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Fujin VS Raijin(Naruto vs sasuke) Itachi Justu
The first thing I have to introduce my readers to is the importance of the cover pages in Naruto and how to understand them.
Kishimoto has a definite outline of Naruto planned. Little bits of information that he planted in part one play a big role in part two. (For example medical ninja or nature Chakra) Fact is that the plot is already laid out. Kishimoto doesn't keep his plot a secret. He already gives you tips all the time and tells you exactly what he's doing (For example the Sannins are taken from a Japanese story called “The Legend of the Gallant Jiraya”) And actually he's already told us what to do. He himself has told the readers that we can predict the storyline and not only the next 10 chapters. Spoiler! Quote: Look underneath the underneath I've decided that the easiest way to look underneath the underneath are the cover pages. Kishimoto isn't restricted to the plot in these pages. That is why he can hide his information in them best. And that is the reason that my theory has its fundamental proof in cover pages. As you definitely know, Naruto is a Manga that uses several myths as its basis. For example the figure of Uchiha was, for some part, taken from Tengu. In this theory we will be looking at more major myths in Naruto. We will be looking at the myth that Kishimoto wants us to find out here: http://i358.photobucket.com/albums/o...1StormGods.jpg Quote: The curtain on the legend of their battle opens http://i358.photobucket.com/albums/o...n-tawaraya.jpg We will start with a short history lesson on something that happened in the 13th century. Kublai Khan, a grandson of Genghis Khan, who was known as the “ruler over the ocean” attacked Japan. The Japanese army was outnumbered by far by the Mongolian army of Kublai. However Japan was saved by several typhoons that hit the Mongol fleets. The Mongolian troops couldn't invade Japan after this. These typhoons that saved Japan are known as Kamikaze, the divine wind. All in all it was a giant storm that destroyed the majority of the ships. This is the history behind this time but since humans saw this happen they had to find a reason for this lucky coincidence. This is where Japanese Mythology begins. Folklore says that Fujin (the wind god) or Raijin (the lighting god) created this storm and made the typhoons. So I'll tell you how I interpret this: Genghis Khan, the leader of the ocean is obviously the Mizukage, the leader of the Water country / Hidden Mist. His grandson is the current Mizukage from the Manga. Japan resembles Konoha in this myth. So the Hidden Mist will attack Konoha and lose. There are several figures that Sasuke and Naruto should be associated with. Here I'm talking about Fujin and Raijin. Kishi gives us the tip on this page. http://i358.photobucket.com/albums/o...ikanoJutsu.jpg Spoiler! http://i358.photobucket.com/albums/o...1StormGods.jpg Quote: The Wind God, The Thunder God, Wrapped in Stormy Winds This page indicates that Kishimoto took this myth into account. Naruto is Fujin, the wind god and Sasuke the lightning god. Together they would be storm gods. But I should prove this solidly, so Fujin and Raijin were both demons in the beginning that were brought to heaven and for ever fought for heavenly reasons. The links to Sasuke and Naruto are obvious. Naruto, who uses the wind element and Sasuke who uses the lighting element. Also check this out. Sasuke has sinister Chakra, even more sinister than Kyuubi's demonic Chakra and Naruto uses Kyuubi who is a demon. But Naruto uses these powers for good. He has the powers of a demon but uses them for good. Now Sasuke is good as well for these reasons and more but I'll get to that later. Alright and now to the typhoon and the storm in general. Naruto and Sasuke both have Jutsu that relate them to giant storms. Naruto will be developing the typhoon-Rasengan. Until now Kishi has given us the spoiler through the development of “hurricane whirlpool” but not typhoon... Spoiler! http://i358.photobucket.com/albums/o...ikanoJutsu.jpg Sasuke on the other hand probably has Susano'O, the god of Storms and of course he uses Kirin. Spoiler! http://s358.photobucket.com/albums/o...nt=SusanoO.jpg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...-no-mikoto.jpg Spoiler! http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?im...a%3DG%26um%3D1 Possibilities are that Naruto on his own will save Konoh or the combined efforts of Naruto and Sasuke will save Konoha creating the “storms” that destroy Madara's, the Ocean-emperor's, invaders. One thing is for certain though, the next time Naruto and Sasuke meet, Konoha will be in war with the Hidden Mist. Kishimoto has suggested this himself in Spoiler! http://i358.photobucket.com/albums/o...sofControl.jpg Quote: Rivers divided will once again meet in the ocean... The rivers divided represent Naruto and Sasuke who parted and they'll meet again in the ocean. This ocean will have to be the war between these countries. Now let's guess the meaning of this page: Spoiler! Here Kishi built in the information to the plot... It is weird, I mean what was Sasuke doing there. It isn't plot-relevant so it's probably hidden information. Again Naruto and Sasuke meet in the Ocean. Notice that Naruto couldn't get him here though and drifted off into the Kyuubi's cage... I don't think that he will in the future though. Saving Sasuke and controlling Kyuubi thus falling for “darkness” must happen simultaneously. Now, one could think that they'd meet in battle but Sasuke is good. And he has been for a couple chapters, since he found out about Itachi. He's taken Itachi's place in Akatsuki. Why do I think so? Spoiler! http://s358.photobucket.com/albums/o...Nine-tails.jpg Quote: Tell him that I wait... That I wait beyond the fringes of Humanity Arguably the beginning of the Sasuke-introduction. Sasuke is talking to Naruto. Quote: Beyond the fringes of humanity Read it again! He is waiting for Naruto in the darkest place of all. He is waiting in the dark, on Akatsuki's side he is waiting for Naruto. This already predicted Sasuke joining Akatsuki but even more than that. He didn't just join Akatsuki for the heck of it. This myth goes back to the very beginning however. All the way back to Haku! Spoiler! The place that Naruto and Sasuke bonded for the first time... The ice Jutsu. The combination of water and wind, the parts to a storm. Combined. At the present time of the Manga I actually think that the introduction in Naruto and their mission is a summary of the plot. Spoiler! http://i358.photobucket.com/albums/o...ightbegins.jpg Quote: The sky and ocean which cannot be mixed. The two hearts which cannot be reconciled... This is another very important cover page. It may at first seem like inevitable combat. But as Kishimoto says: Look underneath the underneath. What is that which combines Ocean and sky? A storm or a typhoon! Since the first sentence isn't valid the second one isn't either. They will be reunited in the Hidden Mist invasion. Sasuke will continue acting like he belongs to Madara until he turns on him after Naruto fight. Kishomoto talks of it not being able to be combined but he still couldn't not give us a tip. There is a second, more Manga related concept behind all of this: The connection of Senju and Uchiha. Senju and Uchiha can never be combined. Naruto and Sasuke, greatest natural enemies. They are enemies by heritage! Minato and Fugaku (Sasuke's father) But it's always been this way. Senju and Uchiha can't be combined effectively and if they can at all then in war! Catch this: Spoiler! Kakashi is one of those combinations. He gained the Sharingan when Obito died. He gained the Sharingan when Konoha had war. Naruto and Sasuke admitted their bonding the first time when they fought Haku. Again a Senju and an Uchiha connected in battle. The same for the Senju clan and the Uchiha clan. When in constant war they connect. But when in peace they become rivals again. Look at Uchiha and Senju when Senju eradicated the entire clan in the end. And Sasuke left the village after nearly killing Naruto. Or another example would be Kakashi. He is an Uchiha and a Senju in one. They combined when fighting an enemy together. And when Kakashi gets into fights he still uses the Sharingan. So he literally connects with Uchiha when in war. The same for Naruto and Sasuke. In war they can count on each other. But look at this now: Spoiler! Now who cares about the girls... I mean Kishimoto definitely doesn't. But look at the background! A typhoon and Naruto and Sasuke facing away from Sakura and Ino who are in conflict. They literally turn their backs on the conflict. The typhoon is the place where Sasuke and Naruto forget their fight Last edited by SenjuGod; 03-13-2009 at 10:15 AM. |
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Re: Fujin VS Raijin(Naruto vs sasuke) Itachi Justu
#1 no need for "spoiler" writen al over the text, this is the manga section
#2 we didnt get "bits of info" in part 1 that can releate to the latest concepts kishimoto uses in part 2 (see yin/yang manipulation). the manga evolves, the characters evolve, plot evolves, it changes to the author's desire. kishimoto seems to know what he wants but he only builds on the briks laied in 1st part and when something doesnt fit, we are served a nice PnJ suported by exotic explications/flashbacks. #3 the fact that kishimoto uses japanese mithology it doesnt mean that he copyes it word by word and superimposes it over the narutoverse. most of the concepts borowed are only used on a basic lvl, without looking in deep in them (see hinata) #4 you overthink it. yeah what you serve us in this post seems "profound" but this manga is becomeing more easyreadable (imo way way to easy) to acomodate for the western (can you say dumb) market. the times when you had to have some intelectual power to understand things has passed (bad). kishi serves us all, on a plate, and is ours to take. just look around here. what some predicted some time ago happens now in almost a word by word way. this didnt happened 5 years ago, not at the same extent.
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Re: Fujin VS Raijin(Naruto vs sasuke) Itachi Justu
SenjuGod, you rock!! This is awesome.
Madara invading the Konoha soon seems pretty plausible because Konoha is on it's knees. Let the fight begin!!!! So, you are saying, in Japanese folklore the wind and the lightning are together only when they are fighting which means Sasuke and Naruto will unite against a common enemy.
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The great off panel war has begun...also called the war of one panel because most fights started and ended in one panel. Last edited by superninja; 03-13-2009 at 09:15 AM. |
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Re: Fujin VS Raijin(Naruto vs sasuke) Itachi Justu
ur theory is quite nice..you should link us to some coverpages where you are getting your source.
coverpages in series 1 also uggested that naruto was going to be a toad sage....sasuke was going to be represented by snake ...and then hawk...there were pictures of slugs around sakura once... |
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Re: Fujin VS Raijin(Naruto vs sasuke) Itachi Justu
![]() this concepts are used b4 timeskip they dont qualify as bits of info for part2
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Re: Fujin VS Raijin(Naruto vs sasuke) Itachi Justu
To add to your theory SenjuGod Fuujin and Rajin while still demons where both defeated by Buddha when he led a celestial war against the demons from which both Fuujin and Raijin held ranks.
In this adaptation of mythology Pain is Buddha as he represents the 6 paths of Buddhism. And through conflict with his ideals I think both characters Sasuke and Naruto will find their paths like their representations Fuujin and Raijin (also commonly known as Raiden) |
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so the manga is comeing to an end quite soon right ?
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i belive naruto is going to be the posser of the 4 paths of Bhudhvista the 4 nobler reallmshttp://buddhistlinks.org/RealmsTen.htm
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I didn't say that, although Kishi has stated that he wants to end the Naruto manga.
I'm not boasting any of this to be true adaptations of mythology, as a mythos geek I relish in the different things Kishi has literally converted from mythos to ink. From their characters' personalities to their different techniques/powers they do have similar qualities, and one could ever so faintly see where he must of gotten inspiration. But just because he drew something and created something while thinking about something else doesn't mean it's going to be a carbon copy of the original. Understand? Naruto the character and the manga still in my opinion have much more to give us in terms of plot advance and character development, which in my opinion sets the end date in approx. a year or two. |
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there is another myth involving Itachi meeting naruto giving some power i will explain it in my other edition( the justu itachi gave naruto is some type os sasanoo
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so you think that after this fight (where naruto achived Bodhisattvahood, being ready to sacrifice himself, by releaseing kyuubi, to kill pain) he will advance to the 10th state right ?
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i found it they are the four sagely paths( the four reallms ) go to to this site
http://web.singnet.com.sg/~alankhoo/...lm.htm#Sravaka 7. Sravaka (Sound-Hearer Arhat) It is the first path of the Four Holy (or Sagely) Paths. An Arhat is one who has attained the renunciation of all desires and no attachment to anything. Thus he will be liberated from the reincarnation of the Six Paths as soon as his karmic causes are completely retributed. In this path, it is the joyful state of existence beyond the worldly birth and death because they are enlightened that the worldly phenomena are unreal and impermanent. Sravaka is enlightened while they listen to the Four Noble Truths. Therefore, it is also known as Sound-Hearer Arhat. 8. Praetyka-Buddha (Those enlightened to conditions) Praetyka-Buddha is also an Arhat, but more superior to the Sravaka. They are enlightened by understanding the Law of Dependent Originations or the Twelve Links of Dependent Originations. Arhat is devided into four grades of arhatship or fruitions or phala. 1.Srota-aparnna --- the one who has entered the stream of holy living. It is the first stage of the arhat, that of a Sravaka. 2.Sakradagamin --- the one who comes to be born once more. It is the second grade of arhatship involving only one birth. 3.Anagamin --- the one who will not be reborn in this world (i.e. Six Paths), but in the Form Realm or Formless Realm, where he will attain Nirvana. 4.Arhan --- the one who enters Nirvana. All Karma of reincarnation is destroyed. He also reaches a state of no-lower learning. He is the highest Saint in Hinayana in contrast with the Bodhisattva as the saint in Mahayana. |
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I think NaRUTO IS POTRAYED AS bHUDDHA ONE WHO WILL ENLIGHTEN MANKIND TO PEACE
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