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hah. no.

how does that make love sickness and a manga readers perspective the reason why naruto doesnt know whats going on? please explain.

Outside..on the island...the room hes in now was BUILT so nobody can sense in or out. btw he didnt sense kisames chakra he sensed his evil intentions, theirs clearly a difference.


This is one of those times for you.



horrible grammar aside, hes been in rikudo pretty much the whole time hes been in the room and doesnt know shit, as stupid as naruto is, i believe its the rooms fault.

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Lol! Maths or language mistake here.

It seems like its maths.

You cant use TS in a speed comparison, since its not speed! IT IS NOT SPEED. IT IS TELEPORTATION (RW meaning)!

Now, kishi f*cked up the usage of the word teleport. Teleportation (manga usage) is not T/S! It is not (!) teleportation in the real world meaning of the word! It is "merely" high speed movement.

Have you watched Heroes? If so let me try to simplify the difference between teleportation (manga usage) and T/S:

T/S--------------------Hiro
Teleportation---------Daphne

We know how summoning works, come on(!), how ignorant can you be? Have you even read the manga?

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^ This; To elaborate further

Lets say you got some dude who isn't really all that fast (Choji for example) but knows FTG. Now lets say he's fighting against Raikage, who is known for his high speed. It wouldn't matter if Choji FTG'd right in front of the dude, because he just isn't fast enough to do anything anyway. By the time Choji pulls his hand back to throw a punch, Raikage has done knocked his ass through a wall. Sure Choji would get a split second advantage because of the surprise factor, but it wouldn't be enough to matter against raikage, since his speed and reaction time more then compensates for it.

So you see T/S doesn't really mean shit compared to raw speed, and the two are not interchangeable at all. In the case of minato he was pretty damn fast anyway. Not anywhere near the level of Raikage, but far above the norm. So FTG complimented his speed greatly.


Also Daphne is fucking hawt. I would seriously wreck that ass. just sayin'.

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^But isn't the whole point of using FTG as a jutsu that the user doesn't have to be 'fast'? Since FTG is summoning which is greater than pure speed. Raikage cannot do anything against FTG since he doesn't know when the user will summon himself.

Not to mean that Chouji doesn't still suck though.

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^ No the point of FTG is it's ability to close the gap between you and the opponent, without having to go from Point A to Point B. This teleportation give it's user a sense of unpredictability since the enemy can't keep track of his movements to plot his course like you could with someone who is just plain fast.

Like I sad though, using FTG without being at least somewhat fast yourself isn't going to help you any. Just look at Minato for example. When he saved Kakashi, in kakashi gaiden, he was fast enough to place a seal on that enemy ninjas foot. If he had been a slow guy he couldn't have done that. The same applies for his battle with Madara. Without speed he wouldn't have been able to do anything.

Also Riakage's fast reflexes mean that he could counter an FTG user as long as they aren't too fast themselves.

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Agreed on the first bit, however you forget that being fast alone is not going to win you the battle in one move. That still means that the fast opponent will have to attack the FTG user a number of times, and each attack presents the FTG user with an opportunity to tag him. Once he is tagged, it doesn't matter how fast he is. He is done for. I think you were talking from the kunai point of view.

So yes, the faster opponent might have an advantage initially, but once he is tagged, it's just an inevitability. There is nothing he can do to remove the tag from himself, which leaves the FTG user with ample opportunities to dispose him off...

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Also, why cant the user just do it mid punch

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My argument was centered around the prospect of the opponent being too fast for the FTG user to attack head-on. That would mean that the only time he can tag him is when he is attacked himself, since he needs to touch him to tag him...

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So based on what your saying. IF Naruto had FTG, it wouldn't be as useful as Minato due to him NOT being physically fast?

Makes sense

Basically just cause u can run fast doesn't mean your reflexes are fast.
Kinda like Foreman with FTG = Dangerous
Bruce Lee w/ FTG = Deadly

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@Wolverine
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tl;dr perhaps it wasn't a reply to your post (or maybe it was...)

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It doesn't necessarily have to be that way in the manga since we have seen examples of people using chakra to augment both their speed and reflexes. But yes, been faster in his base speed itself was what made Minato more badass. I't not saying that he was more lethal or dangerous than Minato based on that alone, since not only was his fighting style reliant on his speed, but it was also totally different from that of Naruto. Also, his temperament and tactics were different, which made him a different kind of fighter.

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@ SD: The only thing I can say about that post is...

Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo.

And I rest my case.

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Ahhhhh not that!!!!!!!!!!

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Thats not all... A shinobi with a T/S jutsu like the FTG vs someone with super reflexes like minato, raikage, sasuke or itachi, but with say average reflexes and physical speed would actually be giving an advantage to the enemy with better reflexes and speed...

Simply put, naruto in base or Sage mode FTG's in front the raikage in supermode or sasuke with his SG capabilities as well.... naruto gives himself to the enemy since he wont be able to execute that attack or tagging of a seal since the shinobi with the super reflexes and physical speed will be able to react and counter before naruto can...

Kind of funny when I think about naruto trying it...

Naruto: (FTGs to the enemies flank) "now I gotcha (Wammm)...
Split second later naruto: "dad, what are u doing here... and theres mom... too...
Nagato: "welcome to the pure world jackass... how did ending hatred go....!?!"

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Erm... like I said before. The guy with superior reflexes only has the advantage initially until he touches Naruto and is then tagged. Unless he has a 1-hit-kill attack. Besides, I think Naruto is resilient enough to endure a few hits from even Raikage. Once he is tagged, his speed and reflexes cannot overcome FTG since reverse summoning>pure speed.

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