camer999

As a child kakashi was really gifted, moving along as fast as itachi, his father about equivalent to the sennins'. It just seems to me as soon as he got the eye, he probably had to focus on it alot, completly fight around his limitations with it(large chakra consumption). He was(is) extremely fast, has great taijutsu, but it seems like he stopped training those seriously after he got the eye..

The Special One

I wouldn't say he stopped training, but more as he is hitting his mark at a faster rate. At 12-13 years old, it is possible that Kakashi was more, or less, near the skill level he is at say 30 years old. Some geniuses are like that. Becoming as strong and as skilled as they ever will be, sooner than others.

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camer999

I guess, but I think kakashi could do more with free'd up chakra than the eye. Outside of kamui(that could beat anyone under certain circumstances, other than madara), more chakra would be the perfect power up for kakashi. It makes me wonder though if there is really limits in naruto depending on the character(like how fast they can get w/ or w/o training.)

The Special One

Well Kakashi naturally has an average chakra level. But the sharingan did make him Konoha's Copy cat. He's quite skillful with it. Not saying Kakashi wouldn't be shit without it, but the sharingan is part of his fighting strategy and his character.

I don't know the specifics behind cap offs, but it seems there's always room for improvement. As a shinobi reaches middle age, their skills seem to be at their finest, since they have the knowledge and experience to not make nobbish mistakes (like leaping forward in battle without thinking) and by learning how to conserve chakra in battle. That's why the Sannin were so revered (even in their 50s). Though, there is a point where the shinobi begins to weaken and be less successful as they age, in case of Sarutobi, where his level of strength and stamina/chakra drastically got in the way of his combat effectiveness.

As for limits on the characters, I think based on the chakra pool, motivation (not a lot of people have enough of it), able body (free of disease and what not) and combat ability (how good someone is in battle), depends on how far they can go as a shinobi. So with that, there's many possibilities and outcomes depending on just the individual.

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camer999

^Yeah, I see what you are saying his chakra pool is really his Achilles heel.BTW, how effective do you think Kamui is, like would it send you to another dimension instantly or would it take alot of time? Because if it is the former, he could pretty much beat anyone.

The Special One

Kamui is pretty effective. The problem is that he can probably only use it a few times before passing out. And if he has used other ninjutsu prior to activating his Mangekyou Sharingan, his limit might be cut down depending on the available chakra. So if anything, Kamui is an Ace for a reason. Kakashi also seems to rely on it if he has no choice (like if it is a life or death situation). He can't afford to miss with it because of the risks involved. So he has to be absolutely sure his enemy is in position for it.

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liondemon

These 2 pages leads me think that Kakashi has higher chakra than most ninja, just not enough as an Uchiha or Senju, but just to use his MS as much as he does I would think it would take more chakra and stamina than most shinobi would be capable of.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/33/10/ All those Kage B after Kakashi was already drained from battle.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/30/04/ Zabuza's commoent on "enough chakra it's visible around his hand", and Kakashi developed this one as a child. Even Sasuke had a 2 shot chakra/stamina limit on chidori when he was a child.

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freedom07

without the sharingan
kakashi wouldnt have as many jutsu as he does

also his chidori will still be incomplete

tien

Kakashi's dad was on par with the sannin's in skill, maybe not power, but he would have been up there in chakra capacity as well. Kakashi had a four chidori limit when he taught Sasuke, Sasuke has two.

After Itachi handed Kakashi his ass, you saw him scaling a mountain one handed and complaining to himself to himself how he had gotten weak, and honing his ability to pump chakra through his muscles. now in shippuden he is older, can use chidori six times and MS ability at least twice before he tires. Yes, his chakra level if his sharingan eye(which constantly drains his chakra, faster when light hits it and he is sending chakra to it). The unique proteins of the Uchiha DNA regulates the chakra usage way more efficiently, if Kakashi had a senju's chakra capacity, it would have complemented the eye more. When you train you follow a principle of helping your cells speed up it's ATP energy usage and replenishment, in shory, expend more, replenish faster, hold more energy(senju).

There are three work-arounds(possibly).

1) Take out the sharingan and his chakra will go up, only good side is that his body has had to work with the sharingan so long, he should retain his speed in which he forms his handseals, who know his body might develop another sharingan-like mechanism that suits it.

2) Tsunade should have some Uchiha DNA somewere, even with crude methods, Oro incorporated many DNA characteristics into his being. DNA from an Uchiha can be a workaround that Kakashi would need.

3) Train his body like Raikage, he is a man which honed his body through unique training with Senju-like chakra capacity, in fact like i said, when he was training on the mountain, he trained to boost his physical capacity. We saw this with Jiraiya as a kid, when he was walking up the mountain with that huge stone. It never said he trained it the sage arts right away, cause he had to get is chakra capacity up first.

camer999

Being uchiha gives no more chakra, it is just for a non-uchiha very inefficient to use, the eye drains more chakra. It has also been said that kakashi has half the chakra of naruto(base).

UzumakiMat

Taijutsu uses stamina, not chakra. Training like Raikage did would be useless to his chakra pool?

camer999

Isn't chakra physical energy+spiritual, so that training should have helped.

UzumakiMat

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/315/10/

If anybody could train his body to raise his chakra capacities, anyone would be able to do what Naruto did and than anyone could train in a week what takes years to achieve.

camer999

I think you can raise, but natural chakra levels come into account as well. In the chapter kakashi said atleast twice as much, so I could see kakashi doing 300-500 clones instead of 1,000. So the characters that could do what naruto is doing are: Kisame, Raikage, KB, and j-man(maybe, if he wasn't dead).

UzumakiMat

Assuming they do know how to do Kagebunshin cause according to the first few chapters, kagebunshin is supposed to be a hidden jutsu known by Konoha only. We haven't seen anybody but Kakashi, Naruto and more lately, Konohamaru use it. Kakashi also said that not only he couldn't make as much but that he can't hold it as long as Naruto, making the training pointless cause he'd constantly need to stop and rest. So beside Jiraiya, I really don't see somebody else who could potentially use it.

I think the only suitable character to train like Raikage is Rock Lee, who has nothing else to do than train on stamina and taijustu.