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Old 03-20-2009, 09:10 PM   #46
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Re: The ninja system - "there can be no peace or order"

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did naruto kill any of his oponents?
He was going to kill Haku.
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Old 03-21-2009, 02:28 AM   #47
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He was going to kill Haku.
but he esitated and he didnt do it. haku died by kakashi's hand
pff this makes me belive that pain isn't gonna die by naruto's hand
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Old 03-21-2009, 07:29 AM   #48
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but he esitated and he didnt do it. haku died by kakashi's hand
pff this makes me belive that pain isn't gonna die by naruto's hand
Naruto will beat him, and then Naruto will say: "I have proven that I'm stronger, but I will spare your life. Live knowing that you were wrong, that people can end the cycle of pain." Naruto turns his back. Nagato uses his last chakra to try to blast Naruto, Naruto turns around and says : "You fool!"
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Also Kin and Gin as substitute for kyuubi chakra (the greatest amount of chakra in Naruto world) is something Kishi pulled out of his ass. I lost major respect. It would be like near the end of LOTR there happens to be another slightly weaker ring and Sauron is like "that will do". It kind of shits on everything established up to that point. It kind of insults my intelligence.
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Old 03-21-2009, 07:31 AM   #49
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Seen DBZ much?
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Old 03-22-2009, 06:58 AM   #50
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Naruto already knows the solution, he just doesnt know he knows it. Temari told him the solution. Naruto has the power to change people. They learn to respect him and adopt his noble beliefs in their fellow shinobi.
Yes, I am with you on this one Having thought through various scenarios, I just can't imagine demiliterisation bu in order to keep the status quo a lot of work will be needed to bring the villages closer together and Naruto is the one to do it. As you say, that is his skill.

Sarutobi used the chunin exams as a way of promoting peace and relieving tensions between the nations. This was not dealing with then underlying dissent and now Naruto will need to get to the core of the problem. He has the perfect start since Konoha is destroyed and now the other villages won't be so jealous. It can either be rebuilt in its old image or Konohas people can work on a new model. Perhaps ninja's might go join other villages and spread the idea of unity. Or maybe other villages may be invited to help rebuild Konoha.
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Seen DBZ much?
I fail to see the relevance....Pain`s powerlevel is over 10,000! "Throw the Sprit Rasengan Bomb Son Naruto!" yelled the ghost of the pervert, Jirairoshi.
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Old 03-23-2009, 02:09 PM   #52
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Re: The ninja system - "there can be no peace or order"

naruto will find the answer to this dilemma about having peace in a world full of ninja's.. he will apply simply the "looking left and right at the same time". but painfully,i have no idea how.
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If he forgive Pain, what will Danzo reaction? Will it ignite war or not?
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Re: The ninja system - "there can be no peace or order"

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If he forgive Pain, what will Danzo reaction? Will it ignite war or not?
Danzo will make his move after the fight but I think he will rejected and encountered by Konaha's Ninja (most likely team Gai will stand against him)
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Sorry if this has already been discussed - couldn't see it immediately.

We've heard Pain's view of the ninja system which is quite a negative vew - he is embittered by the pain it causes but seems to believe that a large dose of pain will allow small pockets of peace to exist for limited periods of time. He also represented the small country against a much stronger force in Konoha which caused pain even through its desire to do good.

Naruto, even in his inexperience of war, acknowledges that peace is not an easy goal to obtain and recognises Pain's argument about a cycle of hatred and revenge caused through the name of justice.

Minato now appears and says that "maybe" as long as the ninja system exists there can be no peace or order.

So what now for the ultimate end of the manga? Does Naruto have to prove that he is greater tha his father and prove that the ninja system can exist with peace and order or will it all come to and end?

One thing is clear - Naruto will have the answer but there will surely have to be some sort of equality between the villages - (not hard now that Konha has been blown off the face of the Earth).

So what do you guys think is the moral/solution of the story?

EDIT: One other thing that occurs to me. Naruto has always been depicted as childlike in his approach to issues. Minato and Sarutobi couldn't solve these issues in all their wisdom. WIll Naruto find the solution with a childlike logic - the simplest of solutions which adults are blind to?
that is the mian reason is for respect and order,not violence
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