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Old 12-08-2008, 06:44 PM   #61
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I think love is meant to be two sided, with complete love from each side. nit's hard to love some one selflessly if you don't think that they care about you the same way.
and it's gotta be more than words, obviously
You are still in a relationship to get something. You are still concerned about your own interests. That is selfishness.
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RNB - First of all, before this goes any further, give me a good definition of what love means to you.
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Old 12-08-2008, 06:46 PM   #63
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RNB - First of all, before this goes any further, give me a good definition of what love means to you.
All love is appreciation of some sort. To appreciate, you must hold certain values above others. To do this, you must be concerned with your own interests because you are formulating an opinion based on your preferences.
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Old 12-08-2008, 06:47 PM   #64
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It's not just thoughts about others, but sometimes I'd make decisions because they benefited me the most. *shrugs* I'd expect my man to do the same from time to time to secure his own happiness. I dunno, it's hard for me to imagine another person fulfilling me entirely because they are a separate individual. Anyway, I guess what I'm saying is I wouldn't rely on another person for total happiness. Aka they don't know me as well as I do. And for years to come, I think that's always going to be the case. Then again maybe I just don't see myself opening up that much.
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If the elephants have past lives yet are destined to always remember
It's no wonder how they scream
Like you and I they must have some temper

And I am dreaming of them on the plains
Dirtying up their beds
Watching for some sign of rain to cool their hot heads

And how dare that you send me that card when I'm doing all that I can do
You are forcing me to remember when all I want is to just forget you

If the tiger shall protect her young then tell me how did you slip by
All my instincts have failed me for once
I must have somehow slept the whole night

And I am dreaming of them with their kill
Tearing it all apart
Blood dripping from their lips and teeth sinking into heart

And how dare that you say you'll call
When you know I need some peace of mind
If you have to take sides with the animals
Won't you do it with one who is kind

And if the hawks in the trees need the dead
If you're living you don't stand a chance
For a time though you share the same bed
There are only two ends to this dance

You can flee with your wounds just in time or lie there as he feeds
Watching yourself ripped to shreds and laughing as you bleed

So for those of you falling in love keep it kind
Keep it good
Keep it right
Throw yourself in the midst of danger but keep one eye open at night

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Old 12-08-2008, 06:48 PM   #65
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Re: I wish

i agree UT
like sometimes i want alone time
with myself
or friends
i cant be with my gf 24/7
we would probly kill each otehr
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Old 12-08-2008, 06:50 PM   #66
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Re: I wish

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Merriam-Webster is neither a psychological, nor philosophical reference. First of all, if you are really in a selfless relationship, then why are you in a relationship at all. When you say you are in a selfless relationship, you are saying that you don't like him more than any other guy, so why did you choose him?
i am SO confused with how being selfless means i don't like him more than any other guy. jsut HOW does that match up?
Being selfless for one guy doesn't mean your selfless for ALL of them
Also like and love are different, i can like some one with out loving them, also i get the feeling you have a weird idea of what "liking" something is


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Love is selfish. You do what another person wants, but you don't forget about yourself in the process. Otherwise, you wouldn't want to be in a relationship, period.

You are missing my point. I realize that selfless love is unachievable, but the fact that Jesus said to love and be selfless at the same time is a contradiction. The Bible isn't supposed to give commands that contradict each other, especially when it is God himself decreeing them.
just because it's unacheivable for you doesn't mean it is for everyone
loving peopel IS being selfless. to be albe to think of soemone else before yourself IS love, don't you see?

also selflessness isn't forgetting yourself, you're not an empty shell that lives only for them, do you think that would make other people happy? who wants to love a corpse?

in oder to love people selflessly you need to trust people
I trust people to a fault, unfortunately, it's caused me some trouble, but i'ms till happy i loved the person, i'm happy that i made them happy




I think the main problem here is that we have different deffinitions of love, and neither of us will change what we feel about love.

this is fucking pointless, let's just argue about evolution while we're at it, that's pointless to!
or maybe our favoutire colours!
good idea right?

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Old 12-08-2008, 06:50 PM   #67
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It's not just thoughts about others, but sometimes I'd make decisions because they benefited me the most. *shrugs* I'd expect my man to do the same from time to time to secure his own happiness. I dunno, it's hard for me to imagine another person fulfilling me entirely because they are a separate individual. Anyway, I guess what I'm saying is I wouldn't rely on another person for total happiness. Aka they don't know me as well as I do. And for years to come, I think that's always going to be the case. Then again maybe I just don't see myself opening up that much.
Oh, I am not saying that they will just never please you or anything. What I am saying is that they could do lots of things for you, but they are doing it for your love and not because "it is for your own good."

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i am SO confused with how being selfless means i don't like him more than any other guy. jsut HOW does that match up?
Being selfless for one guy doesn't mean your selfless for ALL of them
Also like and love are different, i can like some one with out loving them, also i get the feeling you have a weird idea of what "liking" something is
We were talking about biblical contradictions and the fact that you can't love everyone selflessly.

Still, if you loved him selflessly then you wouldn't have any want to be in a relationship with him.

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just because it's unacheivable for you doesn't mean it is for everyone
loving peopel IS being selfless. to be albe to think of soemone else before yourself IS love, don't you see?

also selflessness isn't forgetting yourself, you're not an empty shell that lives only for them, do you think that would make other people happy? who wants to love a corpse?

in oder to love people selflessly you need to trust people
I trust people to a fault, unfortunately, it's caused me some trouble, but i'ms till happy i loved the person, i'm happy that i made them happy
Let us pick apart the word, "selfless." Self meaning yourself, and less meaning, well, less. You consider yourself, less than, that other. Automatically you want their exact values then. It doesn't matter if they completely contradict yours because you are still less than them. That is what selfless love is. A sacrifice of ones self as if he were a sacrificial animal for a religious service.
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Old 12-08-2008, 06:53 PM   #68
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i agree UT
like sometimes i want alone time
with myself
or friends
i cant be with my gf 24/7
we would probly kill each otehr
I know. I need my me-time. 8]

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Oh, I am not saying that they will just never please you or anything. What I am saying is that they could do lots of things for you, but they are doing it for your love and not because "it is for your own good."
Sometimes a person's motive consists of more than just one. ;]

Anyway, love is an investment of sorts. You invest yourself into another person. Your happiness becomes intertwined with theirs. So yeah, it's not entirely selfless.
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If the elephants have past lives yet are destined to always remember
It's no wonder how they scream
Like you and I they must have some temper

And I am dreaming of them on the plains
Dirtying up their beds
Watching for some sign of rain to cool their hot heads

And how dare that you send me that card when I'm doing all that I can do
You are forcing me to remember when all I want is to just forget you

If the tiger shall protect her young then tell me how did you slip by
All my instincts have failed me for once
I must have somehow slept the whole night

And I am dreaming of them with their kill
Tearing it all apart
Blood dripping from their lips and teeth sinking into heart

And how dare that you say you'll call
When you know I need some peace of mind
If you have to take sides with the animals
Won't you do it with one who is kind

And if the hawks in the trees need the dead
If you're living you don't stand a chance
For a time though you share the same bed
There are only two ends to this dance

You can flee with your wounds just in time or lie there as he feeds
Watching yourself ripped to shreds and laughing as you bleed

So for those of you falling in love keep it kind
Keep it good
Keep it right
Throw yourself in the midst of danger but keep one eye open at night


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Old 12-08-2008, 06:54 PM   #69
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ill give you some "me"-time
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Old 12-08-2008, 06:56 PM   #70
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Oh-ho. ;]
We're bout to take a 20 min break, bbs gais. 8]
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If the elephants have past lives yet are destined to always remember
It's no wonder how they scream
Like you and I they must have some temper

And I am dreaming of them on the plains
Dirtying up their beds
Watching for some sign of rain to cool their hot heads

And how dare that you send me that card when I'm doing all that I can do
You are forcing me to remember when all I want is to just forget you

If the tiger shall protect her young then tell me how did you slip by
All my instincts have failed me for once
I must have somehow slept the whole night

And I am dreaming of them with their kill
Tearing it all apart
Blood dripping from their lips and teeth sinking into heart

And how dare that you say you'll call
When you know I need some peace of mind
If you have to take sides with the animals
Won't you do it with one who is kind

And if the hawks in the trees need the dead
If you're living you don't stand a chance
For a time though you share the same bed
There are only two ends to this dance

You can flee with your wounds just in time or lie there as he feeds
Watching yourself ripped to shreds and laughing as you bleed

So for those of you falling in love keep it kind
Keep it good
Keep it right
Throw yourself in the midst of danger but keep one eye open at night

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Old 12-08-2008, 06:56 PM   #71
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Now RNB, your definition of selfishness if you could.
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Old 12-08-2008, 06:57 PM   #72
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Oh-ho. ;]
We're bout to take a 20 min break, bbs gais. 8]
i take mroe then 20 mins =/
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Old 12-08-2008, 06:59 PM   #73
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Now RNB, your definition of selfishness if you could.
Concern with one's own interests.
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Old 12-08-2008, 07:01 PM   #74
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Any level of concern whatsoever or just solely concerned?
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Old 12-08-2008, 07:05 PM   #75
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Well take however long you need, I'll keep up Bal. 8]

6n6 has a point. Concern doesn't automatically equal selfishness. I always viewed selfishness to really be an act that not only puts your interest above others, but kinda slaps other people in the face while it's at it. 8]
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If the elephants have past lives yet are destined to always remember
It's no wonder how they scream
Like you and I they must have some temper

And I am dreaming of them on the plains
Dirtying up their beds
Watching for some sign of rain to cool their hot heads

And how dare that you send me that card when I'm doing all that I can do
You are forcing me to remember when all I want is to just forget you

If the tiger shall protect her young then tell me how did you slip by
All my instincts have failed me for once
I must have somehow slept the whole night

And I am dreaming of them with their kill
Tearing it all apart
Blood dripping from their lips and teeth sinking into heart

And how dare that you say you'll call
When you know I need some peace of mind
If you have to take sides with the animals
Won't you do it with one who is kind

And if the hawks in the trees need the dead
If you're living you don't stand a chance
For a time though you share the same bed
There are only two ends to this dance

You can flee with your wounds just in time or lie there as he feeds
Watching yourself ripped to shreds and laughing as you bleed

So for those of you falling in love keep it kind
Keep it good
Keep it right
Throw yourself in the midst of danger but keep one eye open at night

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