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Old 12-19-2008, 04:32 AM   #1
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Discussion about Madara and Pain

Okey, we will discuss Madara and Pain. People have diffrent opinions about who is the strongest.

For me its obvious that Madara is stronger, he wouldn't be the leader of Akatsuki otwerwise and second of all Itachi said these words " The only person who can surpass him, surpass the INVINCIBLE Madara and achieve true immortality is me. "

All credit to the Rin'egan but I dont belive that he is stronger than Madara.

So what do you think?

edit: in the past chapter 429 we saw Pain in real action, and he is really, really strong. I can't wait to see what Madara would be like.
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Old 12-19-2008, 06:04 AM   #2
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Re: Discussion about Madara and Pain

i said: control over the field of combat gives u the control over the combat itself
and tobi has the highest mobility so far
and thats just for the starts
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Old 12-19-2008, 12:17 PM   #3
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Re: Discussion about Madara and Pain

Well actually Pain is the leader of akatsuki. Madara isnt technically the leader. I still think Pain is stronger but thats me.
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Old 12-19-2008, 12:35 PM   #4
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Re: Discussion about Madara and Pain

madara is obviously stronger then pain cause pain is about to die pain is a failed experiment made by kishi to have naruto get to jiraiya's level and kill him.. i still say naruto is not close to jiraiya but he's strong enough to kill this guy.
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Old 12-19-2008, 12:40 PM   #5
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Re: Discussion about Madara and Pain

i think naruto would lose to the six bodies of pein. but maybe he can win if they fight now, now that pein is tired.
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Old 12-19-2008, 01:12 PM   #6
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Re: Discussion about Madara and Pain

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madara is obviously stronger then pain cause pain is about to die pain is a failed experiment made by kishi to have naruto get to jiraiya's level and kill him.. i still say naruto is not close to jiraiya but he's strong enough to kill this guy.
Considering we're now lead to believe that Naruto is tossing advanced rasengans about - Naruto is now arguably better since he's been able to enter perfect sage mode AND do it while on the move - AND take a skill not even the 4th was able to accomplish and push it farther. Theres something to be said about all this.

All we have to go by is what we're lead to believe from all his training as of late. That and possibly how he handles himself against an overbearing Pain.
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Old 12-19-2008, 02:48 PM   #7
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Re: Discussion about Madara and Pain

Madara

Let's see the two, shall we...

Pain:
-Calls himself a God
-Has rinnegan
-There is 6 of them
-Each body can use ONLY ONE tehnique
-To preform his most powerful attack he must lose 5(or less) of his paths
-Has a crazy amount of chakra
-Has rly crazy tehniques

Madara:
-Immortal
-Has EMS
-Once upon a time he was the leader of Uchiha clan
-Can/could control Kyuubi
-Survived Amaterasu
-Moves as fast as the 4th, only better
-Can't get hit by attacks(like rasengan)
-Can't go blind
-Has an insane amount of chakra
-Is/was a mizukage
-Leader of Akatsuki

Hmmm...wonder who is more powerful.

Madara has been here since...the beginning of time(LOL).

He is way to fast for Pain, so far there hasn't been a jutsu that hit him(beside Amaterasu but he somehow survived unharmed), has EMS...yep Madara.

He could easly take out all but God Pain and then God Pain would use his Shinra Tensei, Madara would just teleport himself to saftey and while Pain will be like ''WTF?'' Madara would just...kill him with...uhm...kunai?
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Re: Discussion about Madara and Pain

Pain's a poor excuse for a ninja !
Madara is what being an EVIL NINJA is all about.
He's way faster than pain, can do alot more attacks than pain without special condsitions etc
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Pain's a poor excuse for a ninja !
Madara is what being an EVIL NINJA is all about.
He's way faster than pain, can do alot more attacks than pain without special condsitions etc
You have no idea what madara can do since he hasnt done a damn thing since he returned cept for the space time thing and i wasnt all that impressed since shino made him run with his tail between his legs.

@ DGLG on your points on madara - 1.You have no clue if he is immortal so far Oro has been the only one to accomplish that
2. He shows no signs of still having ems and doesnt matter if he does since rinnegan > sharingan
3. leader that got kicked out by the uchihas not a good feat.
4. Could not still can cause it hasnt been shown that he can like he isnt shown he still has ems.. if he could i am sure he would get the kyubbi himself.
5. survived ameratsu well so did karin but that dont make her great. She even got long hair out of it.
6. cant get hit by rasengan.. how do you know he can't
7. not sure about the blind part.. again he isnt shown to have ems still
8. how do you know how much chakra he has.. so does Pain
9. only point i see thats right on
10. No Pain is the leader of akatsuki as it has been stated many times in the manga and i think even madara said it.

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Old 12-19-2008, 04:26 PM   #10
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Re: Discussion about Madara and Pain

How can so many people just assume madara can pwn pain? We have seen what pain can do, but tobi=madara? weve seen one jutsu and it seemed limited. If madara was so powerful he wouldnt of lost to the first and need pain to do what he could only dream of doing.
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How can so many people just assume madara can pwn pain? We have seen what pain can do, but tobi=madara? weve seen one jutsu and it seemed limited. If madara was so powerful he wouldnt of lost to the first and need pain to do what he could only dream of doing.
Because, so far, we havn't seen any attack that reach Madara.. with his Space-time jutsu he could avoid f.ex. Deidara attack.. that makes him some-how immortal.. (of course there must be a way to beat him, but we don;t know it yet).. And the fact that he lost to the first- a lot of time pust since that day..so maybe this space-time jutsu was learnt after the battle with rhe first...
We haven't seen any Madara's attack, but his deffence is the best in manga, as for now..


i don't know who's better.. maybe there are equal ? just like their position in aka ;]
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Because, so far, we havn't seen any attack that reach Madara.. with his Space-time jutsu he could avoid f.ex. Deidara attack.. that makes him some-how immortal.. (of course there must be a way to beat him, but we don;t know it yet).. And the fact that he lost to the first- a lot of time pust since that day..so maybe this space-time jutsu was learnt after the battle with rhe first...
We haven't seen any Madara's attack, but his deffence is the best in manga, as for now..


i don't know who's better.. maybe there are equal ? just like their position in aka ;]
yes, narutos rasengan went through tobi like through thin air. unlike the case with hell pein who gets pwnd by konohamarus rasengan.........
im just provoking
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yes, narutos rasengan went through tobi like through thin air. unlike the case with hell pein who gets pwnd by konohamarus rasengan.........
im just provoking
I dont even remember that happening?
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If I had to guess what tobis power is, I would say he has the ability to manipulate matter. Example:he cause naruto rasengan to go through him by making the matter around his torso expand leaving an empty space, he made the matter of his arm contract causing it to be hard as steel "when he blocked suigetsus sword attack", he was able to break down the amaterasu by contracting the particals making the amaterasu cool down until it went out. "heat is caused by particals moving rapidly, if tobi contracted the paticals making them slow down and ultimatly come to a halt, it would disperse the amaterasu".

You heard it hear, Tobi manipulates matter!

Also, for his T/S justu. He can break down into a light particals and move that way.

I should turn this theory inot a thread

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Re: Discussion about Madara and Pain

We have Pain who has never lost a fight and has beaten the renowed Hanzou, who was considered during the time to be the most powerful shinobi alive. Hanzou defeated Jiraiya, Orochimaru, and Tsunade, yet Pain was able to invade Hanzou's village, kill his militia, eradicate Hanzou himself, and burned the village down to the ground. Pain also holds the Rinnegan, which is considered the most powerful of eye inheirtances. Pain is regarded as a God by his people and has an entire military force under his will. Pain's goal in life the capture of all tailed beasts so he could unleash pain across the world, supposedly speeding up the world's growth. He is also a self-styled God.

Madara has been around for a long time. He surived countless battles with the Senju clan, and was regarded as the second most powerful shinobi of his time, being under Harashima. Marada was the leader of the Uchiha clan and was considered the most powerful, possesing the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan and having the ability to control the power of the Kyuubi. However, his own comrades betrayed him, and in order to regain control of his people and oppose Senju, Madara attempted to take down Harashima. Madara lost to a non-sharingan user, yet Madara still had the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan. Madara was casted out, and considered dead for generations and generations. He was blamed for the Kyuubi attack 16 years ago, yet he denies it, although not wanting to acknowledge the fact that the 4th Hokage stopped him. Madara hides in the shadows and uses Akatuski for his bidding. Madara's goal is to use Sasuke and to obtain the Kyuubi. Madara wants the revive the true power of himself, and the sharingan.

I'm all for both of these unreasonably powerful villians. But when I look at the background histories of both, Madara seems to be a has been trying to reclaim his glory for mistakes he made in the past. Pain, well so far, he has a clean record and is pretty much raping, shitting, and slashing what was once considered one of the most powerful shinobi villages if not, the most powerful.

All of Madara's attempts in life has failed. Madara's just a flashy attempt of a failure, Pain a destined failure, with lesser flaws.lol Although I'm still not quite sure who'd win in a battle, but Madara is powerful nonetheless, he just lack presence...
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