jasminegreen

What training methods? Henever trained Naruto or Sakura in part 1. The Sannin did they. The only student Kakashi actually trained was Sasuke and he left.

Sauron

are you serious? just because it's a manga you can't be honest and not tell me he couldn't have trained them on the side during there time together. also the 1st training was exactly what it sounds like a training.

the sannin ? the sannin taught them after they knew the basics and had passed kakashi's training. now as for kakashi teaching sasuke the chordi if you read the kakashi gaiden you would know why you shouldn't use this without sharigan. i really don't understand what this is all about.

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jasminegreen

If you mean the training back in the Wave Arc, he didn't train them then. He gave them a demonstration and Sakura was the one that explained it to Naruto & Sasuke and told Naruto what to do, for extra help. From looking at Sakura, Kakashi didn't do much of anything with her, Tsunade was the one that had to build Sakura up. Kakashi gave Naruto to Ebisu to learn to basics, and luckly Naruto met Jiraiya and Jiraiya took Naruto's training from there, so Naruto's basics weren't good when he got him.

Sauron

wait so is not teaching naruto the basics really the whole thing that kakashi is an asshole? i believe that was iruka's department and supposedly naruto graduated so he is suppose to know the basics. kakashi is about team unity and strength coming from individuals working as a team to complete the mission. we can't say he wouldn't have taught naruto or sakura right after he taught sasuke.

and i really haven't seen proof of a good reason. but i do get you don't like his casual attitude about how he goes training certain students.

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jasminegreen

You said the Sannin got them only after Kakashi tought them the basics and did alot of the training, I was stating that Naruto & Sakura didn't learn much under Kakashi's teachings. The Sannin did most of the work with them, what did Kakashi do?

Sauron

so you are saying that the sannin prepared them for the chunin exams or the zabuza. i mean you are comparing a sannin to a jounin. i'm just pointing out where responsibility lies. which is exactly what you are arguement is about. you don't like kakashi because he isn't a sannin that can teach an super effective move. also he tends to teach one student first because he could die if not taught a move that he could only do. oh and we shouldn't grade the teacher on time.

btw, learning and getting all their butts kicked in his bell test was a training. they do it again latter to see how much they learn. also go on missions was a training when kakashi took them to the village for the bridge. all of that protecting the bridge builder. i mean what the hell am i talking about you're right. that is what you want to hear, right? there is no excuse life isn't fair for naruto because villagers messed with him and kakashi taught sasuke 1st and omg he didn't learn the basics. weak excuses that don't hold up i think we can really say this is over can't we?

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jasminegreen

The Chunin exam? What did Naruto and Sakura use in the Chunin exam that Kakashi tought them? Sakura lost in the priliminaries, in the Forest of Death, she was pathetic, all she did was cry and cut her hair. When Naruto fough Kiba, he used his shadow clones, which Kakashi didn't teach him. Then during his fight with Neji, he used what he learned from Jiraiya. You're the one that brought up Kakashi tought them the important basics and that that was what counted. I was stating the fact that he didn't teach the basics.

aloen84

LOL naruto just get better teacher than kakashi,
the sage toad, jiraiya sama .. that's is more enough than kakashi

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Sauron

Just recently started going over some of the old episodes and found a few interesting things. you are probably going to have a lame response to this but atleast this is some proof that he did teach them something while injured and that he thought of naruto atleast. btw that is why i didn't really respond because the same things are being said over and there is no logic to your theory.


http://www.narutocentral.com/manga-viewer/017/16/

naruto here demonstrates that he doesn't know what chakra is. which is an indication that he doesn't know the basics.

http://www.narutocentral.com/manga-viewer/017/18/

sakura has just got done explaining about chakra and naruto doesn't get it. so kakashi gives a further explanation of it.

http://www.narutocentral.com/manga-viewer/017/19/

that is an example of what he is talking about.

http://www.narutocentral.com/manga-viewer/017/20/

here is him finishing up to lead up to tree climbing.

http://www.narutocentral.com/manga-viewer/018/13/

here is kakashi thinking of both naruto and sasuke and how the training will really pay off if they get it right. now the training has to do with chakra control and later we see naruto has a problem with it.

looking at it from the beginning again i can honestly say that kakashi wasn't an asshole. now he might not be the greatest teacher for naruto at that time but who can really tell what might have happened.

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hinatafan11

Sasuke had an extensive ninjutsu background before the training already, and Naruto was still inexpirienced.

Can you blame him?
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uh no. kakashi rocks!

Sauron

They were all inexperienced that was the point of kakashi training with them and also them using that in battles, etc. It's just that sasuke and naruto had large chakra tanks that they need to train with.

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Naruto2008

It was fair, Kakashi was the best teacher for Sasuke at the time while Jiraiya was the best teacher for Naruto.

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silence_liz0

He trained Sasuke and Naruto. Fair enough.

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