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Old 04-14-2011, 11:40 AM   #901
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Re: Just a Thought THREAD

This is what I would like to know, Sasuke's operation to get EMS. How does it work? If it is just a normal eye transplant kind of thing, then the valid question people are asking is why can't two brothers get EMS by just trading eyes (Madara's brother went blind)?
That is why some people made a theory that the two set of eyes fuse in some kind of ritual or something and that is why only one brother can have them. Still, Kishimoto didn't show Sasuke's operation so we don't know what happens there.
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Old 04-14-2011, 12:07 PM   #902
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why can't two brothers get EMS by just trading eyes (Madara's brother went blind)?
Because both eyes need to be functional. Madara's eyes were completely useless so they would have been of no use to his brother.
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Because both eyes need to be functional. Madara's eyes were completely useless so they would have been of no use to his brother.
But in this case if Sasuke achieved MS, him and Itachi could have traded eyes and both have EMS. Still, Itachi made it seem like only one of them could have EMS when he said Sasuke is his eye storage.
I like the "eye fusion" idea better because it makes it more mystical plus that way one of them has to be left out. But we haven't seen the procedure, I think Kishi did that because he wants to keep the mystery around Tobi. If Kishi showed the technique Tobi used when operating on Sasuke then we would know more about him and his abilities/knowledge.
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Also Kin and Gin as substitute for kyuubi chakra (the greatest amount of chakra in Naruto world) is something Kishi pulled out of his ass. I lost major respect. It would be like near the end of LOTR there happens to be another slightly weaker ring and Sauron is like "that will do". It kind of shits on everything established up to that point. It kind of insults my intelligence.

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Old 04-14-2011, 01:21 PM   #904
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But in this case if Sasuke achieved MS, him and Itachi could have traded eyes and both have EMS. Still, Itachi made it seem like only one of them could have EMS when he said Sasuke is his eye storage.
I like the "eye fusion" idea better because it makes it more mystical plus that way one of them has to be left out. But we haven't seen the procedure, I think Kishi did that because he wants to keep the mystery around Tobi. If Kishi showed the technique Tobi used when operating on Sasuke then we would know more about him and his abilities/knowledge.
That is only because Itachi realized that Sasuke hadn't activated his MS when he came to fight him. I personally thought that the eyes were swapped.
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That is only because Itachi realized that Sasuke hadn't activated his MS when he came to fight him. I personally thought that the eyes were swapped.
I am not 100 percent sure, but from my memory there was a part where Itachi said the Uchiha brothers had been stealing each others eyes to gain EMS for a long time and that was one of their curses and their forgotten history (if swapping was possible then why steal the eyes?). I could be wrong, but I think it went something like that. On the other hand Itachi could have been bullshitting Sasuke into fighting him, I don't know.
The important thing is Kishimoto left out the part where Sasuke did the eye transplanting so we don't know if it's just a normal operation or not. With Naruto we saw the training he went to get rikudo mode but with Sasuke we didn't see what happened.
The more I think about it, it could be just a normal operation like you said but the eyes have to be usable. If there was some ritual where the eyes fuse into EMS then Tobi wouldn't need Sasuke at all, he could just make the EMS eyes with a fusion ritual and store them in one of his jars.
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Also Kin and Gin as substitute for kyuubi chakra (the greatest amount of chakra in Naruto world) is something Kishi pulled out of his ass. I lost major respect. It would be like near the end of LOTR there happens to be another slightly weaker ring and Sauron is like "that will do". It kind of shits on everything established up to that point. It kind of insults my intelligence.

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Because both eyes need to be functional. Madara's eyes were completely useless so they would have been of no use to his brother.
But Itachi was completely blind by the end of his fight. So if what your saying is true, then his eyes would be useless to sasuke, yet that clearly isn't the case.
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But Itachi was completely blind by the end of his fight. So if what your saying is true, then his eyes would be useless to sasuke, yet that clearly isn't the case.
Itachi wasn't completely blind. Well almost, but not completely. Yet, I think your logic makes more sense, now that I think about it. Don't know... maybe Madara just never wanted his brother to have his EMS.
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Re: Just a Thought THREAD

From my understanding of Itachi's explanation, the siblings' eyes are fused to create the new Eternal Mangekyo. It makes sense if you think about it. Madara's EMS design looks like a combination of his original Mangekyo and Izuna's Mangekyo. Why Madara gained the eyes instead of Izuna is still up for debate. Itachi claimed Madara ripped Izuna's eyes out, Madara claims Izuna donated them because Madara was the leader of the clan.
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Re: Just a Thought THREAD

Well, from what I can remember Itachi said that using the MS SEALS away the users eye sight and power... But once the brothers MS are gained, a fusion of power happens, a new seal is obviously made that strengths the eyes and allows for full usage of the yang element thus granting a new doujutsu as well...

The question is why is the RGs power full at the start and its opposite takes three levels like SSJ does... IDK, new seal grants MS, eyes need to break a seal and have 3 levels... Its very likely the full eye power was sealed at some point (most likely between RS sons which would explain how the SG came from a swirling pattern doujutsu)...

IDK, its been long enough.. kishi needs to explain this shit.

EDIT: ABout the mechanics of the fusion of the eyes seal of MS... Its likely that it takes one good nature and one bad nature bro to make a MS thus kishi uses another yin and yang reference... I mean madara is clearly more evil then good and since the brother didnt fight for top position despite them both seemmingly equal by Implication of the story.. I think that might be the mechanics... I mean its the only connection of itachi+sasuke and izuna+madara there is at this point because sasuke is obviously the evil one while itachi was kind...
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Re: Just a Thought THREAD

Ok, random thought time.


It was proven possible to get information out of dead people when Inoichi was going through the mind of the Pain body Jiriaya sent back to the village. In about a weeks time Inoichi was able to get the info he needed, despite having to be careful to avoid any mental traps Pain set up.

Now given this, why wasn't the same thing done for Hayate when he was killed. For those of you who don't remember, Hayate was the sickly chuunin exam instructor who overheard Kabuto talking with the sand Jonin guy about the sand villages alliance with Orochimaru. The sand Jonin then killed him minutes later. This all happened at least 2 weeks before the Chuunin exam final happened, You would think in that amount of time Inoichi and his squad of fellow ninja that specialize in mind reading shit, would have been able to get all the info out of Hayate, and discover the truth. If they had the whole war would have went drastically different, and the Leaf would have way more prepared to then they were.

This just illustrates yet another plot hole Kishi created by introducing new characters and powers in part 2. In part 1 we already knew Inoichi's clan had jutsu that dealt with the mind, but we didn't know to what extent until part 2. Furthermore we were lead to believe that his clan was special in this sense, and that these unique abilities were something only the handful of those in his clan could do. Now we've seen dozens of people with this ability. Several more have just popped up lately in the war. One dude tried to get info out kisame. Dozens seem to be imbedded in each division receiving and transmitting signals back to headquarters where yet even more are relaying the messages. Some seem to be with the feudal lords doing likewise.

My point is, by having all these people now that can read minds, it's makes it plain fucking stupid that no one was around back then that thought to do the same thing. As much as Part 2 sucks now, it's even worse that Kishi is going back and essentially taking a dump on part 1 with his ridiculous writing.
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They probably weren't thinking or probably thought he didn't have any important information. It could have also been that there was mind block similar to Pain's.
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Ok, random thought time.


It was proven possible to get information out of dead people when Inoichi was going through the mind of the Pain body Jiriaya sent back to the village. In about a weeks time Inoichi was able to get the info he needed, despite having to be careful to avoid any mental traps Pain set up.

Now given this, why wasn't the same thing done for Hayate when he was killed. For those of you who don't remember, Hayate was the sickly chuunin exam instructor who overheard Kabuto talking with the sand Jonin guy about the sand villages alliance with Orochimaru. The sand Jonin then killed him minutes later. This all happened at least 2 weeks before the Chuunin exam final happened, You would think in that amount of time Inoichi and his squad of fellow ninja that specialize in mind reading shit, would have been able to get all the info out of Hayate, and discover the truth. If they had the whole war would have went drastically different, and the Leaf would have way more prepared to then they were.

This just illustrates yet another plot hole Kishi created by introducing new characters and powers in part 2. In part 1 we already knew Inoichi's clan had jutsu that dealt with the mind, but we didn't know to what extent until part 2. Furthermore we were lead to believe that his clan was special in this sense, and that these unique abilities were something only the handful of those in his clan could do. Now we've seen dozens of people with this ability. Several more have just popped up lately in the war. One dude tried to get info out kisame. Dozens seem to be imbedded in each division receiving and transmitting signals back to headquarters where yet even more are relaying the messages. Some seem to be with the feudal lords doing likewise.

My point is, by having all these people now that can read minds, it's makes it plain fucking stupid that no one was around back then that thought to do the same thing. As much as Part 2 sucks now, it's even worse that Kishi is going back and essentially taking a dump on part 1 with his ridiculous writing.
well that was a few years back Naruto time. So maybe they didn't have or didn't excel in it then. just saying i mean DNA testing has come a long way in just a few years.
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They probably weren't thinking
Kishi wasn't thinking, I'll give you that. Or to put it more bluntly, their was no need for his convenient mind reading hax until part 2. Plot no jutsu my friend. Undeniably the greatest jutsu ever. It even has the power to rip holes in the fabric of the universe that destroy once good mangas.


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or thought he didn't have any important information.
I think the knowledge of who killed him, is pretty damn important. Especially since he was killed in the middle of his own village, at a time when an important event (chuunin exams) was going on.

I promise you, if some pro football player gets killed in his own stadium the night before he's about to play in the Super Bowl, you're going to have the FBI, CIA, local and state police, sheriff department, undercover cops, jailhouse snitches, and any other conceivable resources investigating to the best of their ability. Naw' mean.

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It could have also been that there was mind block similar to Pain's.
Except that it wasn't. The guy was cut by a blade made of wind. Neither was the guy who killed him ever shown to have any kind of jutsu at his disposal.
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Kishi wasn't thinking, I'll give you that. Or to put it more bluntly, their was no need for his convenient mind reading hax until part 2.
True, but there's also the possibility of thinking it's irrelevant to the later intrusion.

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I think the knowledge of who killed him, is pretty damn important.
But they didn't know and couldn't unless they thought the dead body had important info which could give clues to the enemy's secrets in which they would investigate such as the Pain body, for example. That's all they use it for since they don't anticipate attacks unless they were told by the enemy to expect an attack(Madara) and proof of this is that they were invaded twice throughout the series.

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Except that it wasn't. Neither was the guy who killed him ever shown to have any kind of jutsu at his disposal.
They could or couldn't. Not saying they definitely did but not impossible either.
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