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Old 12-22-2008, 06:38 AM   #1
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Pain may or may not be a true ninja.

1. When we see Nagato, Konan, and Yahiko they were just kids around narutos age maybe younger as you can see they have no headbands which implies they are'nt ninjas.
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2. When we see Konan years later fighting Jiraya. again we see no headband which implies shes not a real ninja.
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3. Since we do not ever see Nagato who is Pain we dont know whether he has a forehead protector or not. But im willing to bet he doesnt and that he has no real ninja skills at all. Thats proably the reason why he hides in the shadows using corpses to fight for him rather than himself. If i remember correctly the rinnegan is source behind ninja jutsus and such. So why wouldnt he fight in person with the corpses? My guess is he is'nt efficient in Ninja Combat and proably never even became a Genin or if he has he never got to chuunin. I got him being like the guy behind the curtains in the Wizard of Oz, alot of smoke in mirrors type of sh*t.

I dont know maybe im crazy but i dont think Pain is really a skilled ninja at all or else he would be fighting in person.

What do you think?
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Old 12-22-2008, 07:11 AM   #2
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Re: Pain may or may not be a true ninja.

Very likely but it doesn't mean he isn't good at ninja stuff. :P

My theory is he isn't an official ninja made by any form of government. Basically he is self-employed and has no rank and doesn't really need anything like ranks villages etc.
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Re: Pain may or may not be a true ninja.

He might be a coward or an ego maniac who likes to think that fighting in person is below him, as he is "God".
I would say it's both. The latter one first applies, then when you think about it, why would he hide his real self and say that he has a "secret"? So, IMO, it's both.
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Old 12-22-2008, 11:17 AM   #4
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Re: Pain may or may not be a true ninja.

I think Pain is as skilled as they come. He shows that he is a strategist in combat and it takes a lot of skills to defeat some of his previos opponents. I think what Pain show us is his ability to do all types of jutsu. I think that everything Jiraiya has shown us in his fight with PAin and through his flashbacks tell us that PAin is a very skilled ninja. Those kids had elemental jutsus at a very young age. We know how hard that is. Pain uses his bodies as tools to perform a duties. I think he waits in the shadows because he doesnt have to come out. I think Naruto could use his clones in the same way if he chose to that is...then when and if he has to come out it is really over.

Pain's country was destroyed by war prior to him meeting up with Jiraiya so he wouldnt have to have on a headband because he belonged to no village at that time. Jiraiya taught them how to fight so they didnt go to an academy to get promoted. That is the reason why they do not wear headbands...
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Re: Pain may or may not be a true ninja.

Just because he hasnt shown himself doesnt mean he is a coward and it doesnt mean he dont have any skill's. He controls 6 bodies at a time and can replace them if need be. Why come out and fight when you have others who can do it for you.. Maybe when he is controlling the bodies he isnt in full control in the moment and is vulnerable. At least he does fight and dont go and completely hide and not fight at all like Danzou. Thats a coward. Using one of your abilites to fight even if its not you fighting with your own personally body isnt being a coward or less skilled. You guys are acting like he is just laying in the Bahama's while his 6 paths do the dirty work for him like he isnt taking any damage at all from the fighting even when konan said that jutsu Yahiko used shortened his life span so its not like he isnt taking any hits.

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Old 12-22-2008, 12:46 PM   #6
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Re: Pain may or may not be a true ninja.

@narutologist thats because jiraiya taught them elemental ninjutsu they didn't know crap which also makes me say jiraiya had knowledge to 4 elements.

He used dotan and katon as his primary and he taught water and wind to nagato and yahiko that makes 4 . i just re read the chapters on the flashbacks and was amazed at that.
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Just because he hasnt shown himself doesnt mean he is a coward and it doesnt mean he dont have any skill's. He controls 6 bodies at a time and can replace them if need be. Why come out and fight when you have others who can do it for you.. Maybe when he is controlling the bodies he isnt in full control in the moment and is vulnerable. At least he does fight and dont go and completely hide and not fight at all like Danzou. Thats a coward. Using one of your abilites to fight even if its not you fighting with your own personally body isnt being a coward or less skilled. You guys are acting like he is just laying in the Bahama's while his 6 paths do the dirty work for him like he isnt taking any damage at all from the fighting even when konan said that jutsu Yahiko used shortened his life span so its not like he isnt taking any hits.
Oh, no.
He is very skillful, I didn't say that he isn't. Pain is multitasking. That feat is impossible for a human being. He is an awesome tactician. Both his offense and defense are flawless. His reactions are lightning fast.

But he IS a coward and a real emo. The jutsu that shortens his life...so what? Naruto's jutsu destroys his own arm. The fact that Nagato isn't out there in the open, fighting, is proof enough that he is a coward.
Unless he is unable to fight, and cannot go out himself.
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Re: Pain may or may not be a true ninja.

How can he have no real ninja skills when he was trained by Jiraiya? Pain is the leader of the rain which is a small shinobi village so yes Pain would be considered a ninja. Your thread fails.
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@narutologist thats because jiraiya taught them elemental ninjutsu they didn't know crap which also makes me say jiraiya had knowledge to 4 elements.

He used dotan and katon as his primary and he taught water and wind to nagato and yahiko that makes 4 . i just re read the chapters on the flashbacks and was amazed at that.
That's my point...jiraiya was his teacher so he definitely has skills. Kakashi taught naruto how to use he wind nature but that doesnt mean kakashi can use wind nature...I'm not saying it isnt possible but i would be pissed if jiraiya knew how to use all four nature manipulations and didnt show any of them to naruto in two years...
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Old 12-22-2008, 02:43 PM   #10
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Re: Pain may or may not be a true ninja.

The real nagato should he exist has to have skill Jiraiya taught them both elemental ninjutsu he also has the advantage of being able to use 5 elements lol i still can't believe jiraiya had knowledge over 4 elements thats something else.

However as a whole pain isn't impressive to the greats who ca,e before him his abilities have been created by others and done better, his offense and defense is only as good as long as his bodies are with him if you remember when jiraiya was fighting 3 at once he said"he wastes no movements" true he doesn't but only because he has 3 bodies working at once to deflect see or attack. Once he was split up he became like a newb in front of jiraiya who easily picked them apart.

His greatest technique is something deidara invented without shortening his life span his genjutsu ability is a copy of itachi's susanoo cept a weaker version his soul stealing ability is a copy of mianto's personal jutsu his mind reading ability is a copy of ino's fathers jutsu and demon realm pain is a modified version of kankuro's puppets or sasori's whom also use weapons to fight and have ugly faces and body parts.

He isn;t original nor are his abilties also if there is a real nagato then he is a coawrd why not fight hismelf and easily kill off his opponents i would assume a man who uses 5 elements can easily take care of a fight.

But he can't i'll explain why. jiraiya taught them jutsu yes but he didn't teach em anything else these kids were alone from their childhood they haven't the slightest clue of more then a basic tacticle plans for fighting he relies on rinnegans power to win and his secret what true skill has he really shown that can set him as a great None.
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That's my point...jiraiya was his teacher so he definitely has skills. Kakashi taught naruto how to use he wind nature but that doesnt mean kakashi can use wind nature...I'm not saying it isnt possible but i would be pissed if jiraiya knew how to use all four nature manipulations and didnt show any of them to naruto in two years...
what naruto did wasn't futton elemental jutsu he added his element to make a futon jutsu he didn't create an elemental attack as in wind slicer or anything else of that matter those jutsu must be taught to you by someone.

You cannot show a person water dragon blast without knowing it jutsu's as raw elemtns such as great fireball water dragon wind slicer have to be taught which is how i know jiriaya knew em why he did't teach naruto any elemntal jutsu is beyond me. could also be kishis didn't know what he was oing at that point with the al yet.
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Re: Pain may or may not be a true ninja.

Well I'm assuming we're talking about Nagato rather than the Six Paths of Pain. Well during Yahiko, Konan, and Nagato's three year long training session, neither of them were officially categorized as shinobi per say, as they were orphans that did not take part in any kind of ninja academy. But even so, I wouldn't say Nagato is unskilled however as Jiraiya was their sensei. Based on what Jiraiya explains about Nagato's general ability, he was able to master every jutsu that Jiraiya taught him, and possessing the Rinnegan, allowed him to use and perform all six different chakra manipulations exceptionally well at the age of 10. So basically, Nagato was genius even at that young age.

If Nagato's physical being still exists, I don't think it would be too fair to say that he's unskilled. The Rinnegan probably allows him to take control of corpses, forcing them to fight on his behalf. However I'm not sure if the splitting and distribution of abilities is a trait of the Rinnegan, but it just might be. Dividing his power into bodies and using six different viewing angles to punish his opponents may be a secret kinjusu developed by Nagato over a period of years.

The Rinnegan is stated to be a sign of creation and destruction. It is a tool which could revive the world from ruin or lead it to devastation. Perhaps Nagato wanted to preserve his status as a controller, a ruler, in essance, a God. By doing this he would have to hide in the shadows and result to his developed kinjutsu "The Six Paths of Pain".

The six pains are probably just measures to ensure his immortality, as he can continuously revive the dead on his behalf and divide his abilities among six bodies. So the true way to fight Nagato, is to determine his whearabouts. However we don't know how powerful Nagato may have come since his age of 10. His chakras and abilities may be extremely horrifiying. However the flip side, would be that his life is capable of being at risk.
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Pain may or may not be a true ninja? That's like stating Daniel-san was or wasn't a real martial artist since Mr. Miyagi didn't teach him a traditional dojo environment. Nagato was taught (thoroughly, I might add) by another ninja, therefore, he's a ninja himself (Konan as well).
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Re: Pain may or may not be a true ninja.

When the real Negato is revealed I'm willing to bet Kishi makes him out to be something the readers have never seen before. You will not have to answer a question such as is he a ninja or not...He will be "God like"(in the narutoverse at least).
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Well I'm assuming we're talking about Nagato rather than the Six Paths of Pain. Well during Yahiko, Konan, and Nagato's three year long training session, neither of them were officially categorized as shinobi per say, as they were orphans that did not take part in any kind of ninja academy. But even so, I wouldn't say Nagato is unskilled however as Jiraiya was their sensei. Based on what Jiraiya explains about Nagato's general ability, he was able to master every jutsu that Jiraiya taught him, and possessing the Rinnegan, allowed him to use and perform all six different chakra manipulations exceptionally well at the age of 10. So basically, Nagato was genius even at that young age.
Except Pain cannot use 6 chakra types no such thing u mean 5 as to what the data book says its only 5 kishi wrote it himself ya know. There's nothing special about being a genius at that age yamato graduated the academy at 5 years of age kakashi became a chunnin at 6 years of age it makes no difference at how good you are when ur a kid it matters if u can carry that to your adult hood and he obviously didn't proof for that is the way he fights. He never has a game plan cept a basic one. when fighting 1 on 1 he is really weak and can barely do anything god pain aka nagato fights decent because he is the main body and even if he isn't he was made the strongest body the other 5 are pathetic it's just that pain fights weaklings and he looks strong. Jiriaya was the only credible win he has an he need all 6 bodies to win and he needed that much against a 1 armed jiraiya had jiraiya known he could come back to life after using toad genjutsu those 6 would be 6 feet under right now and konoha would be appearing at nagato's door assuming the god pain isn't nagato. There isn't anything special about him his rinnegan and secret makes him strong no secret = weak ninja.



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if you're powerful why not go out and murder people yourself either way nobody would be a match for you madara fights himself when needed minato took out armies all alone why because they are skilled and powerful and truly great true power is meant to be used which leads me to believe a yahiko pain is nagato b nagato is a coward.

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The six pains are probably just measures to ensure his immortality, as he can continuously revive the dead on his behalf and divide his abilities among six bodies. So the true way to fight Nagato, is to determine his whearabouts. However we don't know how powerful Nagato may have come since his age of 10. His chakras and abilities may be extremely horrifiying. However the flip side, would be that his life is capable of being at risk.
if you are strong you shouldn't worry about dying pain saying distinctiveness that jiraiya could have kileld him proves that he is weaker then him which also proves this nagato since the age of 10 hasn't done anything productive other then tail the shinobi jiraiya obliterated back in the day and use them to fight while his ass is safe from being killed.


Nexus - so 3 years of training is what you call thoroughly jiriaya had jutsu he taught them the jutsu since he has a rinnegan he has a cheating start because he can learn those attacks easily end of discussion.

Narutologist- when the real pain is revealed if he hasn't been yet i give you my word he will be a pathetic ninja not even close to a great that is shodaime sarutobi minato madara nidaime. his plans are already stupid his purpose of living and his life style contradicts itself and his abilties are all un original and they were performed/created by other weaker ppl and better i may add.

There's not one thing pain has done that makes me say damn thats nice. because we have already seen it all even reving the dead if he can orochiamru did that cept oro's summons can't be kiled at all pains can.
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