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Old 02-18-2009, 05:42 PM   #16
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Re: Naruto inherites the Rinnegan (partially) from Nagato....Why?

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Apparently everyone misunderstood. This post is not about sas-gay, its about Naruto and Pain (aka Nagato as he is the other person with destiny thing that J-man said)

Yes, Naruto can kick sasuk's ass at his current state. Its plain as day if Naruto can keep with Pain when J-man struggled, but that was a completly different situation where he did not know the other 3 pains. But what matters is NARUTO can keep up with Pain. But i am saying, was saying before most people went sas-gay, when Naruto does not have the following things:

1-Demon Fox (Yes its going to get either extracted or released from Naruto in the end). Take it this way, if Naruto was to die then Fox would die as well. And do you think Kishimoto would allow that, that all these Bijuu to die.

Also why have 7 Bijuu containers and leave Killer bee and Naruto. Please explain this to me since I can't understand that since how was the story was to progress to see what Madara plans if the Bijuu if not fully done. Am i the only one who thinks this way. Also Tsunade, is mostly likely to bring him back and die in the process, so the next Hokage can be chosen.

2-People who said Naruto can use Sage mode think, but they forget, its imperfect in battle since Naruto has to use clones. How long do you think Naruto has in a battle to do that, and not get killed as you have to be still to collect the natural energy.

So he would have other option of mastering it, but i was mentioning Pa Frog getting killed. J-man needed him to fight using Senjutsu, but where does it say that Naruto can use it in battle freely without their help. Naruto planned ahead before and thats why he is keeping up with Pain, or else how much time do you think Naruto would have to collect natural energy.

3. Also who is to say that Itachi's gift is not just one off. I mean how can you transfer something like half-your power, and in what form. We saw the crow thing and therefore we can assume it to relate to Genjutsu, which is Naruto's greatest weakness in battle.

I just wanted to ask if there was a possiblities that Nagato would give him the Rinnegan or some of its abilities or at least train him?

As i pointed out he is nothing bad in the inside like wants to kill people inhumanely but wants peace in the end. He is like Tousen from Bleach, a misguided person.

Naruto has a strong chance of killing Nagato out of revenge for what he has done or he can forgive Nagato and make him see violence and pain is not the true path to peace.

Rinnegan needs a sucessor since if Nagato dies, the doujutsu would be gone forever that was passed down from the original founder of modern Ninja art.

It is possible Nagato might not get killed and Survive to reproduce with Konan but does it look like it.

If Nagato was to die Kishimoto has to pass it down to somebody else, even if that person is not Naruto.

All i was asking is Naruto a likely candidate since they are related in many ways in Naruto world except by blood.

-Same teacher (J-man)
-Destined Child
-Wants peace in the end, so people can live happily, although the road to it varies.
Eh despite the fact that the Rinnegan is basically the Doujutsu that created the ninja world doesn't mean it has to be passed down. Yes in this manga it has been a trend for things to be passed down but i think this is totally on a different level(btw its not like Naruto is Nagatos apprentice or anything, and even if he does see peace in Naruto, I would think Kishi would have Naruto use his own power to obtain peace for the world rather than using power from the child who was supposed to bring destruction upon everyone). From what we know so far the original(Rikudo) is dead, so IMO it would be a nice ending to the Rinnegan if Nagato died along with it, that way no one can abuse its power again.
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Re: Naruto inherites the Rinnegan (partially) from Nagato....Why?

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I think Naruto will instead change Nagato's ideals and make him the road to peace is not through violence and pain. I think before he dies, as he is in a such a weak condition, he gives Naruto a gift for him to defend himself from Madara Uchiha.
The problem here is that Naruto's ideals are the same as Jiraiya. Jiraiya confronted Pain's crazy ideals and stated the wrongs in Nagato's plot. Even though Naruto can convince people better, Jiraiya had a better understanding of the world around him and was still unable to shake Nagato's will. Who is to say Naruto is able to?

But I doubt you can just give someone a dojutsu. Its a type of inheritance and it has something to do with the bloodline. The Rinnegan suddenly appearing within Nagato hints that its not a simple bloodline trait however, its something that comes along every so often, probably after years and years. The legend says its a tool of God that appears to guide the world to salvation or utterly destroy it. Its not something that can simply be passed on unto another.

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but i think there has to be a Rinnegan sucessor.
If its a bloodline, then it may reappear within future generations. Of course its not a simple bloodline trait, which means it won't appear for possibly decades or even centuries. Based on the legend, it only appears when the need arises. Not sure if Nagato had any descendants, but the importance of the Rinnegan may faze out if Nagato is indeed the last holder of such a dojutsu. Not all bloodlines are meant to prosper down the road. Kimimaro's clan was a vicious clan striving on battle extensively, due to its tenacies, it later went extinct.

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-Naruto won't be the container of demon fox, so he will lose a lot power later on since for something big to happen, demon fox has to be removed from Naruto with the rest captured, except for killer bee. But what would be the point be of capturing the rest if Naruto in the end is not?
Doubtful. If the beast is extracted from Naruto, he dies. That is the fate of all Host who looses their Bijuu. The Bijuu does not have to be removed from Naruto, its just a goal of Akatuski's. And they won't snatch out Naruto's Bijuu unless Killer Bee is captured because sealing the 9 tails within the statue will cause embalance and it will crumble. And its highly unlikely that Akatuski is able to keep Naruto in custody until they capture and seal Killer Bee, which could take days. It takes over a week to seal a Bijuu within a statue because they are so short of members.

Because Naruto is a survivor. He's not like the other hosts who where unprepared or lacked the support of his home village as well as hidden villages.

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-He can't utilise SAGE MODE because of demon fox but the problem is Pa frog is most likely dead. So he can't undergo the fusion thing. But i can guess he will master it someways, but there is a time limit to it. And with people like Madara, you can't possibly do it with a time limit.
He does not need to fuse. Naruto has developed his shadow clone charge method. So he does not have to rely on the Toads for him to go into Sage Mode. Naruto can go into Sage Mode from a distance and have shadow clones left at Myobokuzan to mold Sage Chakra. Naruto has shown the ability to be able to stay in Sage Mode for a while, the two extra charges gives him even more time to stay in Sage Mode.

So, technically, Naruto has his initial burst (which has shown to last enough time to ditch out severe damage to his opponents), and two shadow clone charges, which one lasts him a good while. Sure his Sage Mode has a time limit, but the amount of time he can stay in Sage Mode is more than suffice. With the reverse summoning method in place, Naruto can hide his shadow clones far from harm's way, so they can gather natural energy without being disturbed.

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-Itachi's gift is most likely a one off and also for Sasuke. After its used it would go.
We are unsure of that. It could be a defense mechanism for dealing with the sharingan. Who knows?

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-Also if Naruto was to gain Rinnegan would then be able to match Sasuke with MS. Also Sasuke indicated he has a very powerful one at that or a secrete Jutsu. How in the hell is he going to keep on matching Sasuke if Itachi's gift is gone after inital use.
Who is to say Naruto can't match Sasuke with his Mangekyou Sharingan? I was under the impression that Sasuke's "That Jutsu" was Kirin. We have to remember that we have not see Naruto's "That Jutsu." Its more or less probably the jutsu correlating to the mastery of the Kyuubi's chakra via the "Key" unlocking all of the Kyuubi's chakra. So Naruto still has power left untapped.

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-Also my strongest point is NAGATO himself wanted peace through any method possible, but now dying and no sucessor since Rinnegan would dissapear from the world, Nagato gives Naruto the: Rinnegan . Like Itachi sees Naruto to be loyal Sasuke friend, who wouldn't kill him, Nagato might see Naruto as a future for peace.
Nagato only sees one possible method, PAIN! That is the only way he believes peace can be achieved. He has fai intentions, but his methods are flawed from the getgo. He is corrupt, he must be killed without any remorse. And I'd doubt he'd change his ways or see anything good in Naruto. Remember he considers Naruto as nothing more than a tool to further his own agenda. Naruto giving ups his life satisfies Nagato's plot.
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Old 02-18-2009, 06:16 PM   #18
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The problem here is that Naruto's ideals are the same as Jiraiya. Jiraiya confronted Pain's crazy ideals and stated the wrongs in Nagato's plot. Even though Naruto can convince people better, Jiraiya had a better understanding of the world around him and was still unable to shake Nagato's will. Who is to say Naruto is able to?

But I doubt you can just give someone a dojutsu. Its a type of inheritance and it has something to do with the bloodline. The Rinnegan suddenly appearing within Nagato hints that its not a simple bloodline trait however, its something that comes along every so often, probably after years and years. The legend says its a tool of God that appears to guide the world to salvation or utterly destroy it. Its not something that can simply be passed on unto another.



If its a bloodline, then it may reappear within future generations. Of course its not a simple bloodline trait, which means it won't appear for possibly decades or even centuries. Based on the legend, it only appears when the need arises. Not sure if Nagato had any descendants, but the importance of the Rinnegan may faze out if Nagato is indeed the last holder of such a dojutsu. Not all bloodlines are meant to prosper down the road. Kimimaro's clan was a vicious clan striving on battle extensively, due to its tenacies, it later went extinct.



Doubtful. If the beast is extracted from Naruto, he dies. That is the fate of all Host who looses their Bijuu. The Bijuu does not have to be removed from Naruto, its just a goal of Akatuski's. And they won't snatch out Naruto's Bijuu unless Killer Bee is captured because sealing the 9 tails within the statue will cause embalance and it will crumble. And its highly unlikely that Akatuski is able to keep Naruto in custody until they capture and seal Killer Bee, which could take days. It takes over a week to seal a Bijuu within a statue because they are so short of members.

Because Naruto is a survivor. He's not like the other hosts who where unprepared or lacked the support of his home village as well as hidden villages.



He does not need to fuse. Naruto has developed his shadow clone charge method. So he does not have to rely on the Toads for him to go into Sage Mode. Naruto can go into Sage Mode from a distance and have shadow clones left at Myobokuzan to mold Sage Chakra. Naruto has shown the ability to be able to stay in Sage Mode for a while, the two extra charges gives him even more time to stay in Sage Mode.

So, technically, Naruto has his initial burst (which has shown to last enough time to ditch out severe damage to his opponents), and two shadow clone charges, which one lasts him a good while. Sure his Sage Mode has a time limit, but the amount of time he can stay in Sage Mode is more than suffice. With the reverse summoning method in place, Naruto can hide his shadow clones far from harm's way, so they can gather natural energy without being disturbed.



We are unsure of that. It could be a defense mechanism for dealing with the sharingan. Who knows?



Who is to say Naruto can't match Sasuke with his Mangekyou Sharingan? I was under the impression that Sasuke's "That Jutsu" was Kirin. We have to remember that we have not see Naruto's "That Jutsu." Its more or less probably the jutsu correlating to the mastery of the Kyuubi's chakra via the "Key" unlocking all of the Kyuubi's chakra. So Naruto still has power left untapped.
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Re: Naruto inherites the Rinnegan (partially) from Nagato....Why?

Pain facies himself a God. He believes himself to be a ruler who passes judgement on those he deem unworthy. I'm sure its a lot easier to change a rouge then it is to change someone who has such a huge dominating essance.
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Pain facies himself a God. He believes himself to be a ruler who passes judgement on those he deem unworthy. I'm sure its a lot easier to change a rouge then it is to change someone who has such a huge dominating essance.
Agreed. The man is fukn dilusional and unreasonable. I mean i kno naruto has the ability to change ppl and all that but this is a will be a failed attempt if he tries.

Naruto will never get the rinnegan. He will look wierd in it and it will jus mess up the whole fukn story. It makes no sense why kishi would do it. Naruto has enough power already so he doesn't need anymore, he jus needs to harness his abilities to their full potential.
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Pain facies himself a God. He believes himself to be a ruler who passes judgement on those he deem unworthy. I'm sure its a lot easier to change a rouge then it is to change someone who has such a huge dominating essance.
Zabuza called himself a demon pain calls himself god....
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Yes, Naruto can kick sasuk's ass at his current state. Its plain as day if Naruto can keep with Pain when J-man struggled, but that was a completly different situation where he did not know the other 3 pains. But what matters is NARUTO can keep up with Pain. But i am saying, was saying before most people went sas-gay, when Naruto does not have the following things:

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1. its easy to keep up with five bodies sitting still in the middle of a field.

2. I dont think the Rinnegan is passed down like a kekei genkai. At this point in the manga. Its more likey that nagato inherited Rikudos blood through experimentation from Madara most likely. Or, better yet The Fuuma Clan.
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bliz when u come back don't reply to kyf he will never accept that his beloved character is weaker then most ppl now... sad but true.
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Someone else said that about me like 4 months ago Mods checked it out though.... as for me i don't particularly hate sasuke i just hate his hardcore fanboys who will argue with the entire forum over him when facts go against them.. pathetic if u ask me.
How did you know I meant you? If someone else said the same thing, that just proves my point. How could mods "clear" you lol... But whatever, I stopped caring 15 nicks ago
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Re: Naruto inherites the Rinnegan (partially) from Nagato....Why?

Naruto having rinnegan.

Definitely Not gonna happen.

Are you expecting an ending where the final villain get totally owned?

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1 page 1 panel. _ _ _ _ _ _ lying dead beaten to a pulp. Story ends.

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Re: Naruto inherites the Rinnegan (partially) from Nagato....Why?

Naruto has fuckin Sexy No Jutsu he dont need no fucking Rinnegay in his eyes

Plus he aint afraid of no Ghosts
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How did you know I meant you? If someone else said the same thing, that just proves my point. How could mods "clear" you lol... But whatever, I stopped caring 15 nicks ago
because 2 other ppl accused me before saying nmaikaze is back its logical that's how but im sure a smart fellow like urself could figure that out....
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because 2 other ppl accused me before saying nmaikaze is back its logical that's how but im sure a smart fellow like urself could figure that out....
Sensativity?? ... anyone ... anyone

Noone can accuse me of that bullshit ... i'm the one and only original tru to da form ... besides noone has the high level of insight that i do ... shit u can' pick naruto apart like i can. Why the fuck would u wanna have multiple nicknames anyway?
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Sensativity?? ... anyone ... anyone

Noone can accuse me of that bullshit ... i'm the one and only original tru to da form ... besides noone has the high level of insight that i do ... shit u can' pick naruto apart like i can. Why the fuck would u wanna have multiple nicknames anyway?
exactly i don't have multi nicks. if i did i would be banned wouldn't i?

Just saying its been brought up before...

also didn't i tell u to go shove something in ur mouth TROLL
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nope ... not me ... u got me mixed up with some other guy

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