tien

You cant dumb down omnipotence, the fox's chakra is unlimited. SM is limited only by naruto's chakra store, his best bet when this is over, is to focus solely on increasing his chakra, so that he can use more reserve bunshins molding chakra. So you have the clones having 1/3 of Naruto chakra, which is impressive, because you need a LARGE chakra pool to even begin drawing on NE. As we saw the clones themselves can draw on jyuubi chakra independently, and we saw during his training how one blew a huge hole in the ground. Naruto could send in one clone and have it go kyuubi, but just with one or two tails. But I would say use what you have better in your normal state, because SM can become a crutch like the other dou-jutsus. I would love to see a rasengan scatter shot, if normal rasengans took out some of the peins, how about one with a small amount of the wind-element added in, like how he did when kakashi was testing a normal rasengan, against one with the wind-element added. I would love to see naruto using the kyuubi cloak as an extension of himself,he has not fully masterd that in SM, kinda like a telekinetic shield. If anyone watched PUSH, movie was slow at first, but they salvaged it at the end, my faorite was the use of telekinesis, how the made it like a shield around their body to enhance their strength and speed( ala superboy, the clone created in cadmus labs). I feel naruto still has some secrets to learn, or learn how to us the SM energy field around him, like a telekinetic shield.

As for shinrai tensei, there is more than gravitational waves holding this universe together, a stronger energy force, greater than what god=pein is emmiting, should overpower his gravity wave. Where as PnJ, would be a bitch if HG gets to the fox's chakra and was able to absorb it all, HOW, even with those absorbtion abilities, the laws of kinetics cant be ignored. There has to be a breaking bpoint, unless he is sending that energy into another dimenstion, I cant see nagato absorbing all of that, no way. And I think there is no other hole, the manga is in black and white, color would have eben better. Look again when pein used shinra tensei, and blew the two naruto's away ,one was dealing with HR, and the other with HGR, when he blew them away, the bodies did not move. Which has me thinking that what you think was a hole was actually HGR, as he was in front of pein's eyes, and you saw a puff of smoke, like when the clones take damage and disperse. Then again, naruto might be making another ploy , cause the clones are vastly more durable in SM. I cant see nagato recoving so fast either, as talented a person as he is, he has no tailed beast feeding him chakra, if his power was unlimited, he would not need any tailed beast for his technique. So for all of Nagato's natural talents, he has a chakra limit, and again I state, for the simple fact a ninja can mold chakra, why would kishi place a natural human lifespan on them, makes no sense. You telling me, Naruto's chakra is not as large as madara's, or the fact that kisame has the largest chakra pool in akatsuki, what he gonna die when he hits 70 as well. And I'm saying this as well based of real world principles of body enervation. I wont even accept the fact that Nagato's lifespan was cut in half, here we have Naruto in the awesome SM, molding chakra to keep his natural chakra stores in balance with SM, such a basic technique which the original rinnegan user most likely came up with. Nurturing your basic life energy(chakra) through focusing, to increase it. Basic yet effective, like the fact that you never get that high level, where a simple replacement technique wont work.

Looking at how those summons has rinnegan eyes, I would gather that nagato gave them bestowed extra attributes, kinda like Jiraiya saying he is no longer fully human, the deeper that contract, the more the exchange of attributes I guess, I feel that naruto will make genjutsu use or resistance a priority after all this. I will say it again, you have the most powerful and unique bijuu, unlimited in power.

And dont give me the filler crap, naruto's fillers have more relevance, Bleach on the other hand are fillers, through and through, no relevance really. I can go on with some points how the 'fillers' connect, but wont bother. Those who said that Itachi's power was spread out with naruto, I dont think so. I will go on about SOUND again in another thread, I think Itachi altered naruto on a sub-atomic level and passed along and ABILITY. I mean what did he give naruto, chakra, how when like a dead virus or foreign matter, naruto's chakra network would dissolve it into his own. Sharingan can SEE chakra, I also want to do a comparison thread on ability vs chakra-based ability to flesh this one out. It is like Kakashi, he does not have that Uchiha DNA, but his body copes as best it could with the chakra drainage brought about by the eye. The only other this is that Itachi passed along and ability to be used temporarily through a seal. Seals are the wild cards here, you had Chiyo use Sakura to throw a chakra binding seal at Sasori. Pein using seals to emulate the user's abilty and power, the user being the one who took off the seal. I say next time they use a powered down bunshin to take off the seal, and whup the ass of the vastly inferior version of yourself that pops up. The seals i feel are important, because you have Naruto housing a bijuu with unlimited power, the 8-tails find it even hard to replace lost limbs, the kyuubi has the energy to just regenerate with no power lost, again, you cant dumb down omnipotence. there is only the matter of Naruto being strong enough to channel larger and larger amounts of kyuubi chakra, like an ocean being funneled through a straw, to get the most, we make the straw much bigger.

Set up seals in the most skilled konoha ninjas, analyze what is known about pein, formulate strategies per squad to quickly dispatch said pein. Create a seal in the souls of the konaha nine, it liks to the kyuubi's chakra and sanitizes it, so that the shika those can have access to the unlimited chakra, fueling their own, without transforming like Sora did. What causes some to not even begin to do things such as seasling, is because their chakra pools are not big enough, what causes fatigue is when your chakra runs out.

Nexus

One of my boys believe Preta Sphere Pain will turn into a frog since he absorbed a large amount of sage chakra from Naruto. What's everyone's opinion on that?

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Master2005

If he could absorb NE from Naruto, then he could have done it from nature itself lol...

whether you absorb it from creature or nature should be the same thing, because the flow of NE and your own flow has to be the same, or it won't work.

stubborn_d0nkey

the kyuubi has approximately 50 times more chakra than naruto. not unlimited. (maybe i misunderstood the quote however)

Myth

haha thats what i said lol Tso and i were discussing this and i said the same thing that since he abosrbed nature chakra he'll go turn into a frog.

@ stubborn naruto, the kyuubi has enver lost a fight because it never tires out its chakra is endless jiraiya commeted on it by saying "the beast is said to posses infinite amount of chakra"

In wikipdeia regarding the beats in japanese mythology the 8 tails and 9 tails fought for 100 years straight and after those 100 years 8 tails could go anymore while the kyuubi was still just as good as new.

p.s. i dunno know exactley if its 100 lol i may have messed up but they fought for a long time before the 8 tails could not go any more.

tien

50 times, link please

popion

a lot of lose ends when it comes to NE
if the NE part of the sage chakra is stored inside the body mixed with normal chakra Pain's guy will turn forgie in no time, as he doesnt have the knowledge to balance the NE in his body.
If the NE part is stored outside the body like an aura ( frog katas )balanced by internal chakra, then preta will be ok
both this theories have lose ends to but this is all i have ...

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stubborn_d0nkey

kakshi said something to naruto about chakra, that naruto has 2 times more than he does and (this is what im not sure about) that if he fully utilizes the kyuubis chakra(is how i think it is, but could be something about going into kyuubi mode) he would have a hundred times more will find link and edit.

ahhh my mistake, didnt remember correctly:
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/315/11/
first he says

"you have at least twice as much"

later


"And if yamato doesnt suppress nine tails' chakra" "it could be 100 times more"


but i doubt that the nine tails has endless chakra, i dont think kishi followed the myths exactly, only based them(tailed beast, and other stuff as well probably) upon it.
and naruto only has the yang part(or the yin :S) so i dont think he could have unlimited chakra

Forlong

He he, yes, Jiraiya would be ashamed.

Er...are you forgeting how many times the Akatsuki have had to fight each Jinchuriki? They tried to catch Naruto three times, and will have to go for Killer Bee once more. I think that's normal. They haven't meantioned how hard it has been to catch other Jinchuriki. Maybe they killed the Three-tail's Jinchuriki, but couldn't capture the Biiju. So, they desided to try again later.

Pain's at a disadvantage here. Because...

1. Naruto has info on him.
2. Pain's been fighting for a while, so he's not at full power.
3. Pain has no clue how much Naruto knows. He's seen the Rasen Shuriken, but what else has Naruto learned?
4. Naruto hasn't even ben forced to use the Kyuubi. If he does, his power will multiply by 100!!!

Pain's screwed ten times over.

*battle end music plays*
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Myth has gone up to pwnage level 5!
Myth's stats have improved: Att=15 Def=13 Mag=20 Spr=18 Spd=9 Agl=11 Acr=14
Myth has learned "Sarcastic Remark"!

Interesting theory, but I don't think it's true. We'll see.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

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n6hokage

If You Guys Look At Chapter 410, Page 13 it clearly shows in a pie graph_drawing the ratios. It clearly shows that physical, spiritual, and natural energy have to to be balance meaning equal.
so i dont know what you guys are talkin about. you guys probably missed it.
So You can use all the natural energy in the world as long as you got enough physical chakra and spiritual energy to balance it out. only when you use to much natural energy compare to your chakra and spiritual energy would you turn into a frog. it also says to be able to turn into sage mode you got to have a lot of chakra. with all this said you can come to the conclusion that the more chakra one has the more stronger you are in sage mode and the longer you can sustain it. as long as its properly balance!

n6hokage

Finally someone who knows what im Talking About..
Thanks THE SPECIAL ONE

Julep

Well he could still wipe all of Konoha's Forces. Pain understands that Naruto will be lured once he threatens that.

@ Hurricane Chronicles. Yes he calls the Kyuubi, but I'm referring to Naruto now who does not want to rely on the Kyuubi.

The demon fox's chakra usually comes to Naruto during life threatening or other stressful situations, given to him by the demon fox itself to ensure its survival. Naruto eventually learns to contact the demon fox and demand some of its chakra, which it seems to comply to out of amusement.

http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Naruto#...iled_Demon_Fox


If Pain absorbs his Sage Chakra, he'd be absorbing all of Naruto's energies. So that means physical, spiritual, and natural energy are being absorbed into Pain at the same time, as Sage Chakra takes the combination of all three. Since that's the case, its still not impossible that Pain can turn into a Frog, as natural energy is still part of Sage Chakra. Naruto would be left without any chakra regardless, so like n6Hokage was saying, Naruto's seal may leak the Kyuubi's chakra because Naruto might not have any reserves left.

@n6Hokage

All of Naruto's chakra...yes. But what are your thoughts if the Demon's Fox's Chakra starts to leak out and it is stated that 9 tails fox all in all is NEAR limitless before it was divided...

could it be possible that while Naruto's Mana is depleting...the Demon's Fox is compensating... and pain encourages the leak even more by pulling the Mana out even more?

Once that happen that could be a key that the 9 tails would reject Pain and possibly reviv if not consume Naruto.

don't forget people that Naruto has 3 different Chakra (mana hehehe) His chakra, The Yan Chakra, and the Yin Chakra...

Jiraiya mentions that Minato split the demon fox's chakra in two halves, sealing the Yin chakra making it inaccessible to Naruto, but sealing the Yang chakra in a manner that allows Naruto to access it.

naruto has 3 chakra reserves ladies and gentlemen, and the but 2 are only accessible.

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Dagoro

Naruto using the kyubi to cleave HG in half will be wayyyy to cheesy.

My money is on the missing clone theory. Also the little katsuyo is gone what happened to the little guy ??

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n6hokage

Oh Snap.....Its Very Interesting That You Mention That the Small katsuyu clone on Naturo is missing. Making The Clone Theory be the Best Possible Outcome. Since The Little Katsuyu is on The Shoulders Of The Real Naruto. If This Were to be True and Pain Doesn't Noticed it, Then Pain can be undeniably ranked as the The Most Dumb Ass Ninja EVEr. Lmao

n6hokage

My Thoughts Are 2.....1) Either naruto Is Using A Clone Or 2)Theres gonna be Some 9 Tails going around whipping pains butt.