Kagara

I hope he tells tsundae and teh rest especially the elders i wantto see how they would react to see that teh most powerful Uchia still lives.

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Duncan33

Lol, I don't think those comparisons to Hitler and Stalin are accurate as there is no kind of discrimination (in the sense of race or color) in Naruto. Off topic aside, I think Hitler and maybe Stalin can be compared with Voldemort as he is against muggles, muggle-borns and muggle-lovers and desires only pure bloods to rule over the wizarding world and the muggles.

Nakaichiro

I think he will tell, but not just anyone. I think its going to be a conversation with a few people in the room, Kakashi(if alive), Tsunade(If alive), Maybe Shika, Sakura, Maybe Hinata.

Naruto would have bragged in the first season, but not in Shipuuden, his character no longer needs the recognition of the village and those around him. He will try to find out more info from the older people that might know, like Tsunade and Kakashi.

That's my theory anyway.

Mystik

Im going to kick your ass lmao....

>.<

I prefer we move onto something Naruto related. Its hard to bring up subjects since not much was really done this chapter besides Naruto's epic punch to Minato's gut and him going back into sage mode and the fact i actually like naruto and minato now lol.

TheSixthHokage

Sorry everybody for again responding to this but what I wanted to show was not racial discrimination but rather that these two monsters had difficult childhoods and even worse young adulthoods and possessed, most importantly, their own warped idealism, which they felt was the right way of doing something, not so unlike Pain. My main point simply being: No one who's crazy, thinks they're crazy; no one who's evil, thinks they are. (So Pain doing this for the "Greater Good" of the world is not justifiable because most maniacs have done it in the same way and are just as willing to do away with millions of lives to achieve this "Greater Good").

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Nakaichiro

*sigh*^^
Please Drop it you do not have to have the last word on this topic, just swallow hard and move on.

Kagara

I thought the way the conversation between them went was kinda of weak. I thought he would say more to his kid that he has not seen in 16 years and that he imprisoned a powerful creature that had everyone in the village hate him....just thought he would show him some type of love.

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TheSixthHokage

We know Tsunade's alive though! Yeah that's kind of true because before he arrived even the villagers were not willing to give him up to Pain and when he did arrive they all thought he was amazing, good point. The only thing that's so painful is that Jiraiya knew him the best and is gone, Tsunade only knew him in an observer sort of way, but assuming Kakashi's alive, that could be the information mega-load being his only surviving student.

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ShiverX

Well, putting the pain of loss aside, the right choice is to forgive Nagato.
I know it's probably the hardest thing to do but that's exactly why it is the right thing to do. Naruto don't have to become friends with Nagato, or even like him, but breaking the cycle of hate is the right way to go. He will defeat Nagato's motivation, his ideals, him as a person, just like he did Naruto some chapters ago, which lead to Narutos transformation and fall.

When Nagato is defeated, Naruto should just say...leave and never let me see you again for what you have done...

This is the path of piece, the path of non-violence. It's the higher road.
Just because you can beat someone up or even kill them, does that give you the right to? If someone hurts you is it the right choice to hurt them back?
That is a warped and immature (although somewhat Natural and self-defensive) perspective.

Think of it like this. Someone does something wrong against you. It hurts. You get angry. You want to hurt them back. (STOP!) This is were you went wrong!
This is actually a defense mechanism humans have to make the mind understand circumstances. If someone hurts you, your mind finds rationality in that action, because it needs to understand why this happened.
In that rationality an action is born. To do the same, this is a way to release pain by giving a channel for the hurtful emotions to outburst. It's the same as crying, after crying you often feel better even if the 'problem' is still present. The only different is that it is another feeling that needs to be released. But at the same time as this release is made in such a way something happens. The very same thing that is hurting you is being(as I sayd before) rationalized. Philosophically and ideologically this is like going against what made you angry in the first place. Like saying "your stupid and wrong for punching someone" and then turn around and do just that yourself, calling yourself stupid much?
This solution is a revolutionary diversity that doesn't work for the 'modern' human anymore(the philosophically enlighten anyway). In releasing the hurtful feelings you also defend yourself from physical harm by getting hate to fuel aggressive behavior(defensive). This was a defense mechanism when the only drive was survival. Eat or get eaten. The body must react to it's emotions to survive.

To truly break the Ninja system that is fueled by hate you need extraordinary people to break the natural impulses of defense(revenge) and break the circle of hate. Someone have to take the difficult and hurtful road of forgiveness and love. You may kill all I hold dear, you may kill me physically but you can never kill my will or my soul. My will and my ideal is what lives on and as long as there is people that believe in them I will never die no matter how much brutal force is used against us.

Se the Dhali lama or others like him. They would not hate you for doing evil things towards them. They are above those things, the earthly things. Thats why it's annoying to have such an opponent, you can't win by force. You have to be right.

Now, all that said Naruto is in a special position. He is not only Human. He has the power to defend his loved ones and the ideals.
Does that mean he kills his opponents or those who threaten him? No, in his power he has the ways to stop them but not kill them. They may come again, but he will always be there type of reasoning.

I hope that ramble made any sense to any of you hehe.

On the Madara vs 4th discussion:

Think of the fight as Jirayaa vs Naruto(before sage mode) or something similar. Madara was anchient in comperison to Minato. Minato was a genius yes but it's not like Madara was defenseless. He was one of the strongest ninja of his prime, fighting the first for dominion.
Take that and plus it with his experience and knowledge he could defeat Minato.
Now, Madara is, as I have stated before a real Ninja. This means he does things from the dark, concealed and masterful. So not facing Minato head on is just the way a ninja does things, a real ninja and not a warrior. He is cunning not overconfident even if he is mighty. This doesn't mean he couldn't take Minato. The fight would probably be epic and hard on both.

/Shiver Out!

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Game over naruto!
- Hell no! I still have lives left!
Like a shadow, like a wind..

See my latest 509-510 prediction:

Or

Fan-fictional ending: - Reminiscing in the rain -

Also see my: Uzumaki Hatake Nila Saga, a Naruto Epilogue.

Or why not take a look at my
Naruto fanfictional ending, peace at the end of a road.

Duncan33

Thats true. I guess the reason some people flew off the handle over this is because of the comparisons. But lets drop it for now as I don't want to be on the receiving end of Mystik's fury.

*Cowers in fear* Don't hurt me... T.T

Nakaichiro

I agree with this, it seemed kinda weak and forced. Naruto asks his dad why he made his life a living hell by sealing the most powerful demon inside him.
Minato says, "Coz you will figure out what to do with it my boy, I love you and i must go now. Cya"

Makes me think that Kishi should have maybe added another 10 pages to this or brought out a double chapter, so that the conversation did not actually look like it was diluted to fit into the 17 page chapter. Most of his chapters seem to flow nicely but this one seemed forced, i would have even preferred the conversation to take 2 weeks instead of the one. Just for the sake of flow, Minato is a big thing and he just faded in one chapter. oh well

TheSixthHokage

Probably because I am the most hated person this forum, far more so than KYF and it seems like him and Myth will never stop quarrelling.

"Makes me think that Kishi should have maybe added another 10 pages to this or brought out a double chapter, so that the conversation did not actually look like it was diluted to fit into the 17 page chapter. Most of his chapters seem to flow nicely but this one seemed forced, i would have even preferred the conversation to take 2 weeks instead of the one. Just for the sake of flow, Minato is a big thing and he just faded in one chapter. oh well"

For sure, but he unfortunately didn't. It was a cliffhanger, that ended in a cliffhanger... it sort of tests one's patience when one waits almost an entire week and we haven't been told anything new really, kakashi and hinata's fate is still questionable and it's still unsure how Naruto'll battle Pain.

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Mystik

Are you kidding they are guys they cant show love lol... My dad and brother have never been emotional with each other cause to them its not manly.. im just kidding though it is manly. Nothing better then seeing a guy express his feelings. However you could see the love he had for naruto in his face and smile. Also i dont think they had time for a long dragged out talk since minato's man purpose was to seal the kyuubi back up and his reason for him appearing.

lol i wouldnt hurt you... im to sweet to hurt anyone. Not saying i cant be a bitch cause well obviously i can be lol... but 99.9% of the time i am sweet. >.<

Kagara

I understand that he may have only been their for the seal.but damn they made it seem like he was going to have a in depth talk with hi son... then again I should not be surprised still waiting to see how the conversation ended with kakshi and his dad..

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Clixx

So I assume in the next chapter it will have nothing to do with HITLER!!!

So lets move on from this nonsence, i'm sick of it...

I came to this site to discuss Naruto with smart yet whitty comments, not stupid ones with people bantering back and forth...

Moving on now, With nagato in his current condition and Naruto coming from the abyss it's easy to tell that Naruto can win this, however I am eager to see what is to come of Pein's defeat. Will he be defeated by force or by will?

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