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Time out. There are several inconsistencies in that.

• Madara did not awaken any new MS jutsu after gaining Hashirama's DNA, he only upgraded his EMS into Rinnegan.
• You still haven't proved Shisui had Hashirama's chakra, much less that he had it before awakening his MS.
• You can't possibly prove that nowhere in Sasuke, Itachi, Madara and Izuna's ascendancy there's no input of other descendants of the RS' DNA. It doesn't even have to be Uzumaki or Senju, the unknown generations between them and the Second Son could've bred with (proto) Uchiha or even other clans descended and we don't know about. So your argument is from ignorance, therefore fallacious.

Prove it. There's no instance in the manga saying that only those descended from the RS can awaken the MS, so, by canon, there's nothing that halts anyone from attaining MS with a borrowed SG.

Why not Senju? What do the Uzumaki have in common with the Hatake and Senju doesn't?


No, he did have two Kotoakatsukami eyes. I never said the contrary.

And that'd be placing two orders at the same time, not turning people into someone else entirely.

Wow, you're stupid. They don't combine shit to create Susanoo, they simply have to unlock both eyes' MS jutsu in order to unlock Susanoo. That's something entirely different.

He could, but you have no proof of that. You're pulling stuff out of your ass with no manga panel that could prove your right.

Was your own stupidity so funny you had to put a lol at both start and end of this paragraph? Seriously, why do you repeat the same stuff like you suffered from short-term memory and laugh when people just sigh at this ad nauseam BS?

It's not an issue of if they can or not, they just don't. Period.

Since it's not either cannon or canon, joke's on you, idiot. Keep pulling stuff off your ass for all I care, it doesn't make it canon in the least.

... and still projecting. Cute.

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• where the hell did I say madara gained a new MS jutsu??? Nowhere! Only that non-uchiha's and uchiha hybrids awakened different MS jutsu, not the standard three...
  Madara was not born a hybrid he was created to be one of hashirama's DNA which actually did make a new doujutsu, the RG.... How the hell could u get that from that...
  
  
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  You still haven't proved Shisui had Hashirama's chakra, much less that he had it before awakening his MS.

  Uchiha shisui had his own chakra recognized as hashirama's u dunce... by AO... u know, danzou actually had hashirama's chakra flowing in his ARM, SHOULDER due to him implanting hashi's cells... not shisui! However, AO clearly recognized shisui's chakra in danzou's arm which was actaully hashiramas... And since the power of shisui's MS cannot flow out of the eye into the arm, shoulder... there is only one other conclusion... shisui had hashirama-like chakra to the point a BG could not tell the difference...
  
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  You can't possibly prove that nowhere in Sasuke, Itachi, Madara and Izuna's ascendancy there's no input of other descendants of the RS' DNA. It doesn't even have to be Uzumaki or Senju, the unknown generations between them and the Second Son could've bred with (proto) Uchiha or even other clans descended and we don't know about. So your argument is from ignorance, therefore fallacious.

Sure I can... trhey (itachi, sasuke, madara and Izuna) awakened the basic three doujutsu of the uchiha... while other actual hybrids of the uchiha and other descendants of the RS awakened different doujutsu....

And while sasuke, itachi, madara and Izuna may have other descendants of the RS in they're family... the genes of said descendant must not be much considering they awakened the three basic doujutsu fo the MS.... because the uchiha genes were the dominant genes, I guess...

Its just too simple... (though I do not exspect you to get it) I have shown those with the uchiha bloodline limit and no others awaken the three basic doujutsu of the MS while those with the uchiha bloodline limit and another bloodline limit of a direct descendant of the RS awakened completely different doujutsu...
the manga supports this 100%.... so suck a panel, numiprescious....

actions>words.... u choose a weak argument...

I the manga, only one shinobi has been able to awaken a MS in a transplanted SG eye... kakashi of the Hatake clan.... NO ONE ELSE!!!! Not even danzou (not confirmed)... but he had hashirama's chakra so that wouldn't really apply to him...

If only one shinobi and a Hatake at that awakened the MS in a transplanted SG, then he alone must have a direct relation to the sage... since there are no others who have done what he has done....
u see there is no need for a mention in the dialogue when the manga itself shows it, when one wants a valid argument about the MANGA....

Or can u show me a panel of someone else awakening a MS in a transplanted SG eye??? because thats what ur argument needs, not "but there could be many others" when we are not playing with COULD BEs.....

u can recognize shisui did have two of the same eye, but that like other uchiha who combine their eyes to produce a more powerful doujutsu, shisui's kotoamatsukami combining cannot...?
and with no explanation either...

Its the same "it makes no sense because I say so" BS that u usual use...

WOW, U DO NOT READ THE MANGA, BUT PRETEND TO KNOW IT WELL ENOUGH TO ARGUE ABOUT IT... UR A POSER AND A HYPOCRITE... CONGRATS...

MS users that awaken tsukuyomi and amaterasu can unlock the final MS jutsu, sasanoo... both MS eyes are activated to use this jutsu, so yes, the eyes power are combined to create a more powerful doujutsu u dunce....

that was my point u dunce... SHISUI COULD likely combine both eyes to create a whole new doujutsu... thats all, not he CAN... simply read and u will understand this!

ANd I laugh because ur ability to delude ur self is just Hilarious... U speak of valid logic, truth ect. Yet u cannot even comprehend something so simple... If the uchiha with two mastered MS eyes can create sasanoo, then the hybrid uchiha with two MS kotos should be able to as well, probably... Thats all!

OH I AM SORRY KISHI, DIDN'T KNOW U WERE THE ONE I WAS ARGUING AGAINST... LOL! now you believe u are kishi the author... Ha, priceless.... keep up the delusions, the hilarity sustains me....

And WTF, the use of both tsukuyomi and amaterasu is how sasanoo, new new more powerful jutsu is created u dunce... so yes, the combining of two MS eyes can create a more powerful doujutsu, u must of forgot about sasanoo already....

I am not the one claiming thigs that happened in the manga didn't... and that the double koto that has not been confirmed, cannot do anything... due to an obvious kishi delusion lol... keep up the good work pal...

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kael03

No, you're claiming things that didn't happen in the manga actually did. Then you call us delusional/biased/whatever the fuck else you can claim to keep your demented mind thinking you are always right when we call you on your shit and post pages (sometimes exact translations of the raws) that completely disprove what you are trying to claim.

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Simple, you're making Shisui an hybrid Uchiha and there's no manga panel or databook tidbit that even suggests Shisui was born already with Hashirama's chakra. He wasn't even old enough to be part of Orochimaru's experiment on a bunch of kids from where Yamato was the only kid known to survive it.

So, unless you have proof of Shisui being born with that chakra, if Shisui had Hashirama's chakra (which most probably didn't, but that only flames up your butthurt) he and Madara should be in the exact same category. So if Shisui somehow awakened new MS, Madara should too. Guess what, he didn't!

Ao recognized Shisui's chakra, he said nothing about Hashirama.

He had both and for Ao to recognize Shisui's, it had to be majority.

... then it's still Shisui's chakra, it just isn't generated from his eye, but rather his arm.

I'm sorry, but my deduction skills are way better than yours because I know a lot more about chakra and cell implants than you seemingly do. Chakra generation and signature, coupled with the principles of antigen-immunity system interaction and tissue rejection and the FACT Shisui's eye survived the rejection prove that Hashirama's chakra can't be the same as Shisui's.

If you want me to elaborate on that, I'm happy to. I just don't do it know to avoid double-posting.

So your preposition is true because if your preposition is true.



Yeah, I'd love to see you prove that.

If the manga supported this 100%, there would be panels or databook text actually supporting it. So why should I suck a panel you clearly don't have?

Wow, you accuse me of making a weak argument and reply with a non-existent one.

Where's yours goddamn proof that only those descended from the RS can attain MS? Simple, you don't have. You're arguing from ignorance and fill the gaps with your own stupidity instead of admitting your ignorance. I don't know how and why Kakashi was the only one non-Uchiha awakening MS, but at least I have the sapience of actually wait for Kishi to say something else on the matter so I have enough information to produce an educated guess.

The manga doesn't show that, the manga doesn't show anything on that matter. You're the one who is seeing things that aren't there and since the manga doesn't disprove it, you think it proves it. That's both confirmation bias and false dichotomy, which are fallacies.

I'm sorry, but you're the one making a positive claim (Kakashi is descended from the RS since he awakened the MS without being an Uchiha). I have to prove jack shit because I'm making a negative claim (There's no evidence that one needs to descend from the RS to awaken the MS). So burden of proof is on you pal, don't try to shift it onto me.

Nobody combined their eyes to produce an extra doujutsu, dumbass. They unlocked it by unlocking both eyes, that's what happened in canon. That's the shit you seemingly can't see and destroys this whole argument altogether.

It's not because I say so, it's because it makes no sense in reality. You're seeing epileptic trees where everybody else sees wind passing on the branches.

Except both MS eyes aren't activated to use this jutsu, their linked MS jutsu are just unlocked. Sasuke, Itachi and Madara don't need both eyes to be active to use Susanoo, they just need to use Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu before. So this combining shit is your invention, not manga canon.

In simpler words so you might understand what I'm saying and you're saying, I'm saying that you need a drink and a sandwich in order to have a quick snack, you're saying that you need to drink and eat the sandwich at the same time in order to have a quick snack. Yeah, that's how moronic you're sounding.

You know "could" and "can" are just different tenses of the same word that you're applying to a supposedly dead character, right? Seriously, even elementary school grammar doesn't escape your stupidity.

And I'm not saying he didn't, I'm saying you have no proof that he could.

I comprehend what you say, I'm not stupid, I simply want evidence of such because I'm a skeptic of new information, whatever its source is, rather than a gullible moron that accepts everything and anything. So please produce the evidence and I might agree with you.

Just because I know how to read, suddenly I've the delusion of being Kishi? Wow, only a dumbass would profess such stupidity.

Combining doesn't mean what you're making it to mean. And Susanoo is a jutsu that has no similarity with Tsukuyomi or Amaterasu, so who knows what Shisui's extra doujutsu, if he ever had any, was? You need to prove it was a Inception rip-off, or else it just an wild guess pulled from your derrière.

Kael already addressed this, I'll just add you're the one with a author's avatar delusion. I at least don't make a barrage of theories claiming to know what the author is thinking of doing.

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@ KYF: It's fucking SUSANOO not SASANOO dumbass! If you will learn to write corectly, you might have more succes with your theories. Don't you think?

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Shrike already pointed that out and KYF reply was that it reminded him of Mario's girlfriend, Susan, so he preferred to misspell the poor jutsu.

Tells you how interested he is in writing like normal people.

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jericho Uzimaki

I have a question, a theory rather.

KYF
I think that your approach is what seals your fate.
As seen in many posts you have a vivid imagination. Your prediction you wrote not too long ago was good.

So i think if you wrote predictions and fan fics THEN explain the logic to them it would come out better. Furthermore i feel the members would (mostly) agree ... KYF u have a brilliant imagination.


Just don't state ur ideas as facts until proven as such.

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Konnaha_yellow_flash

I find it funny u and numi can make these claims, but provide not a single example to support the claim... meanwhile I at least do that... u are nothing but talk....

I'm a dumbass because I choose to spell sasanoo my own way yet u go and misspell CORRECTLY, which is ironic since u told to learn to write corectly... which isn't even spelled correctly... LOL! u prove my point vinshu...

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Those Boundaries are what they tend to accept as "Reality".....
However..... Knowledge and Perception are both ambiguous....
so "Reality" could be nothing more....
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Konnaha_yellow_flash

wait, so shisui uchiha, the uchiha who has SPECIAL CHAKRA, unmistakable by a BG (confirmed in the manga) http://www.mangakong.com/manga/Naruto/459/14
which is just like hashirama's to the point, hashirama's chakra is mistaken for shisui's.... or did AO not recognize shisui's chakra in danzou right arm, shoulder just for it to turn out to be hashirama's due to the 1st's cells being implanted... oh wait... that is the case... confirmed by the manga... learn to read!

And madara did awaken a new more powerful doujutsu, the RG u dunce... its the most powerful version of the SG that evolved from the MS too... learn to read...

No, AO recognized the chakra in danzous right arm, shoulder as shisui's... but it was tobi who confirmed that danzou was using hashirama's special chakra due to the implantation of his cells... the rest is obvious....

And LMFAO!! There is nothing to suggest shisui's cells were implanted u delusional fool... show me a panel! I can show u where hashirama's cells are implanted... but no shisui cells... the damn body is missing so how did he get some cells for implantation in the first place lol....

u are truly getting sad with this... u just bitch about evidence not being used, but insist shisui's cells were implanted when no such thing was ever even implied.... Hypocrisy must suck...

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This ^^^is just ignorantly foolish considering this is a shounen manga...

And u clearly showed no knowledge about chakra at all otherwise u would know that hashirama's chakra is powerful due to its high level of physical energy is offers... while the uchiha's chakra is powerful with spiritual energy that offers the SG doujutsu...
ANd with chakra being made of physical and spiritual energy combined.... danzou's arm showed a physical energy enhanced chakra that shisui also must of had... meaning hashirama's power of physical energy to boost the chakra further, creates a whole new chakra color and signature which AO recognized in danzou's arm because shisui had the same physical energy boost with his uchiha chakra... that of hashirama's....

its confirmed here... danzou used hashirama's cells to boost his own chakrahttp://www.mangakong.com/manga/Naruto/478/11
which is why there is such a unique color in the arm, shoulder... which shisui had as well due to a having the spiritual energy of his clan, the uchiha and somehow the physical energy boost of hashirama's level in chakra..

U are just dense! The fact that itachi, sasuke, living madara and Izuna awakened the three basic MS doujutsu of the uchiha, means they had only that bloodline from the sage and no other... otherwise like shisui, tobi, edo madara hashi enhanced and even kakashi... they would have awakened different doujutsu altogether... which they didn't... the claim is supported by the three doujutsu and no others u poor fool...

So u choose when kishi has more to add to a subject, but choose to believe the shisui theory is debunked despite the fact we still have yet to see the truth about what happened with yagura in the mist durung the blood mist era which shisui was involved in and even his doujutsu was suspected of being the one that controlled yagura... u are just low....

And my proof is only those descended from the sage can attain the MS is the fact the power came from him.... just like with the bijuu for jinks... only those who are descended from the sage can use the SG's power to its actual potential... Just as shinobi have to be compatible to become jinks... shinobi have to be compatible to use the doujutsu to they're true potential... as descendants of the sage... some closer then others, but still carry the compatibility to be a jink due to their relation to the sage...

Gaara was compatible...http://www.mangakong.com/manga/Naruto/547/7

Mito, kushina and even naruto as Uzumaki's were compatible and capable of suppressing the kyuubi....

Gin and kin were compatible and able to use the kyuubi's power after eating some of the kyuubi... while a non-descendant of the sage died trying to gain the hachibi's power by eating a piece of tentacles....http://www.mangakong.com/manga/Naruto/529/4

And with the power of the bijuu and doujutsu all being connected, coming from the same source.. http://www.mangakong.com/manga/Naruto/467/14
so only being able to be used by certain shinobi, those descended from the sage...



Unlocking both eyes is not enough... Dumbass!!! once both eyes are MASTERED the doujutsu sasanoo can be used, but only by using the power of both eyes together... (notice the use one eye to use tsukuyomi and the other eye to use amaterasu, but both eyes to produce sasanoo... dumbass)

Lol at ur anology... Simply awakening tsukuyomi and amaterasu is not enough to use sasanoo... one has to master the two previous doujutsu in order to use the final one... obviousy because the power of both doujutsu allow the use of sasanoo as even supported by the databook...

Light and dark... physical and spiritual... when our powers combine...

and show me where only a single eye has produced a sassanoo... (one eye open and one closed) because every time both eyes have to be used which is represented by the opening of both eyes... Lol, u are dense!

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Those Boundaries are what they tend to accept as "Reality".....
However..... Knowledge and Perception are both ambiguous....
so "Reality" could be nothing more....
then an illusion....

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jeanericuser

Here is some free advice kyf from a true legendary writer stephen king profoundly made clear in the movie the night flier.

"Never believe what you publish. Never publish what you believe."

The best way to be objective in predicting is to do it for the fun of it but do not start basing what you believe is right as fact otherwise you become delusional and lose focus on what is actually real and what isnt. Remember this more than anything. There are some theories best kept to yourself. Some things others are not ready to hear and unless you want to be an object of unrivaled scorn you are best to keep some things to yourself. Besides some times realizing the full story can take away the fun. Trust me I already know what its like and spoilers can ruin so much of the fun. Oh and if you think I am lying about stephen king. Watch this yourself. Quite possibly one of the most chilling but profound moments ever created by stephen king. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gl8H0XiJmw

kael03

Except that's exactly what you do in every one of your theories. You post random pages and make connections that aren't there, calling it all manga facts.

But, if you want specifics, I can list a few of your fac-theories:

Yagura aiding in the creation of Zetsu/using "flower" (wtf?) techniques. That was based on 2 flowers that have vastly different meanings.

Minato sealing the dark half of the Kyuubi chakra into Sasuke (even when the manga clearly stated, numerous times, otherwise).

The Sage's sons are in fact the Sage himself, after using Izanagi to split himself into 2 fully grown men, but still appearing in the same panel with his sons.

Izanami being the polar opposite of Izanagi, in that it "brings genjutsu to life". You were advocating that even when we all saw what Izanami was (the time loop).

Kabuto altering Madara's Edo Tensei to have the Rinnegan, when it was clearly stated to not be the case and that Madara had awakened the Rinnegan before he died.

I could probably keep going, but it's starting to give me a headache as is.

Every person has a unique color to their chakra. It's Kishi's way of making the sensor ninja useful beyond "I sense chakra over there". There's nothing special about Shisui's chakra. It's just something Ao remembered because they fought in the past.

It was Shisui's fucking arm, you nit. Hashirama's cells were there to give Danzo a boost in chakra to sustain 11 fucking active sharingan and give him the bloodline combination to use Izanagi. Hashirama's chakra wasn't even a factor, it was his cells.

He wouldn't have been able to awaken the Rinnegan without Hashirama's DNA, that he obtained after their fight at the Valley of the End. The Rinnegan didn't come from just the EMS, there were other factors involved.

That would be the Eternal Mangekyo, dunce. The Rinnegan is the father dojutsu, yes, but an Uchiha alone can't obtain it without DNA from a descendant of the younger son.

He confirmed that Danzo was using Senju DNA to use Izanagi, not that he was using Hashirama's chakra for it.


There is no patch of Shisui's cells because Danzo's entire right arm was once Shisui's arm. Which is why Ao saw Shisui's chakra flowing from Danzo's arm.

They found his body floating in the river, twit. They did an autopsy to confirm drowning. Danzo appeared after and took his arm. What happened to his body after, I'm not sure. Best case scenario is Danzo had it destroyed after getting what he needed.

Ignoring most of the rest, since it's just rehashing what a moron you really are.

Um...the databook, not to mention the damn manga (Sasuke was using Susano'o and couldn't do shit with Tsukuyomi) would have to disagree with you:

Nope, nothing about mastering Amaterasu or Tsukuyomi to use Susano'o. Only that one needs to awaken Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi to use Susano'o.

Really? I just looked up the databook (and posted it for your benefit), nothing is mentioned about mastering Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi in order to even use Susano'o. Only thing that's mentioned is the eyes have to awaken Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi as a prerequisite for Susano'o.

Sasuke's lawltastic Tsukuyomi says hi.

What the hell does that have to do with anything?

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Gee, Kael, you left me little material to reply to without repeating you! Oh well...

First, when I make positive claims, I always provide evidence of what I'm saying. Second, negative claims DO NOT warrant the need for evidence, since the burden of proof is ALWAYS on the positive claims.

And you spelled "u" and "vinshu" instead of "you" and "Vishnu". And yes, you're a dumbass for choosing to misspell shit instead of accidentally doing it.


Learn to think first. You were arguing about unlocking MS jutsu. Rinnegan isn't a MS jutsu, it's an higher degree of the Sharingan, so that means Madara hasn't awakened any MS jutsu with Hashirama's chakra. So you still have to prove why Madara and Shisui are somehow different if by your own standards they belong to the same category.

Oh, of course, a manga that talks a lot about DNA, tissue compatibility, organ transfer and alluded tissue rejection back when Yamato was introduced and has shown it when Danzou lost his arm can't possibly incorporate the notion of antigens and antibodies!

That's just preposterous, it's like saying Kishimoto used thermodynamics, atmospheric conductivity, ideal gas law, boiling and melting points of water and gold and molecular heat absorption and we all know that never happened!



Now that I'm done using sarcasm to point out how completely stupid you are, let's talk the talk.

Databook information:

That means chakra is unique to each person and that person's cells are imbued with that chakra. So no "Shisui's chakra is special hurr durr!", he simply had a chakra signature that Ao recognized. And many people in the manga have different chakra colors, Naruto's chakra is yellow and Kurama's red, as hinted here. Many volume covers have shown Sasuke's chakra color is purple and, if the volume cover with Itachi's Susanoo is to be trusted, his chakra's color is golden.

Now let's go to the principles of antigen-antibody interaction and how it is pertinent to tissue rejection. Antigen is a substance (normally a protein in organic entities) that is foreign to the body and, as soon as it is recognized as so, will cause the production of antibodies that attach to the antigen so the immunity system can destroy that foreign entity without harming the own body cells.

This is the principle vaccination is built upon, since most vaccines are just injections of dead viruses/bacteria that still have their antigen so the body can recognize said antigen and produce antibodies much faster and neutralize said viruses/bacteria if they're found alive in the body before they can do any harm. That's why AIDS/HIV is so dangerous, because it destroys the white blood cells that produce the antibodies that would make the body fight it.

So back to the point, our cells have their set of antigens that is common to all of them and will vary from person to person, but they are simply ignored by their own body's immunity system to avoid self-destruction (aka auto-immune diseases). The thing is, if those cells are transfered to someone else's body, the latter may or may not recognize those cells as foreign, that's why compatibility between donor and receiver is a must, because that means the chances of the cells' antigens being very similar (thus not recognized by the body as foreign) is much higher. But, if they are recognized as foreign, antibodies will be created and the body will attack all of those transfered cells. That's what organ rejection entails.

So, knowing that cells from a body have that body's chakra signature and they have the same antigens, it means that, in the event of organ rejection, all cells that share the same chakra will be rejected. That also means that, if Shisui and Hashirama's chakra were the same, all cells with that chakra will be rejected. Guess what, Hashirama's cells went haywire, the body rejected them... and Shisui's eye remained intact. That is simply impossible if the two of them had the same chakra. The logical explanation is that the cells of Shisui present in the arm were overtaken by Hashirama's, thus expelled from the body when the latter were.

After this drop of manga facts, accurate science and logic, I dare you to prove either the mangaka when he wrote what chakra was and/or immunology itself wrong. I double dare you!

And that is true if awakening the three basic MS doujutsu means they only had that bloodline from RS. You can't prove your theory with your own theory, that's circular reasoning, dumbass.

Simple, one needs more information to form an educated guess while the other already has all the information needed to firmly say Tobi=Shisui is as dead as Henry VIII's wives.

The manga states that Shisui's body was found and it was discovered that he died from drowning in the Naka river. The manga also says why Shisui committed suicide. The manga also shows Shisui in the spot of his suicide beaten up and eyeless to boot. The manga also shows the height of Shisui compared to Itachi and the height of Tobi compared to Itachi and they do not match in the least. The manga also says that Itachi was already aware of Tobi days before the former met formally the latter, meaning that Tobi and Shisui existed at the same time in Itachi's awareness before Shisui was dead, since it only took measly days between Shisui's suicide and the Uchiha Massacre. The manga also demonstrates Shisui's and Tobi's personalities, and they do not match.

All those manga facts do not give any logical leeway for Tobi to be Shisui. For Tobi=Shisui to be canon, it has to resort to timeline retcons, characterization rectons, body count rectons and both Itachi and the guys who found Shisui's body to be complete idiots.

First, you have to prove Shisui was there. And second, we know the truth, dumbass. Either Madara or Tobi were controlling him. Is that difficult to understand?

Wrong. A genjutsu AKIN to Kotoamatsukami was said to control Yagura, it was never, NEVER, stated that kotoamatsukami controlled Yagura.

Low on gulibility? Damn right, now I'd be high as a fucking kite if I said even a tenth of the silly stuff you say.

Beside you still having to prove that Gaara or even Killer Bee to be descended from the RS, you're comparing apples to oranges. Of course not anyone can be a Jinchuuriki, it requires a body that is able to handle with a very large amount of noxious chakra pouring from inside. That, however, it's not the case of a MS jutsu. It's a jutsu that only requires chakra from the user and compatibility between donor and receiver (both Obito and Kakashi are blood type O). So, please, do prove why MS jutsu need RS ancestry to be unlocked and with evidence pertinent to the MS alone.

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I just watched the shippuden anime 268 and from what I saw in that episode i got a new theory probably a overlooked one . I noticed when black zetsu attacked the fake fuedal lords, he slipped through the thick floor like a ghost; so is it possible tobi got his ability from black zetsu and perhaps improved on it.

apacolypz

IMO I think that was a simple earth jutsu. Remember Black Zetsu is the land itself quote on quote. Most people also have theorized that Tobi could be part Zetsu or his creator. So maintaining some of his techniques wouldn't be surprising. Another thing to remember is Tobi turned his arm solid black blocking Suigetsu's or whatever his name is sword attack. At this point we have seen minuscule ability traits from Tobi. So far it is easy to assume, Earth and maybe Fire. With the Rinnegan he can use all affinities. His warp ability has to be either MS or an advanced base Sharingan. Some people also have thought Tobi to be hiding his true form within a dimension. who knows. we will see

Vengeance

Just a thought but what if the reason why Kabuto kept Anko alive is as a fail safe. Like say if Sasuke kills Kabuto now a jutsu will trigger that would activate Edo Tensai using Anko as a sacrifice to revive Kabuto.

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Screenshot from Shingeki no Kyojin.

Check out this awesome manga called Magi.