Just a Thought THREAD - Page 47

blake · 01-19-2011, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by NeoKakarott023

Of course not, but that wasn't my point. My point was that it dosen't take the USER of the Summons the amount of chakra use compared to some 'killing blow jutsus' within the manga. Thats all I was attempting to get across, and I wasn't trying to seem like a 'smart guy'.

I know that the size of summons matter to the 'overall' chakra tank of said character, but I was merely speaking on the percentage of chakra actually used by characters that has summoned, and simply by summoning no one was 'crippled', or 'almost out of chakra'.

Wait a minute, hold the phone, I reverse what I said, I just thought about it...IT DON'T TAKE A LOT OF CHAKRA TO SUMMONS FROM THE USER. IF THIS IS TRUTH, THEN SOMEBODY PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME HOW SUIGETSU SUMMONED MANDA, WHOM IS 'ON PAR' WITH BUNTA? HE ONLY HAD SASUKES BLOOD, NOT AN EXTRA CHAKRA TANK, AND SORRY HE'S NOT KNOWN TO BE A CHAKRA POWERHOUSE. UNTIL THAT CAN BE EXPLAINED, HAVE A PROFITABLE DAY.

A lot of characters in the story Chakra > Suigetsu.

The reason why we dint see people being crippled is because those doing the big summons have the amount of chakra needed so it wont make a difference. Of course if shika or kakashi summoned bunta they'd be almost out of chakra but they probably know their limitations so, why would they do this.

and suigetsu probably has an above average amount of chakra. doesnt mean he is particularly strong. I mean, we didnt see juugo or karin summon manda for a reason. maybe he was the only 1 capable of it, so sasuke gave him his blood

NeoKakarott023 · 01-19-2011, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by blake

The reason why we dint see people being crippled is because those doing the big summons have the amount of chakra needed so it wont make a difference. Of course if shika or kakashi summoned bunta they'd be almost out of chakra but they probably know their limitations so, why would they do this.

and suigetsu probably has an above average amount of chakra. doesnt mean he is particularly strong. I mean, we didnt see juugo or karin summon manda for a reason. maybe he was the only 1 capable of it, so sasuke gave him his blood

Really, Suigetsu a huge chakra tank? Also Juugo had the CS, he was THE CS, that all came from, but Suigtsu has more chakra than him? Huge is Naruto, Nagato, Sannin, Kisame, and were putting Suigetsu here, with this group, Really? Okay, to each his/her own. I stated my belief, discussed the options, produced information about summoning, then gave an example that 'made sense' to me. It's not a deal at all, I didn't think it was that important in the first place, just trying to pass on what I learned/knew.

stubborn_d0nkey · 01-19-2011, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by NeoKakarott023

Of course not, but that wasn't my point. My point was that it dosen't take the USER of the Summons the amount of chakra use compared to some 'killing blow jutsus' within the manga. Thats all I was attempting to get across, and I wasn't trying to seem like a 'smart guy'.

you were trying to "help" blake, and correct him, when he was obviously right, which you admit with the bolded

oh and kirin takes (next to) no chakra. preparation doesn't really count. if the cloud was already there he could still do kirin.

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Originally Posted by NeoKakarott023

I know that the size of summons matter to the 'overall' chakra tank of said character, but I was merely speaking on the percentage of chakra actually used by characters that has summoned, and simply by summoning no one was 'crippled', or 'almost out of chakra'.

Wait a minute, hold the phone, I reverse what I said, I just thought about it...IT DON'T TAKE A LOT OF CHAKRA TO SUMMONS FROM THE USER. IF THIS IS TRUTH, THEN SOMEBODY PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME HOW SUIGETSU SUMMONED MANDA, WHOM IS 'ON PAR' WITH BUNTA? HE ONLY HAD SASUKES BLOOD, NOT AN EXTRA CHAKRA TANK, AND SORRY HE'S NOT KNOWN TO BE A CHAKRA POWERHOUSE. UNTIL THAT CAN BE EXPLAINED, HAVE A PROFITABLE DAY.

A lot of characters in the story Chakra > Suigetsu.

I wasn't going to gloat about this shit, but the way some people were attempting to bomb me, I'm gonna Eminem them and bomb the shit they would attempt to say....

Don't bring Sasuke in this, he was far away battling with Deidara, so Suigetsu couldn't have used his chakra.
Karin was in town and not near Suigetsu and couldn't do anything to assist him with the chakra boost for a HUGE FUCKING SUMMONS.
Juugo wasn't near him to implant some 'cursed' flesh to boost Suigestu.

Come on now, theory that, and thanks, this post screwed you when you were attempting to screw me, how did you say it.... Kyf'd yourself?

i did not kyf myself, since suigetsu summoning manda doesn't matter. why doesnt it matter you might ask? well lets take a look at what you posted earlier

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Originally Posted by NeoKakarott023

This is false, and I know because I used to think so. Summoning is only 'reverse summoning' the animal to where you want it, and its only a 'C' level jutsu. It dosen't take a lot of chakra, and the summons uses they're own chakra, not the summoners.

Manga Chapter #29
Anime Naruto Episode #17
Movie Naruto Shippūden 3: Inheritors of the Will of Fire
Video Game Naruto: Ultimate Ninja
Appears in Anime, Manga, Game and Movie
Data
Classification Ninjutsu, Jikūkan Ninjutsu
Rank C-rank
Class Offensive, Defensive, Supplementary
Hand seals Boar → Dog → Bird → Monkey → Ram or Ram[3]
Other jutsu
[hide]Derived jutsu

Amplification Summoning Technique
Earth Release: Wheel of Fortune
Altering Terrain Diagram Scroll
Earth Release Resurrection Technique: Corpse Soil
Hidden Shadow Snake Hands
Many Hidden Shadow Snake Hands
Rain of Spiders
Snake Authority Spell
Summoning: Demonic Statue of the Outer Path
Summoning: Earth Release: Tracking Fang Technique
Summoning: Food Cart Destroyer Technique
Summoning: Impure World Resurrection
Summoning: Iron Maiden
Summoning: Quick Beheading Dance
Summoning: Rashōmon
Summoning: Triple Rashōmon
Summoning: Toad Mouth Bind
Summoning: Toad Shop Technique
Summoning: Torture Chamber

Users

Minato Namikaze (Toads)
Kakashi Hatake (Ninken)
Might Guy (Ningame)
Orochimaru (Snakes)
Jiraiya (Toads)
Naruto Uzumaki (Toads)
Hiruzen Sarutobi (Monkey King: Enma)
Tsunade (Slugs)
Kidōmaru (Kyodaigumo)
Tayuya (Doki)
Temari (Kamatari)
Suzumebachi (Ninhachi) (Anime only)
Kabuto Yakushi (Snakes)
Anko Mitarashi (Snakes)
Amachi (Umibōzu) (Anime only)
Ruiga (Piranha School, Shark) (Anime only)
Gennō (Giant Bird) (Anime only)
Sasuke Uchiha (Hawks, Snakes)
Hanzō (Salamander)
Nagato (Konan, Six Paths of Pain)
Tonbee (Bats) (Anime only)
Shima
Danzō Shimura (Baku ) (Manga only)
Madara Uchiha (Nine-Tailed Demon Fox)
Hiruko (Movie only)
Ichi (Snakes) (Movie only)
Ni (Movie only)
San (Movie only)
Kisame Hoshigaki (Shark)
Motoi (Owl)
Kandachi (Conch King) (Anime only)

A Summoning Technique is a space-time jutsu that allows the summoner to transport animals across long distances instantly.

One method involves just hand signs and blood. With this, before an animal summoning can be performed, a prospective summoner must first sign a contract with a given species.[4] The contract can come in the form of a scroll or a tattoo, which is signed in the contractor's own blood. After this, they need only perform the hand seals, offer an additional donation of blood, and use the same hand they signed the contract with to summon the creature.[5]The amount of chakra used during the summoning determines how big the summoned creature can be. In the anime, it was shown that if a user attempts to summon an animal without first signing a contract, the user will be teleported to the home of the animal they have a natural affinity for.[6]

An alternate form of summoning is to just use a scroll without any hand-signs. In this case hand signs are not necessary, with chakra not even being necessary sometimes.[7][8] By using this method, one can summon creatures with whom one does not have a contract with.[9]

While most summoners have only been shown capable of summoning one type of creature, Pain (through the Animal Path) has been seen summoning several different animals and even people. Pain does not provide a blood offering when performing a summon. Sasuke Uchiha has summoned snakes and hawksat different points, but unlike Pain he can apparently only summon one species at a time. The ability to perform a summoning can be removed with the Contract Seal.

When an animal is summoned it is transported from its place of residence to the summoner's location. Once summoned, the animal can perform a task or help the user in battle. The summon is not required to help the user, and may be more of a hindrance than an ally. In addition, summons are able to summon their summoner. They may also wear a forehead protector, suggesting a loyalty to only one village.

double kyf for you

also, it seems that you dont understand what the word "average" means.

there can be 1000000 people in the sample which are better than you at something and you can still be above average. likewise there can be only 2 people better than you, and you can be average or even below average

oh, and i was attempting to screw you? not really. screw is a little harsh way of describing it. but congrats on screwing me! you did it with style!

kael03 · 01-19-2011, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by NeoKakarott023

IF THIS IS TRUTH, THEN SOMEBODY PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME HOW SUIGETSU SUMMONED MANDA, WHOM IS 'ON PAR' WITH BUNTA? HE ONLY HAD SASUKES BLOOD, NOT AN EXTRA CHAKRA TANK, AND SORRY HE'S NOT KNOWN TO BE A CHAKRA POWERHOUSE. UNTIL THAT CAN BE EXPLAINED, HAVE A PROFITABLE DAY.

He used a Summoning Scroll to bring out Manda. Summoning Scrolls require very little chakra to use.

jericho Uzimaki · 01-19-2011, 02:01 PM

just had a thought.

We all know Naruto "improves" well i think it might be cool if he "improved the" FTG.

How? Well besides the fact that with HIS chakra reserves he could probably teleport a good amount of the villagers if he wanted to?

well what if he managed to make "RFTG -Reverse Flying Thunder God"?!

he could of course port wherever he wanted with the seals but IF he was somehow taught Seals and techs of the Uzumaki, he could reverse summon Whoever he marked?

That could really come in handy. Minato had the Kunai laced with the seals, But if Naruto had Kunai or smoke bombs laced with the reverse summon seals, i think that would be a game changer for Konoha ninja!

If Minato was flee on sight, what the heck would Naruto himself be? I think it fits with his protect everyone close to me thing. i think he would fit ALL of his close friends and Jonin of the village with a "retreat" Kunai. maybe the ANBU.
Not saying he would have everyone FTG-ing ONLY reverse, in when in danger it's an instant trip back to the Leaf village. One time use only, after it's thrown it is deactivated also why i suggested putting it on a smoke bomb or exploding Kunai instant self destruct of the seal.

I am just saying i see it coming for him to get some more "jutsu" that are hand me downs then putting his OWN to it.

But i REALLY wish he would create a TOTALLY unique jutsu that only he can do, unable to teach it to anyone or maybe ONLY Uzumaki's could learn it.

kael03 · 01-19-2011, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by jericho Uzimaki

well what if he managed to make "RFTG -Reverse Flying Thunder God"?!

No. The seal used for FTG is a Reverse Summoning Seal. That's how FTG works. The seals allow the user to reverse summon themselves to that spot. Making it a reverse summoning tech through "improvement" is redundant because it already is a reverse summon.

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he could of course port wherever he wanted with the seals but IF he was somehow taught Seals and techs of the Uzumaki, he could reverse summon Whoever he marked?

Um...you do realize that's what a standard summon is, right? It's bringing someone, or something, to you. Reverse summoning is taking yourself to someone, or something.

blake · 01-19-2011, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by kael03

No. The seal used for FTG is a Reverse Summoning Seal. That's how FTG works. The seals allow the user to reverse summon themselves to that spot. Making it a reverse summoning tech through "improvement" is redundant because it already is a reverse summon.

Um...you do realize that's what a standard summon is, right? It's bringing someone, or something, to you. Reverse summoning is taking yourself to someone, or something.

but also, who is alive to even teach the FTG to naruto. I think kakashi would have if he knew the technique. So are we just gonna have a random character appear and teach naruto his father tech? doesnt work for me

kael03 · 01-19-2011, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by blake

but also, who is alive to even teach the FTG to naruto. I think kakashi would have if he knew the technique. So are we just gonna have a random character appear and teach naruto his father tech? doesnt work for me

I never said anyone would teach him. I was just pointing out Jericho's mistake in how FTG works. But since you asked, Kakashi would be the only person still living to really understand how FTG works, since he trained under Minato and saw it in battle. How extensive his knowledge of it is anyone's guess. But it wouldn't be the first time he knew how to do a "Minato tech" (*cough* Rasengan).

jericho Uzimaki · 01-19-2011, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by blake

but also, who is alive to even teach the FTG to naruto. I think kakashi would have if he knew the technique. So are we just gonna have a random character appear and teach naruto his father tech? doesnt work for me

i understand it is a summoning tech BUT it IS NOT a reverse summoning tech already. the seals on the Kunai or where ever Minato placed them SUMMONED him there not reverse summoned him there.

Naruto could figure it out by someone explaining summoning contracts and HOW Ten Ten summons weapons. Al he has to understand is summoning w/o contracts. OR it may be on the Jutsu scroll thats locked away. Could have been deemed dangerous because if everyone knew it or the enemy did Konoha would be in trouble , so Minato was the ONLY one allowed to keep using it.

If HE put a seal on someone and he got summoned it would be regular FTG. if he summoned them it would be RFTG, because they are coming to him.
(ex. Naruto got SUMMONED by Gamakichi remember? Naruto HAS the seal but he went to them instead.)

just saying it would be cool is all. It sure as hell would help Sakura out when she gets in trouble(you know every time she fights by herself)

blake · 01-19-2011, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by kael03

I never said anyone would teach him. I was just pointing out Jericho's mistake in how FTG works. But since you asked, Kakashi would be the only person still living to really understand how FTG works, since he trained under Minato and saw it in battle. How extensive his knowledge of it is anyone's guess. But it wouldn't be the first time he knew how to do a "Minato tech" (*cough* Rasengan).

sorry about that, i was responding to jericho.

NeoKakarott023 · 01-19-2011, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by stubborn_d0nkey

you were trying to "help" blake, and correct him, when he was obviously right, which you admit with the bolded

oh and kirin takes (next to) no chakra. preparation doesn't really count. if the cloud was already there he could still do kirin.

i did not kyf myself, since suigetsu summoning manda doesn't matter. why doesnt it matter you might ask? well lets take a look at what you posted earlier

double kyf for you

also, it seems that you dont understand what the word "average" means.

there can be 1000000 people in the sample which are better than you at something and you can still be above average. likewise there can be only 2 people better than you, and you can be average or even below average

oh, and i was attempting to screw you? not really. screw is a little harsh way of describing it. but congrats on screwing me! you did it with style!

You are correct about Suigetsu, I have no problem saying when I'm wrong.

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Originally Posted by kael03

He used a Summoning Scroll to bring out Manda. Summoning Scrolls require very little chakra to use.

TY. You are also correct, my point before was 'For Example' when Jiriaya summoned Bunta before, it didn't take like 25% of his total chakra load, thats af fact because he wouldn't have been able to whip off uber jutsu, after uber jutsu, simply to survive Pein. And the way Oro constantly summoned snakes, Edo's, etc. it wasn't a 'massive' drain from their total chakra capacities at the time.

stubborn_d0nkey · 01-19-2011, 06:11 PM

well, couldnt it be because they have a lot of chakra :b

i have the feeling you are fighting a battle we aren't :b

jericho Uzimaki · 01-19-2011, 06:21 PM

Hey Forum Fam something just hit me....okay i must admit that i am part of the "It may be the Real Madara or Maybe Not" crew.

So on the side of It may not be him: Didn't the 1st create Edo Tensei?

Wasn't MADARA around from the beginning of Konoha and before when Senju fought against Uchiha? Then why would he not know how it works? At one point he and the 1st were equals until the Hokage title came about.. BUT still i would think that he seen Hashirama use it. I mean it had to be used before it was forbidden right?

I mean obviously you don't need the scroll to learn it. Orochimaru, Kabuto, and Sarutobi all knew it. When exactly did it become forbidden anyway? between the 3rd hokage rise and Orochimaru's training? i mean it seems forbidden jutsu are self taught among the Leaf. i am sure no one taught Sarutobi the Death God, i twas Minato that used it first.

Anyway just saying Madara should have known how to do it, it was a jutsu from his arch nemesis HE would definitely learn it, even if it is just to counter it.

kael03 · 01-19-2011, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by jericho Uzimaki

Didn't the 1st create Edo Tensei?

No, it was the 2nd Hokage. This just effectively killed the rest of your post so I'll stop the breakdown here.

jericho Uzimaki · 01-19-2011, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by kael03

No, it was the 2nd Hokage. This just effectively killed the rest of your post so I'll stop the breakdown here.

oh okay, you are right post officially deceased via known facts...lol.

not gonna be a a**hole and be like..."so he should still know it!" lol

That being said IF he seems to have knowledge of the Reaper death seal then he has some answering to do. wait a minute how many actual "jutsu" have we seen Tobdara do anyway? besides porting and bending reality to survive Konan.
(who by the way has come the closest to defeating him. something Itachi didn't think HE could do.)

01-19-2011, 02:01 PM	#695
jericho Uzimaki ANBU Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Fayetteville, NC Posts: 1,609 Thanks: 1,846 Thanked 1,549 Times in 500 Posts	Re: Just a Thought THREAD just had a thought. We all know Naruto "improves" well i think it might be cool if he "improved the" FTG. How? Well besides the fact that with HIS chakra reserves he could probably teleport a good amount of the villagers if he wanted to? well what if he managed to make "RFTG -Reverse Flying Thunder God"?! he could of course port wherever he wanted with the seals but IF he was somehow taught Seals and techs of the Uzumaki, he could reverse summon Whoever he marked? That could really come in handy. Minato had the Kunai laced with the seals, But if Naruto had Kunai or smoke bombs laced with the reverse summon seals, i think that would be a game changer for Konoha ninja! If Minato was flee on sight, what the heck would Naruto himself be? I think it fits with his protect everyone close to me thing. i think he would fit ALL of his close friends and Jonin of the village with a "retreat" Kunai. maybe the ANBU. Not saying he would have everyone FTG-ing ONLY reverse, in when in danger it's an instant trip back to the Leaf village. One time use only, after it's thrown it is deactivated also why i suggested putting it on a smoke bomb or exploding Kunai instant self destruct of the seal. I am just saying i see it coming for him to get some more "jutsu" that are hand me downs then putting his OWN to it. But i REALLY wish he would create a TOTALLY unique jutsu that only he can do, unable to teach it to anyone or maybe ONLY Uzumaki's could learn it. __________________ Gamble Joshua the Rogue Transformers:Generations For NaruHina fans First Orange knuckle head ninja The Question

01-19-2011, 06:21 PM	#703
jericho Uzimaki ANBU Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Fayetteville, NC Posts: 1,609 Thanks: 1,846 Thanked 1,549 Times in 500 Posts	Re: Just a Thought THREAD Hey Forum Fam something just hit me....okay i must admit that i am part of the "It may be the Real Madara or Maybe Not" crew. So on the side of It may not be him: Didn't the 1st create Edo Tensei? Wasn't MADARA around from the beginning of Konoha and before when Senju fought against Uchiha? Then why would he not know how it works? At one point he and the 1st were equals until the Hokage title came about.. BUT still i would think that he seen Hashirama use it. I mean it had to be used before it was forbidden right? I mean obviously you don't need the scroll to learn it. Orochimaru, Kabuto, and Sarutobi all knew it. When exactly did it become forbidden anyway? between the 3rd hokage rise and Orochimaru's training? i mean it seems forbidden jutsu are self taught among the Leaf. i am sure no one taught Sarutobi the Death God, i twas Minato that used it first. Anyway just saying Madara should have known how to do it, it was a jutsu from his arch nemesis HE would definitely learn it, even if it is just to counter it. __________________ Gamble Joshua the Rogue Transformers:Generations For NaruHina fans First Orange knuckle head ninja The Question

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