Just a Thought THREAD - Page 55

ask me anything · 03-05-2011, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Senkradlol

You miss understood a bit,

Actually no I didn't.

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but I understand what you mean.

I doubt this very much.

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You're speaking an actual chess game.

:/ The chess metaphor applies to how the war is waged itself, since they parallel each other tactics wise.

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All I meant was, the little knights of the castle 'pawns' are sent out first to stop the whatever, but eventually the higher power 'king' is forced to fight himself since he ran out of knights.. Na'mean?

My hunch was right is seems. You have no clue what your talking about.

No matter how powerful a chess piece is, it can be taken out if enough weak pieces gang up and corner it. So if madara takes his army for granted and looses them, he will soon find himself facing the brunt of the allied forces by himself, and he simply cannot defeat all them by himself. This EXACT principle was shown in the war recently when Darui made the comment about how enough copper pieces together could be worth more then one Gold. Do I really have to explain this further?

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Why should Madara have to get his hands dirty if he doesn't have to;D

I somewhat agree. At least in the sense that Madara should have had the advantage from the start and with the proper planning he should be able to win this war without having to participate. That's not factoring in plot-no-jutsu, and rainbow faggotry of course since they always overrides common sense in this manga.

Senkradlol · 03-05-2011, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ask me anything

Actually no I didn't.

:/ The chess metaphor applies to how the war is waged itself, since they parallel each other tactics wise.

My hunch was right is seems. You have no clue what your talking about.

No matter how powerful a chess piece is, it can be taken out if enough weak pieces gang up and corner it. So if madara takes his army for granted and looses them, he will soon find himself facing the brunt of the allied forces by himself, and he simply cannot defeat all them by himself. This EXACT principle was shown in the war recently when Darui made the comment about how enough copper pieces together could be worth more then one Gold. Do I really have to explain this further?

1. K we'll see.

2. I'm aware. What I meant wasn't even chess related, I said wasn't sure what it was and ended up put it in a chess way.

3.You still don't get it. I even fixed what I said to knights/king in a castle..Knights always protect the king and end up losing then the kings a badass and can hold his own. I'm thinking movie wise.

4. I know..I know how chess works.. What you're trying to say is the "Madara Uchiha" with rinnigan is going to lose to a bunch of weak pieces because that's what happens in chess. Ya..he's going to get caught in that ino-shika-cho combo no doubt. If this was an actual chess game then sure he would lose, but he is like a chess piece that can move anywhere on the board, take anyone out and has 10 lives and the rest of the army are pawns.

I will agree my thoughts are a bit shaky, but I said I couldn't remember what I was originally thinking about and tried to use chess to describe it.

superninja · 03-05-2011, 09:56 PM

I don't know about chess, but I think Tobi and Kabuto should have sent some more power to fight the divisions.
But it is always risky to send your most valuable chess piece into unknown or open it to danger. Also there is no point in playing your ace card unless it really pays. Things to think about.
AMA, you are talking about a controlled game, where you have already planned the outcome and are ready to sacrifice a stronger piece to gain advantage. But in this case, Tobi and Kabuto don't know everything about the strength of the opponent, they might end up losing their strong piece and their weak piece.

Sensei-Q · 03-06-2011, 05:17 AM

AMA, the Chess metaphor applies perfectly.

stubborn_d0nkey · 03-06-2011, 06:26 AM

No chess analogies may be done without my approval (:

Sensei-Q · 03-06-2011, 07:02 AM

No .

stubborn_d0nkey · 03-06-2011, 07:39 AM

I'd allow shogi analogies but no chess ones :P Shogi is a better fit for a ninja war

superninja · 03-06-2011, 10:49 AM

Talking about snake summons, I think snake summons plus mist jutsu is a good combo. Actually a lot of summons plus mist jutsu makes for a deadly combination.
Here's the reason, snakes navigate by scent and heat so they don't need to see the enemy. Dog summons can smell the enemy so they also don't need to use sight. Bugs that Shino uses could maybe track someone by looking for chakra to eat? In any case the mist jutsu is strong combined with animal summons.

ask me anything · 03-06-2011, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Senkradlol

3.You still don't get it. I even fixed what I said to knights/king in a castle..Knights always protect the king and end up losing then the kings a badass and can hold his own. I'm thinking movie wise.

4. I know..I know how chess works.. What you're trying to say is the "Madara Uchiha" with rinnigan is going to lose to a bunch of weak pieces because that's what happens in chess. Ya..he's going to get caught in that ino-shika-cho combo no doubt. If this was an actual chess game then sure he would lose, but he is like a chess piece that can move anywhere on the board, take anyone out and has 10 lives and the rest of the army are pawns.

3. Your basing your argument off what you see in movies. LOLOLOLOLOL

4. In case you haven't noticed people are pulling stuff out their asses here lately. Sai knowing sealing jutsu is a perfect case of this. Ino-Shika-Cho just stopped the fucking Kyuubi twins, LOL. So yes I do believe it is possible for a group of veteran ninja who have experience dealing with T/S jutsu to take madara out. Especially since Madara's teleporting jutsu, is the ONLY reason nobody can touch him.

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Originally Posted by superninja

I don't know about chess, but I think Tobi and Kabuto should have sent some more power to fight the divisions.
But it is always risky to send your most valuable chess piece into unknown or open it to danger. Also there is no point in playing your ace card unless it really pays. Things to think about.

I didn't say they should play the ace card. Manda may be strong but he is by no means an ace. He's just a stronger then average weapon. To me Itachi and Pein are the real aces here. They should definitely be saved for last. I was just saying that instead of evenly dispersing the main fighters among all the divisions, that they should put a few extra in one army, to overpower the enemy, and them that group could reinforce the other forces. Kind of like a snowball effect, where one force meets up with another, and takes out the enemy. Then those 2 force goes to back up another force and beat those enemies. Then those 3 forces team up...etc...until all enemies are dealt with.

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AMA, you are talking about a controlled game, where you have already planned the outcome and are ready to sacrifice a stronger piece to gain advantage. But in this case, Tobi and Kabuto don't know everything about the strength of the opponent, they might end up losing their strong piece and their weak piece.

The same could be said for the shinobi allies. They don't know everything about madara's forces either. The ideal thing for madara/kabuto to do, is keep a few Edo Golems unused to the side, and summon them to battles where they could be most useful. For example, Gaara's division is trying to keep the enemy at bay with long distance attacks as they retreat. The ideal thing for kabuto to do in that situation is have a Edo Golem that's extremely fast (or can fly, etc...) to get behind his forces and summon other Edo golems up to box them in so they can no longer retreat, thus allowing the main forces to quickly catch up to them.

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Originally Posted by Sensei-Q

AMA, the Chess metaphor applies perfectly.

Thanks

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Originally Posted by stubborn_d0nkey

No chess analogies may be done without my approval (:

Pretty please, with cherries on top.

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Originally Posted by stubborn_d0nkey

I'd allow shogi analogies but no chess ones :P Shogi is a better fit for a ninja war

Do you really want another Shogi analogy. Wasn't the Gold and Silver generals enough. How about Shikamaru being called a knight half a dozen times. I'm pretty sure I heard someone get called a pawn. We had a ton of chapter from Asuma a while back talking about the "King" Hmmm, that just leaves the Bishop, Rook, and Lance, and the set will be complete.

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Talking about snake summons, I think snake summons plus mist jutsu is a good combo. Actually a lot of summons plus mist jutsu makes for a deadly combination.
Here's the reason, snakes navigate by scent and heat so they don't need to see the enemy. Dog summons can smell the enemy so they also don't need to use sight. Bugs that Shino uses could maybe track someone by looking for chakra to eat? In any case the mist jutsu is strong combined with animal summons.

I agree. Summons+Mist FTW

Senkradlol · 03-07-2011, 03:11 AM

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Originally Posted by ask me anything

3. Your basing your argument off what you see in movies. LOLOLOLOLOL

4. In case you haven't noticed people are pulling stuff out their asses here lately. Sai knowing sealing jutsu is a perfect case of this. Ino-Shika-Cho just stopped the fucking Kyuubi twins, LOL. So yes I do believe it is possible for a group of veteran ninja who have experience dealing with T/S jutsu to take madara out. Especially since Madara's teleporting jutsu, is the ONLY reason nobody can touch him.

And you're basing your ideas on a real game of chess? Cool I can have my own way of thinking. I said that's how I think is madara/kabuto are going about it. It was just my thought of why they aren't attacking with all their strong people at once. Obviously your way of thinking isn't how its going on at the moment.

Yes a lot of this shit is random, but 1 of the random kyuubi brothers who got sucked up to hype up the little new comers of the war. Is not the same as madara uchiha one of the main villains getting taken out by a bunch of weaker people.

stubborn_d0nkey · 03-07-2011, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by ask me anything

Pretty please, with cherries on top.

Do you really want another Shogi analogy. Wasn't the Gold and Silver generals enough. How about Shikamaru being called a knight half a dozen times. I'm pretty sure I heard someone get called a pawn. We had a ton of chapter from Asuma a while back talking about the "King" Hmmm, that just leaves the Bishop, Rook, and Lance, and the set will be complete.

since you added cherries, sure why not!

and wasn't somebody recently called a rook? or am i mixing it with a different manga :S

AniMeFaN · 03-07-2011, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by stubborn_d0nkey

and wasn't somebody recently called a bishop? or am i mixing it with a different manga :S

mixing it with a differnet manga, kakuza was definitely not referred to as a bishop

stubborn_d0nkey · 03-07-2011, 12:13 PM

I meant rook, lol :P

AniMeFaN · 03-07-2011, 12:33 PM

I haven't read the convo, I thought you were talking about kakuza being called a bishop, you said rook ithought you were referrring to that aand were using sarrcasm

Numinous · 03-07-2011, 01:36 PM

Actually there's a rook (飛) in the manga: Hidan (飛段).

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03-05-2011, 09:56 PM	#813
superninja ANBU Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 1,841 Thanks: 190 Thanked 691 Times in 554 Posts	Re: Just a Thought THREAD I don't know about chess, but I think Tobi and Kabuto should have sent some more power to fight the divisions. But it is always risky to send your most valuable chess piece into unknown or open it to danger. Also there is no point in playing your ace card unless it really pays. Things to think about. AMA, you are talking about a controlled game, where you have already planned the outcome and are ready to sacrifice a stronger piece to gain advantage. But in this case, Tobi and Kabuto don't know everything about the strength of the opponent, they might end up losing their strong piece and their weak piece. __________________ The great off panel war has begun...also called the war of one panel because most fights started and ended in one panel. Also Kin and Gin as substitute for kyuubi chakra (the greatest amount of chakra in Naruto world) is something Kishi pulled out of his ass. I lost major respect. It would be like near the end of LOTR there happens to be another slightly weaker ring and Sauron is like "that will do". It kind of shits on everything established up to that point. It kind of insults my intelligence.

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Sensei-Q ✪✪✪✪✪ Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Mijdrecht, Utrecht, Netherlands. Posts: 4,279 Thanks: 5,192 Thanked 2,904 Times in 1,711 Posts	Re: Just a Thought THREAD AMA, the Chess metaphor applies perfectly. __________________ "Science has made us gods even before we are worthy of being men." Jean Rostand

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03-06-2011, 10:49 AM	#818
superninja ANBU Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 1,841 Thanks: 190 Thanked 691 Times in 554 Posts	Re: Just a Thought THREAD Talking about snake summons, I think snake summons plus mist jutsu is a good combo. Actually a lot of summons plus mist jutsu makes for a deadly combination. Here's the reason, snakes navigate by scent and heat so they don't need to see the enemy. Dog summons can smell the enemy so they also don't need to use sight. Bugs that Shino uses could maybe track someone by looking for chakra to eat? In any case the mist jutsu is strong combined with animal summons. __________________ The great off panel war has begun...also called the war of one panel because most fights started and ended in one panel. Also Kin and Gin as substitute for kyuubi chakra (the greatest amount of chakra in Naruto world) is something Kishi pulled out of his ass. I lost major respect. It would be like near the end of LOTR there happens to be another slightly weaker ring and Sauron is like "that will do". It kind of shits on everything established up to that point. It kind of insults my intelligence.

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AniMeFaN Chuunin Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 721 Thanks: 107 Thanked 196 Times in 129 Posts	Re: Just a Thought THREAD I haven't read the convo, I thought you were talking about kakuza being called a bishop, you said rook ithought you were referrring to that aand were using sarrcasm Last edited by AniMeFaN; 03-07-2011 at 12:36 PM.

03-07-2011, 01:36 PM	#825
Numinous Writing speed: snail Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Porto, Portugal Posts: 4,999 Thanks: 8,692 Thanked 11,773 Times in 4,074 Posts	Re: Just a Thought THREAD Actually there's a rook (飛) in the manga: Hidan (飛段). Edit (for Weaver readers): Chapter XXVII has the first battle in the manga and, although it's just an appetizer for the future 5-parter fight with Ifrit, I'd really appreciate some opinions on it, since I'm not that confident when it comes to fighting scenes. You're also welcome to comment on the rest of the plot so far and what could be changed (just don't ask to change the entire manga altogether). __________________ My writings: Waters of Ocean Darkest Chapters: 1 - 2 Weaver Chapters: 0 - 1- 2 - 3 Björk Season My Top 25 Non-Romantic Songs Last edited by Numinous; 03-07-2011 at 02:02 PM.

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