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Old 03-19-2009, 10:23 PM   #181
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Not the world. His world for people of his race. Negato wants to end it throught the ninja world for all ninja, not just for the rain, or for People with Rinnegan, or who only worship his God. Negato may have warped "noble" reasons, but his end game is peace for all, and not just a certain people or certain color, or certain village, or anything.
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Old 03-19-2009, 10:26 PM   #182
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Not the world. His world for people of his race. Negato wants to end it throught the ninja world for all ninja, not just for the rain, or for People with Rinnegan, or who only worship his God. Negato may have warped "noble" reasons, but his end game is peace for all, and not just a certain people or certain color, or certain village, or anything.
Just like Stalinism.
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Old 03-19-2009, 10:28 PM   #183
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The real prediction begins on what is Madara's drive?
I mean if its to crush kono....pain just did that what the heck does he want to accomplish?
Power, respect, destruction, war, amusement? Become Hokage? hahaha

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Old 03-19-2009, 10:32 PM   #184
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I dont know what that is, but i gurantee that anyone who used world peace as a way to harm others was just a selfish, slick talking "politician" like the Bush family and any other leader that pretendended to be for the people, just to get the support of the people to help them achieve their personal goals. Pein gains nothing by selling a bomb that someone will use to destroy the world except what he hopes will lead to world peace, nothing more than that. Nt even the Rain village will be protected from that nuke
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Old 03-19-2009, 11:24 PM   #185
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Agreed! Nagato/pain isnt about to have a change of heart because a child tells him hes wrong. Nagato is the Makoto Shishio of naruto in that his mind is made up and hes willing to die for his ideals. Kindness and mercy for nagato will just get naruto impalled when he drops his guard IMO.

Awesome quote with Shishio Makato!!!! I fucking love that arc in Kenshin.
I been thinking Kishi might throw us a curve ball right after this chapter. we just might see alot of plot holes covered within the next couple of months.
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Old 03-19-2009, 11:41 PM   #186
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I Guess next chapter would be talking + fighting..
Naruto will try to explain him...
And Pain will lose..n at tht time Naruto will not kill him but forgive him...and say this is my way of ninja....And this is the way how there can be peace in ninja world....
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Old 03-19-2009, 11:56 PM   #187
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If Negato truly wants peace, and this is all he could come up with, he is different from the others. He doesnt kill for completely selfish reasons like Orochumaru, or blindly like most of Akatsuki. He does what he does for world peace. Naruto, Jiraya, Minato, nor anyone else came up with a better plan to stop the cycle of ninja village and country feuding. Pain supposedly only wants to bring about Peace through destruction. The ends dont justify the means in his case, but the his ends are for Peace, unlike any other bad guy. This is what sets him apart and leaves room for him to come around if shown a potentially better way.
Thats why i dont consider Pain a total bad guy.

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So did Adolf Hitler, Josef Stalin, Milosevic, Lenin, Mao, etc etc. We all do things for apparently noble purposes, the reality is a completely different thing. I fail to see how chakra-nuclear attacks are alright, essentially he will bring world peace, via an age of terror... he's like the six bodied, slightly less weird, Robbespierre of the Narutoverse...
How in the freaking hell are you even going to compare those evil evil evil men to Pain. That comparison doesnt even come fucking close. What they did was not for no damn greater good. They wanted a perfect fucking race and thats all they wanted. They were pure evil men. Pain is not evil like them by any means neccessary. Pain wanted to end war... he wanted to end fighting and he wanted to end pain. Those damn idiots didnt want to end shit but cause more pain and get rid of what they thought was trash. Im not trying to be mean or anything but seriously you would have to be a complete idiot to even try and make that comparison.

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Old 03-20-2009, 12:00 AM   #188
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I could see nagato getting found by team Shika next chapter. Maybe then we could see if hes capable of defending himself.
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Old 03-20-2009, 12:07 AM   #189
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My great Predict
Naruto will defeat Deva Path and forgive Nagato for what he done after that Nagato will committed suicide by Razor
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Old 03-20-2009, 12:14 AM   #190
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The next chapter Naruto will be interrupted by Madara or talk some more to Pain. Man this is annoying.

So Madara is a manipulative loser. Hmm.. Yondy couldn't defeat him. The ninetails is needed to face him perhaps, but it's like a bug against fire in terms of kyuubi going against Madara. He still didn't reveal any kyuubi jutsu though. This blows.

Edit: That jutsu Madara uses to make shit go through him.. It must be a wind type.. Dissolving into nothing, Stuff going through him(you can't hit the air). That must be it and as for traveling he probably travels along the wind's breath.

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Old 03-20-2009, 12:45 AM   #191
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How in the freaking hell are you even going to compare those evil evil evil men to Pain. That comparison doesnt even come fucking close. What they did was not for no damn greater good. They wanted a perfect fucking race and thats all they wanted. They were pure evil men. Pain is not evil like them by any means neccessary. Pain wanted to end war... he wanted to end fighting and he wanted to end pain. Those damn idiots didnt want to end shit but cause more pain and get rid of what they thought was trash. Im not trying to be mean or anything but seriously you would have to be a complete idiot to even try and make that comparison.

He doesn't want to end pain, he wants to show them peace THROUGH pain. (Fear)And comparing them isn't completely inaccurate in the following manners; They all believed to be doing the right thing from their perspective while crushing all and anything who got in the way.
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He doesn't want to end pain, he wants to show them peace THROUGH pain. (Fear)And comparing them isn't completely inaccurate in the following manners; They all believed to be doing the right thing from their perspective while crushing all and anything who got in the way.
Omg are you freaking serious.. your comparing pain to people who killed anyone that they didnt think fit in. People that they didnt think look right. So they wanted to kill them so they could have a perfect race. You cant compare Pain to people who used the skins of those bodies to make lamps and shit. Pain is no where near them. Thats the worse comparison ever. Anyhow i will not reply to any more of these type of comparisons period.

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Old 03-20-2009, 01:00 AM   #193
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Pein is just a little confused on the inside...

I would be too if I were him...

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Pein is pretty much a gray guy. He is not evil nor is he good. He has not been abe to fully comprehend what has been really going on in his own life since forever. He could not understand what the power of his eyes were doing to him, so he was always confused. He has been used pretty much by Madara. Madara knew that he wanted peace so he manipulated him to the point that he would think that he is a god to his people. The way he is going about things now is on the edge of madness. He has been so twisted that he can no longer judge what is right and wrong in the reality that he is actually in. He thinks what he is doing is right cause someone placed that in his thoughts, he no longers is thinking of his own will this was pretty much placed in him and now he goes with it cause he knows no better. He is a child that is listening to his fater in way.
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He doesn't want to end pain, he wants to show them peace THROUGH pain. (Fear)And comparing them isn't completely inaccurate in the following manners; They all believed to be doing the right thing from their perspective while crushing all and anything who got in the way.
Mystik, you completely evaded the points and went off ranting about how he can't be compared. Again, I never said they are one and the same. Reread it and maybe this time you won't miss what I said.
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