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Old 09-27-2008, 12:20 PM   #1
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The epic rematch: MS Sasuke vs Sennin Naruto!

They're both really shaping up, no? Let's take a look at a few things now.

Sennin mode increases all physical aspects of Naruto. So not only does Naruto have the speed to speedblitz Sasuke, but he's also able to defend against it. Sasuke lost a bit of his own speed boost when he lost CS. But he's not slow by any means. Power wise, Naruto far exceeds anything Sasuke has shown, even when Sasuke had CS. In terms of strength, Sasuke is fucked. Genjutsu wise, Naruto should be able to defend against it now. I mean, he was able to break out of Itachi's first genjutsu, before Itachi turned it up a notch. And Sasuke's genjutsu has yet to be on Itachi's level, so yeah. As far as ninjutsu goes, we can toss katons out of the window, since Sasuke's strongest katon is just used as a support technique to set up for Kirin. Elementally, Naruto's fuuton has the advantage against Sasuke's raiton. Let Sasuke launch Kirin, Naruto knows that fuuton > raiton, and he's not stupid. Anyone with a brain will know what's about to happen when a storm shows up, it's raining, and Sasuke has his Chidori laced hand up in the air. Naruto's Fuuton Rasenshuriken is the perfect counter for Kirin. And yes, I know it's forbidden for Naruto to use it, but it was forbidden when he didn't master Sennin mode. He has it mastered, and his durability has increased ten fold. I personally believe Naruto can now use the technique with little to no drawback.

Now we have Sasuke. His speed should be on par with Naruto, and yet, something inside of me thinks Naruto has trumped Sasuke in speed now. We saw what an unmastered Hermit Mode Jiraiya's speed was like. The speed of a mastered Sennin Mode Naruto should be at least at that level, and well, Sasuke will have to rely on all of his speed if he's to stand a chance against Naruto. As I said above, physically, Sasuke is fucked, in terms of strength and durability. Though, I do think a Chidori to the heart of head will kill Naruto, but that can be said about most other ninjas as well. I honestly think Sasuke's only saving grace in their next fight (assuming it happens soon, and before Sasuke and Naruto gain even more hax) will be his MS. And even then, Naruto still has the edge. Naruto's never experienced Tsukuyomi, and we learned through Killer Bee that a jinchuuriki should be able to get out of strong genjutsu. While Kyuubi and Naruto's relationship isn't exactly friendly and loving, I really doubt Kyuubi will risk Naruto's life and let Naruto feel the full effects of Sasuke's watered down Tsukuyomi. As for Amaterasu, Naruto has many ways around this technique. We saw Sasuke, with CS hax and boosts, was unable to outrun Itachi's Amaterasu. But Sennin Mode Naruto should be able to outrun it, or he can use his bunshins. Another thing, we know Itachi's Amaterasu was fast, and Sasuke doesn't seem to have fully mastered his yet, so I have no reason to believe his Amaterasu is as fast as Itachi's. Also, since Naruto's very own durability has increased so much, that should technically mean his bunshins shouldn't pop away as fast as they normally do.

Anyway, I believe their next fight should go in Naruto's favor. Their first fight on top of the hospital roof top was interrupted by Kakashi and Sakura. During that fight, I will say they were equals. Their fight at the Valley of the End (aka, where Madara got the ass whipping of his life), Sasuke got the technical win, but we have to also look at all of the aspects. The main one being, Naruto held back. Naruto never had intentions of killing Sasuke, while Sasuke was willing to do whatever it took to get Naruto off his back. This fight is seriously anticipated now that they both have hax that really fit their styles. I think Naruto will win this next fight, but not kill Sasuke. What do you guys think?
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Old 09-27-2008, 01:17 PM   #2
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Re: The epic rematch: MS Sasuke vs Sennin Naruto!

i completely agree with all of those points
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Old 09-27-2008, 01:29 PM   #3
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Re: The epic rematch: MS Sasuke vs Sennin Naruto!

yep. I can't argue there.
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Re: The epic rematch: MS Sasuke vs Sennin Naruto!

epic lmfaoo did u see how naruto split that mountain in half yes EARTH lol sasuke is just plain flesh and bones naruto can obliterate him at this point without even trying one punch and this guy will be blind like the oro haired pein was. sasuke as he is right now poses no real threat plain and simple he has become so weak since he lost oro and oro hax plus cs it's not even funny and it seems his body is rejecting the mks way to early for him to losing sight in only 3 uses.
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Re: The epic rematch: MS Sasuke vs Sennin Naruto!

only thing naruto needs to worry about is how he is gonna kill madara and pein sasuke is irrelevant now.
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Re: The epic rematch: MS Sasuke vs Sennin Naruto!

In taijutsu, naruto is at least on sasuke's level (probably stronger than sasuke). But i still think naruto would loose to him because he still doesnt know alot of ninjutsu compared to sasuke (sasuke knows lightning and fire elements, altough naruto can beat lightning with his wind, against fire he'll loose, and sasuke still has his MS techniques). And also, he still isnt that good in getting away of genjutsu.

But maybe my opinion changes when I see this jutsu hes been secretly training.

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Re: The epic rematch: MS Sasuke vs Sennin Naruto!

what ninjutsu does sasuke have exactley all his lighting ninjutsu are useless so he has 4-5 useless attacks cool let him use it and waste chakra lmao. fire big deal it can barely burn naruto's clothing as we have seen.

this isn't jiraiya's katon were u can kill humans with it it's uchiha katon which are weak as hell with a nice c rank to go along with their weakness.

Sasukes taijutsu is nothing anymore naruto is now faster stronger and ten times as durable as he was before hes like the new orochimaru times 10. as we have seen when you have a partner not even tsukuyomi can touch you kyuubi will deal with his tsukuyomi easily amaterasu can be dealt with as well there are ways. and susanoo you must master both amateraus and tsukuyomi to 100% level to attain it.
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Re: The epic rematch: MS Sasuke vs Sennin Naruto!

Sorry Mikey Naruto is not on Sasuke level yet!!
Let's leave Aamaterasu,Tsukuyomi,Kirin,and maybe Susanoo.....(I know all of this can kill Naruto..nevermind)but It seems you forget the best Jutsu of Sasuke!!the new one he unlocked during the fight with Hachibi..what kind of power could Vanished The Amaterasu!!??(Sasuke just look at those black flame and they are vanished not just like Kakashi's but even more advanced)
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Re: The epic rematch: MS Sasuke vs Sennin Naruto!

^yo sasuke fan boy shut up please and post useful info. Susanoo can only be used once you master tsukuyomi and amaterasu perfectly ........ kirin is nothing since wind beats lighting naruto doesn't even need a jutsu all he needs is to use wind and it will stop kriin that's kishi's own words don't argue them.

Naruto was always more powerful then sasuke in terms of power now his power exceeds tsunades his speed exceeds jiraiya's hermit mode since he mastered it fully his healing will now go at the speed of light tsukuyomi can't do shit because kyuubi will dispose of it as killer bee said when you have a beast in you it's impossible to get caught and kyuubi is the most powerful beats.

Chidori is useless cause it's lightning so naruto will say thank you for useing it he will counter it with wind and then tell sasuke thanks for using your chakra so tsukuyomi, chidori,chidori nagashi,chidori senbon,chidori sowrd are all useless in this fight back to fire. oh and kriin

c rank katon that couldn't even burn naruto's clothing... wow and his star move amaterasu which can be put out if though of properly.

Naruto sage mode speed plus kyuubi jucie speed will blitz sasuke into another relam naruto's base power increased ten fold when in hermit mode becoming more then tsunades one hit and sasuke can become blind... naruto's durablity has now become so high he fell from the top of a spike a very high one hit another spike and said "that barely hurt".

Sasuke is now weaker then naruto point blank the only thing that will keep sasuke alive is.

Kishi's sasuke fan boy/girls fan base that will cry that sasuke is so weak thus kishi will fiind a way to make naruto weaker then him or purposly make sasuke stronger. which is the one thing that ruins this manga a pathetic loser like sasuke who cannott be left in the dirt when he clearly is outclassed by naruto now.
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Old 09-27-2008, 04:02 PM   #10
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Re: The epic rematch: MS Sasuke vs Sennin Naruto!

No, naruto barely got out of Itachi's normal genjutsu, and tailed beast aside, kyuubi being the most powerful can still be controlled by Uchiha. Because of this purposed 'link'. Is naruto ready for kuurin, I mean does he know what it is, or would he take it for a normal storm. Kabuto stated that as naruto already was, he would be a badass if he had the intelligence to learn how to use his enormous chakra properly, I do not even think Sage training was necessary. Now I have two things to ask you guys, SAGE TRAINING enhanced ALL physical aspect..........

- Did it increase brain intelligence, we see naruto has to learn chakra control, if unactivated his normal chakra and physical stamina should be five-fold now without sage mode activated. But after the fact , we see naruto training in some kind of new incredible jutsu. In the last amime yamato was stated at the beginning of complex jutsus being mastered through having and 'INATE SENSE' that is the same almost as the 'INTUITIVENESS' word I threw around on previous post. In that I mean those with bloodline abilities or if any ninja mastered and element, when you have, there is no hardship in what you had to go through initially to bring it out.
Did anyone noticed naruto during the training, one minute he was dry, the next he was drenched, if he has two affinties which is water and wind, did the sage training mastery bring out that INATE/ITUITIVENESS. Which would be water. Would like to discuss this, but look at that panel again, when we was splitting those mountains in half, he was dry in one panel, and wet in the other one.

- When fukasaku gave him Jiraiya's book, the gutsy ninja, travelling with Jiraiya and all. We all know Jiraiya was big on ninjas coming up with their own personal jutsus and style and all. But did naruto read about this jutsu, which could have been real, or imaginary, and decided to make it his own, meaning a jutsu out of that book.
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Re: The epic rematch: MS Sasuke vs Sennin Naruto!

Yo Naruto fanboy get real. There is no way you can dodge kirin/chidori just by having wind natured chakra. You really think chidori won't cut Naruto? Please.

Naruto has yet to master his bijuu so don't expect kyuubi to help out during a Tsukuyomi attack. That might happen soon though, guess that's why Kishi decided to let us in on the secret.

Amaterasu can be put out? Nobody has done that so far, except for Sasuke (no, Jiraiya sealed some of the leftover flames, he didn't extinguish it). There's no denying that Amaterasu is one of the strongest attacks we have seen, it took down hachibi for christ's sake. I don't see how bunshins are gonna help either, Amaterasu will just burn them all.

Naruto will be relying on Itachi's gift to counter Sasuke's new MS power.

BTW Mikey, what's this about a watered down Tsukuyomi? Has there been any indication that Sasuke does not possess full strength Tsukuyomi/Amaterasu?
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you could be right naruto may have developed a new element like water would make sense for him since i only see earth or water with his wind already. with that said he did get out of itachi's genjutsu itachi said it himself"not bad at all" but still not good enough" then he layered his genjutsu again and turned into a 2 genjutsus in one something only itachi has shown since he is god in genjutsu.

sasuke is nowhere near the level of genjutsu itachi is itachi killed ppl with plain genjutsu.
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Yo Naruto fanboy get real. There is no way you can dodge kirin/chidori just by having wind natured chakra. You really think chidori won't cut Naruto? Please.

Naruto has yet to master his bijuu so don't expect kyuubi to help out during a Tsukuyomi attack. That might happen soon though, guess that's why Kishi decided to let us in on the secret.

Amaterasu can be put out? Nobody has done that so far, except for Sasuke (no, Jiraiya sealed some of the leftover flames, he didn't extinguish it). There's no denying that Amaterasu is one of the strongest attacks we have seen, it took down hachibi for christ's sake. I don't see how bunshins are gonna help either, Amaterasu will just burn them all.

Naruto will be relying on Itachi's gift to counter Sasuke's new MS power.

BTW Mikey, what's this about a watered down Tsukuyomi? Has there been any indication that Sasuke does not possess full strength Tsukuyomi/Amaterasu?
plain and simple naruto outclasses sasuke now that he mastered sage mode periodddddd regardless of your whining or crying it won't change we saw what jiraiya did in sage mode and he didn't even master it fully naruto did end of story. He split a mountain with something most likley his wind chakra a MOUNTAIN not a human body which is less dense then earth itself.

Kirin won't do jack shit since wind beats lighting chidori can cut naruto however last time it did all that happened is naruto healed back with kyuubi now naruto has sage mode which made his body far more durable from falling off a spike on to a spike and not even bleeding plus kyuubi healing sasuke chidori would be wasted attempts.

Not to mention he doesn't have a large chakra supply def not more then naruto as we have seen in the data books stamina=chakra you can't expect sasuke to use chidori variations krin then still have shit lef tover to use amaterasu and tsukuyomi are you outta your fuking mind. Face now that sasuke has mks that's all he will rely on he relied on his own skills in his last fight and got fukced up twice if not for plot... he used something itachi gave him and won he felt the power of the mks which is why he keeps saying i have a "new power". His eyes are already getting fucked up rather quickly he won't be using kirin anytime soon if ever not if he wants to use his mks since that alone takes an enormous toll on your body.

While naruto has a huge chakra supply plus kyuubi plus healing plus sgae healing plus way more durablity plus more speed plus more power lmaoo what does sasuke have again.

as for tsukuyomi kyuubi doesn't need to be friends with naruto naruto has a good control up to 2 tails and can maintain partial control up to 3 now with him training in sage mode i wouldn't be surrised if he could control 3 better killer bee had 2 tails going into 3 when he got caught and he came out because of the sheer chakra kyuubi will just roar and bam. you don't need control over your demon fully to have him disrupt flow especially when kyuubi would do it himself if he saw naruto was in trouble.

As for amaterasu once again a way can be shown around it yamato already shown one way by splitting it in half. but as i said sasuke's chakra won't handle mks plus his normal attacks lmfaoo if you even think he would your retarded beyond the point of retardeness. lmfao.
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Re: The epic rematch: MS Sasuke vs Sennin Naruto!

Plain and simple Naruto will be needing Itachi's gift. He will need the Uchiha power that you hate so much.

Kirin would blow Naruto away. Again, having wind natured chakra doesn't automatically make you invulnerable to lightning based attacks, wtf are you smoking?

Naruto DOES need to be friends with kyuubi to defend against Tsukuyomi, pay attention fool. Tailed mode has nothing to do with defending against the strongest genjutsu. Kyuubi seems to be sleeping unless called for, and Tsukuyomi is over in a second as far as he's concerned.

Yamato split leftovers in half good job.... A live Amaterasu would make a nice Yamato steak.

Oh, and Naruto was owned by genjutsu last time he met Itachi:

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/366/06/
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plain and simple naruto outclasses sasuke now that he mastered sage mode periodddddd regardless of your whining or crying it won't change we saw what jiraiya did in sage mode and he didn't even master it fully naruto did end of story. He split a mountain with something most likley his wind chakra a MOUNTAIN not a human body which is less dense then earth itself.

Kirin won't do jack shit since wind beats lighting chidori can cut naruto however last time it did all that happened is naruto healed back with kyuubi now naruto has sage mode which made his body far more durable from falling off a spike on to a spike and not even bleeding plus kyuubi healing sasuke chidori would be wasted attempts.

Not to mention he doesn't have a large chakra supply def not more then naruto as we have seen in the data books stamina=chakra you can't expect sasuke to use chidori variations krin then still have shit lef tover to use amaterasu and tsukuyomi are you outta your fuking mind. Face now that sasuke has mks that's all he will rely on he relied on his own skills in his last fight and got fukced up twice if not for plot... he used something itachi gave him and won he felt the power of the mks which is why he keeps saying i have a "new power". His eyes are already getting fucked up rather quickly he won't be using kirin anytime soon if ever not if he wants to use his mks since that alone takes an enormous toll on your body.

While naruto has a huge chakra supply plus kyuubi plus healing plus sgae healing plus way more durablity plus more speed plus more power lmaoo what does sasuke have again.

as for tsukuyomi kyuubi doesn't need to be friends with naruto naruto has a good control up to 2 tails and can maintain partial control up to 3 now with him training in sage mode i wouldn't be surrised if he could control 3 better killer bee had 2 tails going into 3 when he got caught and he came out because of the sheer chakra kyuubi will just roar and bam. you don't need control over your demon fully to have him disrupt flow especially when kyuubi would do it himself if he saw naruto was in trouble.

As for amaterasu once again a way can be shown around it yamato already shown one way by splitting it in half. but as i said sasuke's chakra won't handle mks plus his normal attacks lmfaoo if you even think he would your retarded beyond the point of retardeness. lmfao.
Remember that Itachi was equal to Jiraya when sasuke and naruto were kids.

Sasuke was almost as strong as Itachi without MS (now in shippuuden), now he has (some of) Itachi's abilities, he probably isn't as strong as Itachi was, yet, but he will be when he masters his ms abilities. Naruto surpassed Jiraya in Sage mode, but he is not stronger than Jiraya was, Jiraya knew alot more jutsus (strong ones) and he was more experiencied. As i said before, naruto is probably stronger in taijutsu than sasuke, but in ninjutsu he still inst much strong, he only uses one element, and almost only uses KB + Rasengan, he needs other abilities.

And against MS, unless Itachi gave him a big hax, he'll be screwed, he wont get past genjutsu, he'll die on amaterasu, and if sasuke learns how to use susanoo, i think the only way for naruto to beat him will be learning to use all of the kyuubi's power.

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