, and since he could not be killed easily in the first place, I would say his soul would return through the stong resonance(that word again) with his physical DNA. Genius on kishi's part anyway you look at it.
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Re: kabuchimaru missed up PnJ and stfu theories

I agree with tien a little.

Sasuke used his sharingan and control over the cursed seal's chakra to suppress Orochimaru's soul within himself. Orochimaru's spirit was alive, as Sasuke responded to Kabuto saying he did not kill him, he merely overtaken him. From having Orochimaru's spirit kept underwraps due to the cursed seal's chakra, Sasuke could use Orochimaru's skills an attributes because he's drawing from Orochimaru's spirit, which contains another source of power.

But the only think keeping Orochimaru binded to Sasuke, was a layer of chakra, if Sasuke's chakra was empty, he'd naturally but accidently draw on the chakra he originally used to suppress Orochimaru, which resulted in his spirit breaking free.

So Sasuke held Orochimaru's spirit, but it was trapped within Itachi's Sasunoo genjutsu for eternity, unless one of those snakes carring some of Orochimaru's conscious managed to escape Amaterasu that is.

What Kabuto took in his body was Orochimaru's physical matter. Due to Orochimaru's experiments and strange jutsu in cooperated into his body over a period of years, its remains became a life force on its own. Once Kabuto added those remains into his body, it began to take over. Technically, Kabuto can't become Orochimaru, because Orochimaru's soul is elsewhere. But Kabuto can become a slave to Orochimaru's body material. Which means Kabuto may inherit some of Orochimaru's personality traits and physical abnormalities. Kabuto would become a whole heck of a lot powerful, but he'll turn into a mad man controlled by Orochimaru's tenancies....

So he won't be Orochimaru per say, but he'll be like in terms of skills and personality. He'll be a new being. Most likely more crazed an insane then both Orochimaru and Kabuto seperately.
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Old 08-21-2008, 08:37 PM   #9
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Re: kabuchimaru missed up PnJ and stfu theories

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Yeah. It is like with the Kyuubi. Its body isn't inside Naruto, only its chakra and soul.

How do we know it? Look at when Sarutobi sealed Orochimaru's arms. He sealed the soul that would inhabit those arms and give them life.


Kabuto took the white snake skin from Orochimaru's true form and infused it into himself. He won't become Orochimaru, he is just a CRAZY SOB.

I hate him...
yes but both kuubi and oro's arm are used by a forbiden sealing technique that can only be used by the 4th and the 3rd..so there is no way sasuke and kabuto know it..unless oro knew it and tought it to them.

the only thing i belive that kishi kept oro's powers alive is for using kuchiocy Edo-tensin..to revive someone who died..like jiraiya for example..so the 3 sannins can fight pain.
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Old 08-21-2008, 08:50 PM   #10
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Re: kabuchimaru missed up PnJ and stfu theories

it works best to not think about it too much. Really, it falls into a gray area. Just imagine Cell from DBZ mixed with harry potter. Somehow even Oro's cells retain his "essence" and thus are trying to take over Kabuto and recreate Oro's body with all its skills, memories, and abilities. Basically do what Cell did in DBZ. Then the deal with Sasuke is that somehow Oro has been able to split his "soul"...similar to how Valdamort was able to do in harry potter. it doesn't really make any sense and Kishi just threw that crap together to make Oro still a lurking sinister villian that may return is like a plague that can't be done away with. THat's the just of it.
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Yer I agree... its a grey area and really its gonna be whatever Kishimo wants it to be at the time, and in the manga world all things are possible
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Old 08-21-2008, 11:52 PM   #12
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Re: kabuchimaru missed up PnJ and stfu theories

Its just so fucken missed up..he is sure a good writer..but if he didn't put a good explaination for all those crap..no one with a good mind will ever read any of his other mangas he gonna make or made before like "akamarue" manga.
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I agree with tien a little.

Sasuke used his sharingan and control over the cursed seal's chakra to suppress Orochimaru's soul within himself. Orochimaru's spirit was alive, as Sasuke responded to Kabuto saying he did not kill him, he merely overtaken him. From having Orochimaru's spirit kept underwraps due to the cursed seal's chakra, Sasuke could use Orochimaru's skills an attributes because he's drawing from Orochimaru's spirit, which contains another source of power.

But the only think keeping Orochimaru binded to Sasuke, was a layer of chakra, if Sasuke's chakra was empty, he'd naturally but accidently draw on the chakra he originally used to suppress Orochimaru, which resulted in his spirit breaking free.

So Sasuke held Orochimaru's spirit, but it was trapped within Itachi's Sasunoo genjutsu for eternity, unless one of those snakes carring some of Orochimaru's conscious managed to escape Amaterasu that is.

What Kabuto took in his body was Orochimaru's physical matter. Due to Orochimaru's experiments and strange jutsu in cooperated into his body over a period of years, its remains became a life force on its own. Once Kabuto added those remains into his body, it began to take over. Technically, Kabuto can't become Orochimaru, because Orochimaru's soul is elsewhere. But Kabuto can become a slave to Orochimaru's body material. Which means Kabuto may inherit some of Orochimaru's personality traits and physical abnormalities. Kabuto would become a whole heck of a lot powerful, but he'll turn into a mad man controlled by Orochimaru's tenancies....

So he won't be Orochimaru per say, but he'll be like in terms of skills and personality. He'll be a new being. Most likely more crazed an insane then both Orochimaru and Kabuto seperately.

Thanks for the rep................. a little, lol. Well said, could not have put it any better myself. And to the other guy, when Oro first sought out Tsunade to reverse what the third did, remember he told her that is she could or did not cure him , he had another way anyway. Imagine if he ran into akatsuki without the use of his arms, he would be done for. When he takes over a soul, some traits of the person remain, basically that is what he meant, when he told Tsunade there is another way. His soul transplants the new host's soul, and his soul-arms were regnerated, weird as that sounds, lol.


Although I wonder how Tsunade could cured him though.
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2nd revealing the truth in itachi vs sasuke fight...sasuke didn't kill oro
Sasuke did kill Orochimaru, in a physical sense. Even if it was a tainted victory, he still did kill his physical form.

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but he sealed him inside his cursed seal or whatever.
Sasuke didn't seal Orochimaru in his cursed seal. Orochimaru was stupid enough to attempt a take over of Sasuke's body, and brought him to his own personal dimension, where Orochimaru rules. Naturally, PnJ combined with Sasuke's will made it so Sasuke prevented Orochimaru from taking over. However, Oro's being was still in Sasuke's body, just, suppressed.

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so what did kabuto took?
He took the remains of Orochimaru's left over body.

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howcome oro is inside both sasuke and kabuto?
Orochimaru's essence was in Sasuke's body, but Itachi took care of that, and permanently sealed Orochimaru away. Kabuto doesn't have Orochimaru himself in him, just his DNA.

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was the cursed seal is a back door oro made to revive him self in anybody who have it?
Probably not. I mean, I really doubt he knew that Sasuke would be able to use his CS against him, in his own dimension the way he did. Oro does promise more power and hacks to those whom he chooses as his containers, so he does have to provide them with something.

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please dont tell me that kabuto took oro's genes and sasuke took the soul..
That's exactly what happened.

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cuz it said that oro cells are taken over kabuto's body very fast and sooner or later we will be talken to oro.
Erm, what's uh, what's so hard to understand about that? Orochimaru's DNA is attempting to take over Kabuto's body, and Sasuke had his soul.

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so..is it another PnJ lag?..or dose anyone see that there is any sense here?
I'm not getting what you're saying. PnJ? Towards whom? Kabuto and Sasuke?
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Re: kabuchimaru missed up PnJ and stfu theories

It doesnt matter if Itachi did sealed Oro's soul. That part of the plot was the only way Kishi can remove the CS out of Sasuke so Oro being shine away from circulation is not out of the realm of possibilities. People are debating if a living being even has a soul but it doesnt matter now is it!! This is a manga and we dont need to put facts in every bit of details. Kishi is putting aside Kabuto/Oro so he can use them later.
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