ShinobiKnight

Fuck yeah Mal, fuck yeah LN, FUCK YEAH AMERICA!

Hanz, you're proving how ridiculously biased you are. I know already that you're at least a Muslim (don't know if you're Palestinian or not), which understandably biases you toward Palestine, which makes your opinion on the matter irrelevant because it's skewed.
I may have missed someting, but I saw no mention of Palestinian rockets in any of your posts. Or of any of the atrocities Palestine has committed in this war. All I've seen is how the Israelis are terrorists, and they kill babies, and similar bullshit.

Now if Israel has indeed committed war crimes, I fully support them receiving their due. But in this conflict, no one is innocent. And since my country is allied with Israel and not Palestine, I'll side with Israel.

Also, lol@CIAbrainwashing.

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Kina

War, abuse and torture is everywhere, why aren't you crying about that, too? Humans don't realize the true value of human life. It's easy to sit back and so, 'Ohhh, that's terrible! Stoooop!' However, realistically, it'll be a while before it's resolved and when it is, Israel has signed the Geneva Convention and they'll eventually have to answer for wrong doing. You can't bring about world peace by signing a paper. If you really want to get it done, buy a gun. As Theodore Rooselvet believed, and I believe, the Big Stick policy is best.

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ShinobiKnight

^ To add to that, the only reason signing papers is ever effective is because those papers are enforced by men with guns.

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Kina

And countries with nukes. Ah, nukes. <3

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Mal

For an excellent real-world example of the Big Stick policy, look at Gun Control: The bad guys are going to get guns even if it's illegal. If the good guys don't have guns to protect themselves, guess what's going to happen? Why do you think school shootings often end in so many dead? I've heard of one school shooting that ended abruptly when one of the teachers ran to his car to retrieve his gun. Unfortunately I can't find a link to it at the moment, but the point stands:

If you knew there was a chance every other person in the bank with you had a gun, would you still try to rob it? You'd be an idiot to do it.

LonelyNinja

If your neighboring street mortars your house, you have two options: sit around and take it like a bitch until other people take their sweet time talking (negotiating ceasefires) or are you going to your neighbors' street and kick some mortar-possessing ass (what Israel is doing)? Israel's position has always been "If you fuck with me then you fuck with my entire arsenal." It's not like they lured then sucker punched Hamas.

senju naruto

i only said that if those countries were agressed by a foreign country like israiel did to palistine i will support them though i disagree with there ideology i will support them becouse no one have the right to agress onther country or interfere in in its inside affaires
and when i said that we only changed president twice in 60 year i was saying that i live in a dictatorship exactly like china and northkorea so if there is someone that dont know what opression and torture are it will be you but i 'd rather being tortured or killed by the hand of my goverment then being "liberated" by the us army and that is the case of the majority of people of china and north korea becouse in my eyes the sovreinity of my country comes before my personal rights and if i was selfish like u said then i will only care about my rights and not about the future of my nation
and for the picture if you are saying that that soldier was in position of legitime defence becouse that litllle kid was staring at him then yeah you have a lot of logic
and @lonelyninja if you beleive that israel is the victime in this war then you have a serious problem in your logic and ability to analyse facts and i wasnt trying to get u off guard i was just advising u to get a life becouse u seems antisocial and emo becouse u insulted the human kind
and back to the topic i m aware that the petition will have no effect in stoping the war becouse it will only be stoped by the war of armageddon
but it will at least help to give the western society the truth about what was really going on in palistine and for the record hamas are not the bad guys here becouse they are defending their land and their right to live and israel is the criminal in this war becouse she only killed innocent children and women (1207 person atm and most of them were children and women and only 10 were hamas fighters ) and for hamas they only killed 10 soldier so i dont understand how u are saying that israel is the victim when u see by your own eyes what she is doing in gaza

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Hanz86

SK, try to look at reality...Hamas's rocket attacked just begin no more than a years before...but Israel terrorist always slay Palestine since 60 years ago...this is the reality..Just look what happen to Yasser Arafat, Aziz Rantisi and many more Palestine leader which kill by Israel BEFORE HAMAS DECIDE TO LAUCHED ROCKET ATTACKS TO ISRAEL...Hamas rocket attacked was justification used by Israel to Holocaust Palestine people....
Here are the HISTORY OF ISRAEL CRIME..

1. 13 December 1947 - Muslim village Yehida were attacked by a group of Israel extreamist who disguise themself as British soldier..

2. 1 January 1948 - Nearly 200 Israel Terrorist with Machine-Gun and grenade invade Al-Sheikh village (5 Km Southwest of Haifa) kills several people including women and children

3. 9 April 1948 - Through Unity Operation, three Israel Terrorist Organization..Haganah, Irgun & Stern unite and invade Deir Yassin Village...250 Arabian were killed including 25 pregnent women and children..

4. 8 September 1982 - 3000 women and children were killed without mercy in Shabra & Shatilla refugee camp by Israel army lead by Ex-Israel Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon...

there are many more accident which proved that Israel always bully Palestine people but UN still cant do nothing since your country always backup-up any Israel Crime...US call themself as "World Police" but yet their closest Ally is the no.1 World Criminal...

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LonelyNinja

Israel is a victim of circumstances. They're a Jewish nation in the middle of extremist Islam (I know extremist Islam isn't all over the Middle East, but it's still there). Also, Israel is sort of the victim because Hamas struck first. So ha ha ha, ha ha, ha.

I'm sorry, what? Because I think humanity is a cancer that means I need a life and that I'm emo? That just shows me that you don't have much else to say other than try to hurt my feelings with the hope that I'll back off. Again, it's not working.

Dude, the truth of the matter is is that the whole situation is impossible to resolve. There's no way we'll be able to stop the war unless either party is completely obliterated, and even then that's highly improbable. Hamas is defending Gaza because Israel decided to invade after Hamas launched rockets into Israel. Israel follows the "best defense is a good offense" idea, and it always works for them. There are so many civilian casualties because Hamas's strategy is using them as human shields with the hope that no one will launch rockets. Well, Israel's calling their bullshit and is bombing the area in general, not specific targets. Israel has to show this kind of force because any sign of weakness will rally together all of its enemies and they'll invade and try to wipe them out. But you probably don't have a problem with that, do you? No, as long as Jews are slaughtered and killed it's totally alright, even if they have the right to their own way of life.

Hamas brought this shit upon themselves:

Hamas launched rockets first.

Nah, this has nothing to do with Israel vs. Hamas, but for fuck's sake, you guys are saying "Israel is the bad guy, boo hoo" and yet you attack Jews who have NOTHING to do with the conflict! How the FUCK do you expect people to listen to you if you pull that hypocritical bullshit?!

See?! Hamas is hiding amongst the civilians to try to force Israel into holding back, but if Israel did that then Hamas would have no problem at all with shooting back. Face it, Hamas is the one who's more at fault than Israel.

(Article: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28404637/)

@Hanz- This is a fucking Goddamn WAR. People die. I can absolutely guarantee you that if Palestine managed to invade Israel the Palestinian soldiers would gladly slaughter Israeli women and children. Just because Israel is kicking major ass and is being smart about it doesn't mean they're the only ones who would. If you kill the future generation of your enemy then they won't be able to continue their forefathers' jihad or whatever it just happens to be. Oh, here, I'll make a list of Hamas-related terrorist attacks:

# The 1 June 2001 suicide bombing of a Tel Aviv discotheque, in which 21 people were murdered and 120 were wounded;
# The 9 August 2001 suicide bombing of a Jerusalem restaurant, in which 15 people were murdered and 130 were wounded;
# The 1 December 2001 double suicide bombing on the Ben Yehuda Street pedestrian mall in Jerusalem, in which 11 people were murdered and 188 were wounded;
# The 2 December 2001 suicide bombing of a #16 bus in Haifa, in which 15 people were murdered and 40 were wounded;
# The 9 March 2002 suicide bombing of a Jerusalem cafe, in which 11 people were murdered and 54 were wounded;
# The 27 March 2002 suicide bombing of a Netanya hotel on the first night of Passover, in which 30 people were murdered and 140 were wounded;
# The 18 June 2002 suicide bombing of a #32A bus in Jerusalem, in which 19 people were murdered and 74 were wounded;
# The 4 August 2002 suicide bombing of #361 bus at Meron junction, in which nine people were murdered and 50 were wounded;
# The 21 November 2002 suicide bombing of a #20 bus in Jerusalem, in which 11 people were murdered and 50 were wounded;
# The 5 March 2003 suicide bombing of a #37 bus in Haifa, in which 17 people were murdered and 53 were wounded;
# The 17 May 2003 suicide bombing in Hebron, in which two people were murdered;
# The 18 May 2003 suicide bombing of a #6 bus in Jerusalem, in which seven people were murdered and 20 wounded;
# The 11 June 2003 suicide bombing of #14A bus in Jerusalem, in which 11 people were murdered and over 100 were wounded;
# The 19 August 2003 suicide bombing of a #2 bus in Jerusalem, in which 23 people were murdered and over 130 were wounded;
# The 9 September 2003 suicide bombing of a hitchhiking post near the IDF base at Tzrifin, in which nine soldiers were murdered and 10 were wounded;
# The 9 September 2003 suicide bombing of a Jerusalem cafe, in which seven people were murdered and 70 were wounded;
# The 29 January 2004 suicide bombing of a #19 bus in Jerusalem, in which 11 people were murdered and 44 were wounded;
# The 14 March 2004 double suicide bombing at Ashdod port, in which 10 people were murdered and 16 were wounded.
# On Aug 31, 2004 16 people were killed and 100 wounded in two suicide bombings within minutes of each other on two Beersheba city buses, on route nos. 6 and 12.
Shitloads more here, too: http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Terrorism-...orism+sinc.htm
See, Palestinian forces have killed Israeli women and children, too. Don't call out Israel for doing the same.

You had to go all the way back into the forties. This is just 2000 to 2004. Enjoy.

senju naruto

how is that possible ? they attacked us occupied our holy land killled our children and women and brothers and u say that we attacked first ,hamas r definding thier home and yeah like u said before ,when someone take away your home then hell yeah u will bombard him
well you insulted the human kind and espicially my nation then yeah i will hurt your feellings but not to make u back off but just to hurt your feelings and why would i try to make u back off u didnt say any thing usefull

where did u get that idea ? they r lunching rockets from thier land ,do u expect that they will lunch rockets from space,thats what they got and israel have no excuse to kill civilians that way and for the record they even bombarded un building that served as shelter to the palistines civilians and emblem of the un was written above it but they neglected it and bombard

yeah when u see your brothers and sisters slaughtered in front of your eyes and the national community is doing shit about it u will try to get justice by
your own hands it is a natural reaction (i dont agree with it but i understand)
and u expect me to take the word of Condaleeza Rice the modern incarnation of the devil

of course it is a war and people die but it is overkilling
wow what was i thinking , hamas killed 255 person in 4 years and isarael killed 1300 person in 23 day of course hamas are the heartless criminlas here
and u can go back in the israel crimes too they killled 3000 person in sabbra &shatilla alone

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Mal

I'll leave the full response up to LN, as he is doing a phenomenal job with this, but I have a few points I'd like to make:

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Originally Posted by senju naruto how is that possible ? they attacked us occupied our holy land killled our children and women and brothers and u say that we attacked first ,hamas r definding thier home and yeah like u said before ,when someone take away your home then hell yeah u will bombard him

Check it:

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Originally Posted by Wikipedia ... The Jewish community accepted the plan, but the Arab League and Arab Higher Committee rejected it. On December 1, 1947 the Arab Higher Committee proclaimed a 3-day strike, and Arab bands began attacking Jewish targets. Civil war began with the Jews initially on the defensive but gradually moving into offence. The Palestinian-Arab economy collapsed and 250,000 Palestinian-Arabs fled or were expelled. On May 14, 1948, the day before the end of the British Mandate, the Jewish Agency proclaimed independence, naming the country Israel. The following day five Arab countries – Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon and Iraq –invaded Israel, launching the 1948 Arab-Israeli War. via Wikipedia

These cases don't directly relate to the current situation, but the trend sticks throughout the conflicts.

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and u expect me to take the word of Condaleeza Rice the modern incarnation of the devil

And you expect us to take you seriously after this comment?

senju naruto

[QUOTE=Mal;1642586][COLOR="Lime"]I'll leave the full response up to LN, as he is doing a phenomenal job with this, but I have a few points I'd like to make:
so if someone come to your country and buy your land and declare it indepandent and install his own systeme will u let it happen and sit back and do nothing while he is buying your homeland?

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kluang

Meh. Its all the palestinian and arabs fault.

Me, I'm a Muslim and maybe from the same place as hanz or maybe I wish living in Japan and those Japanese hot school girl........

Back to the point.

Is the palestinan and arabs fault.

1. Hamas and Fatah is fighting.

2. Hamas got bomb to stone age that what I heard, but I never heard anyone mention Fatah. Where is Fatah? Patah?

3. Israeli is well arm with high tech expensive weapon, I dunno how and where they got the money from, maybe from philosophers legacy or maybe some nation supply them with taxes charge, I dunno

4. The Arabs. Yeah the stupid arabs who close their border and do nothing but sit in a room talking and talking and mocking. Then talk again. Stupidatol arabia. Cut their penis hang at the border and their beards.

5. Then again if they fucking hate those Jews,(like most sane people does) unite for god sake, no Fatah Patah or Hamas or whatever damn movement there. Join as one. Palestinans Green Kopiah Army of Freedom. Join us and get a free AK-47.

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Hanz86

Just like Senju Naruto said, Israel dont have nation at all at the beginning..but US and some of the western county help them to illegaly occupied Palestine land and declare as their own...IS IT LEGAL????
If arabian community at US take over New York and declare as their own, what will be ur response???

Note: Agree with Kluang, all Arab Nation should unite to stop Israel Crime specifically for Saudi Arabia & Kuwait..they continuosly support US in every aspect...what a stupid..

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Kina

Our response certainly wouldn't be the attacking by rocket after declaring of a cease-fire.

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