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Old 03-19-2009, 09:45 PM   #166
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That's just it. Nagato himself is trying to make amends for the wars that took his family and friends. His idea may be warped, but he too is/was a victim. The fact that Tobi took advantage of his emotional trauma is what created the person he is.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/440/10/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/440/11/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/440/12/

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So? I fail to see what the difference between being evil and have the wrong ideals, do not all sadistic killers do it "in the name of God," or whatever? No one who's evil believe they are, Pain is no different (who I suppose does it in his name, since he considers himself a god). Child abuse is child abuse, murder is murder, as much as Nagato's life is a sad story, so are those of his victims, whose lives far outnumber his...
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Old 03-19-2009, 09:47 PM   #167
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I predict Sage mode will kill the last path, and the Naruto will then tell Nagato his answer to Pain's previous question. What Kishimoto intends for that answer to be, I'm not going to guess.

It will be somthing about giving example of love to others I think so...
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So? I fail to see what the difference between being evil and have the wrong ideals, do not all sadistic killers do it "in the name of God," or whatever? No one who's evil believe they are, Pain is no different (who I suppose does it in his name, since he considers himself a god). Child abuse is child abuse, murder is murder, as much as Nagato's life is a sad story, so are those of his victims, whose lives far outnumber his...
No, you see what I am trying to show is that the manga is beginning to hint at Pain being a victim. Thus pushing the idea that Nagato might change given the right words, thus Naruto sustains himself from killing him, thus Nagato survives or dies (by other means.)
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No, you see what I am trying to show is that the manga is beginning to hint at Pain being a victim. Thus pushing the idea that Nagato might change given the right words, thus Naruto sustains himself from killing him, thus Nagato survives or dies (by other means.)
I think he'll die no matter what, probably not by Naruto, but most likely from a) continuing the fight with Naruto and dying from over-exertion or b) Madara kills him.
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I'm curious if we'll see an introduction to the real Rikudou. It seems almost inevitable. Perhaps he'll be the final sensei of Naruto's before Naruto faces off against Madara - who I suspect will somehow fusion the powers of the tails inside himself. Now that would be epic.
Rikudou is kind of dead! He was rumored to have started the ninja world. Rumored to have made the frickin' MOON! If he were still alive, he'd be thousands of years old.

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I agree cause Minato seemed really worried about him. He is also part of the reason i think Minato wanted to keep the fact Naruto was his son a secret.
Also, note that Minato said that he expected the Third to tell all this to Naruto. I made a theory on this a long time ago, that the Third planned on telling Naruto his parentage after the Chuunin Exams. I assumed that Minato had enemies that would kill his son as revenge. Of course, anyone who'd try to attack Naruto for revenge against Minato now will be digging his own grave.

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I think Akatsuki was already around by Minato's death.
It was formed about 5 years before the Kyuubi attack, if memory serves. I think Madara, Pain, Konan, Zetsu, Kakuzu, and Sasori were six of the founding members. I believe there were normally ten members at a time. Kakuzu meantions that he's been through a lot of partners (having killed most of them), so I assume a lot of guys got replaced.
Orochimaru joined sometime after leaving the Leaf Village. Kisame joined arround that time, I think. Itachi joined right after the Uchiha maisicre. Diedra and Hidan joined shortly before the series bagan. And we all know when Tobi "joined".
I also don't think their plan was always to gather Biiju. Because, won't it have been easier to capture Gaara when his dad decided he was a liability? To capture Naruto when no one would want to protect him? Something else is going on here that we don't know about.

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His crocodile tears aren't enough to make amends for Jiraiya and the pain Konoha went through (no pun intended).
But...crocodiles can't cry. They don't have--OH, now I get it!
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Old 03-19-2009, 10:00 PM   #171
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I wonder who he hits next for not telling him he is the 4ths son >.>
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He'll take a huge dump on Sarutobi's grave.
He'll take naked pics of Tsunade while she sleeps and spread them around konoha.
If kakashi is still alive , he'll kill him.
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I wonder who he hits next for not telling him he is the 4ths son >.>
Tsunade. He's going to slap her boobs.
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I wonder who he hits next for not telling him he is the 4ths son >.>
Tsunade? (Anyone ever notice how her cleavage is huge in the anime but is freakin' ridiculous in the manga? Like almost to the point of carnival attraction strange?)
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Tsunade? (Anyone ever notice how her cleavage is huge in the anime but freakin' ridiculous in the manga? Like almost to the point of carnival attraction strange?)
motorboat?
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If Negato truly wants peace, and this is all he could come up with, he is different from the others. He doesnt kill for completely selfish reasons like Orochumaru, or blindly like most of Akatsuki. He does what he does for world peace. Naruto, Jiraya, Minato, nor anyone else came up with a better plan to stop the cycle of ninja village and country feuding. Pain supposedly only wants to bring about Peace through destruction. The ends dont justify the means in his case, but the his ends are for Peace, unlike any other bad guy. This is what sets him apart and leaves room for him to come around if shown a potentially better way.
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If Negato truly wants peace, and this is all he could come up with, he is different from the others. He doesnt kill for completely selfish reasons like Orochumaru, or blindly like most of Akatsuki. He does what he does for world peace. Naruto, Jiraya, Minato, nor anyone else came up with a better plan to stop the cycle of ninja village and country feuding. Pain supposedly only wants to bring about Peace through destruction. The ends dont justify the means in his case, but the his ends are for Peace, unlike any other bad guy. This is what sets him apart and leaves room for him to come around if shown a potentially better way.
So did Adolf Hitler, Josef Stalin, Milosevic, Lenin, Mao, etc etc. We all do things for apparently noble purposes, the reality is a completely different thing. I fail to see how chakra-nuclear attacks are alright, essentially he will bring world peace, via an age of terror... he's like the six bodied, slightly less weird, Robbespierre of the Narutoverse...
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Not "noble", Peace. I dont know most of the people u named, but Hitler was selfish and dillusional.
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Not "noble", Peace. I dont know most of the people u named, but Hitler was selfish and dillusional.
Well they all were as is Nagato. They all however believed in the "greater Good," that they were supporting and Hitler did believe that his eradication of the Jews would indeed help the world.
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The real prediction begins on what is Madara's drive?
I mean if its to crush kono....pain just did that what the heck does he want to accomplish?
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