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Old 07-19-2011, 03:40 PM   #1201
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Well, I have to disagree, I think my theory that Madara could be Nagato's father is sound...
When it relies on arguments from ignorance, it isn't sound.

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but then the argument gets twisted to the details rather than the main point...
But if the details fail, the main point also fails. Theories are like house of cards, if one aspect falls, expect the rest to fall too.

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and we'll just see.
If I got a dollar from every time theorists say that...
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Old 07-19-2011, 03:45 PM   #1202
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Well, he didn't like the Senju and he infused it into himself
To gain the full powers of the Sage he took Hashirama's "power" and combined it with his own. He still hates the Senju and all things related to them, which includes the Uzumaki.

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........so who knows...........this is where the problem comes, I probably don't have the manga memorized like alot of you guys so I make one possible suggestion and then you take the argument to that point..........there are far too many things that happen in this manga that really don't make sense.........i'm sure you can think of a 100 things right away that have already been written into the manga that by all rational thinking shouldn't have been............
So go back and reread parts that you're trying to use? It's not that difficult to actually do some research for your theories.

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but for your argument why would he team up with Nagato in the first place then?
Gee, I don't know. A Rinnegan user (first one since the Sage himself) seeking out the Bijuu to create a weapon? Seems to go along with his plans to become another Sage (obtain the Rinnegan from the body of Nagato, then use the Bijuu to create the Juubi and become its jink).

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Why would he give him the Rinnegan? If he did literally give him the Rinnegan, what is a better explanation?
It's more likely he didn't physically give Nagato the Rinnegan, but said that to throw Konan off guard and give him an advantage in a fight where he didn't know the full extent of his opponent's power. If he was able to physically give a person the most powerful dojutsu in existence, why would he give it to some random kid from a clan related to the clan he hates? Occam's Razor, dude. There are 2 solutions that create the fewest new assumptions: 1) Madara said that as a ruse to throw Konan off during their fight, 2) Madara started the war that caused the deaths of Nagato's parents, causing enough hatred and strife to awaken the Rinnegan. The first solution is most likely, as Madara wouldn't have been able to determine that the Rinnegan was dormant in Nagato, or that the second War would've awakened it.

Edit: also, stop using "........" as sentence or idea breaks. It's poor grammar (yes, I'm a grammar/spelling nazi). If you're going to start another thought, start another paragraph. If you're going to start another sentence, a single period uses much less effort on your part, and makes you look less like an idiot.

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Old 07-19-2011, 04:08 PM   #1203
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I guess it's over with this one,you were right Numinous i lashed out with no reason sorry for being an idiot. Anyway i gave some thought about the "power " that itachi gave to Naruto and something crossed my mind after reading carcharodon's theory. Maybe itachi gave Naruto some of his Dna ( remember the crow entering Naruto's mouth? ) in the same way that Madara took Hashi's cells. Itachi could have hoped that Naruto will manifest the Rinnegan. I expect that from Kishi, making naruto more haxxed then he is already. I may be wrong but tell me your opinions.
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Old 07-19-2011, 04:11 PM   #1204
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I think you guys are looking at it wrong when it comes to knowing nagato had the rinnigan. He started the war to awaken it in ANY one who the war affected enough, it just happen to be nagato imo
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Old 07-19-2011, 04:14 PM   #1205
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I think you guys are looking at it wrong when it comes to knowing nagato had the rinnigan. He started the war to awaken it in ANY one who the war affected enough, it just happen to be nagato imo
You may be right but the manga hints that it has something to do with the fact that he is an Uzumaki.
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Old 07-19-2011, 04:26 PM   #1206
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I think you guys are looking at it wrong when it comes to knowing nagato had the rinnigan. He started the war to awaken it in ANY one who the war affected enough, it just happen to be nagato imo
Um...I believe I covered that:

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Occam's Razor, dude. There are 2 solutions that create the fewest new assumptions: 1) Madara said that as a ruse to throw Konan off during their fight, 2) Madara started the war that caused the deaths of Nagato's parents, causing enough hatred and strife to awaken the Rinnegan. The first solution is most likely, as Madara wouldn't have been able to determine that the Rinnegan was dormant in Nagato, or that the second War would've awakened it.
The odds that the Second War would've caused enough pain and strife to awaken the Rinnegan, a dojutsu that hasn't been seen in thousands of years and was considered a myth to the few that knew of it, are extremely slim. Even with the population of the continent that Naruto takes place on. Even still, there's the detail that Madara would have to search dozens of villages and millions of people to find the one person that obtained a legendary dojutsu.
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Old 07-19-2011, 04:33 PM   #1207
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I don't think that Madara (supposedly) started the Second War with the sole intent of producing the Rinnegan, because that's an act of fluke.

If we consider that Kirigakure didn't participate in the 2nd or 3rd Shinobi World Wars and Yagura was in power, it seems that Madara could have incited the Second War to destabilize other nations and reinforce his niche, and the latter might have been the reason why Kirigakure didn't enter the Third War either.
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Old 07-19-2011, 04:36 PM   #1208
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The odds that the Second War would've caused enough pain and strife to awaken the Rinnegan, a dojutsu that hasn't been seen in thousands of years and was considered a myth to the few that knew of it, are extremely slim. Even with the population of the continent that Naruto takes place on. Even still, there's the detail that Madara would have to search dozens of villages and millions of people to find the one person that obtained a legendary dojutsu.
The odds aren't zero though, he probably did kill the other small villages trying to find it then got mad and started the war to find it faster.

He did go on to say that he was the reason, i think?, why nagato started ataksuki. So he could be just messing with her head.
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I'm not saying Madara did start the Second War, in fact I'm against it. I just listed it because it is a more likely cause of the Rinnegan than "he knocked up an Uzumaki" or some other convoluted theory. I believe he only said that because he wanted to throw Konan off her game and give him an advantage in the fight where he didn't know the full extent of her skills. The easiest way to beat someone is to anger them, make them fight with their emotions instead of their brains. They'll play a trump card too soon and make mistakes that can be deadly.


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The odds aren't zero though, he probably did kill the other small villages trying to find it then got mad and started the war to find it faster.
The odds are exponentially small, though, that a war would awaken the Rinnegan. Especially when there was a War that occurred before the one that woke the Rinnegan in Nagato. Combined with the population of the continent, it would be too much to think that Madara created the war in an effort to awake a Rinnegan in some random kid.

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He did go on to say that he was the reason, i think?, why nagato started ataksuki. So he could be just messing with her head.
See solution 1 in my post. And it was Yahiko that started Akatsuki, Nagato took over after Yahiko sacrificed himself against Hanzo.

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It bugs me that such a manipulative fellow like madara was able to deceive so many intelligent guys and in the end he will get his ass handed to him by a simpleton.
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Old 07-19-2011, 04:41 PM   #1211
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Don't you miss this manga prior to it being hijacked by magik eyeballs ?
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See solution 1 in my post. And it was Yahiko that started Akatsuki, Nagato took over after Yahiko sacrificed himself against Hanzo.
That's right my bad, didn't he say he is the one who made yahiko start it though?

I'm all for him saying it just to throw her off her game, I would just like to have the "bad" guy actually being menacing and to actually have planned so far back for his goal.
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He didn't "make" Yahiko do anything. He claimed that he "encouraged" Yahiko to start Akatsuki, and because of that he claims to be the legit leader of Akatsuki.
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Don't you miss this manga prior to it being hijacked by magik eyeballs ?
Yeah...it was quite promising...
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All I know is I saw Nagatos's Father fall to the hands of Konoha Shinobi, right before his Momma got the business, and he wasn't an Uchiha by any means, the result woulda came out different, the people that attacked Nagato's parents weren't Uber shinobi that people even mentioned by name. Could he have been a 'orphan' child... doubt it, or people simply fronting for Madara, meh, he coulda sent somebody, or came himself at any time to 'shake Nagato up', he didn't have to wait for a circumstantial situation to pop up. I also may be wrong, but I assumed that he bothered the right people, to start the war, to create the correct conditions for Rinnengan, but at the same time its odd for Nagato supposedly an Uzimaki to be living in the Rain Village under Hanzo's rule, and from what I gathered Hanzo musta been around BEFORE Nagato was even born, Hanzo's dealings supposedly brought war to their doorsteps, even if they were 'monkey in the middle'.
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