Naruto vs Pain aftermatch predictions and Ideas - Page 14

Dagoro · 05-10-2009, 11:47 PM

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It flows with what Itachi said though. Sasuke becoming a threat to Konoha and if Naruto would be willingly to weigh Sasuke's life over the village or vice versa

This could be accomplished without an immediate attack on Konoha by Sasuke. There is a good chance that the ninja world will decend into war again, Madara clearly has access to large military might, and he did say he accomplished his goal " to make Sasuke his ". Sasuke standing with Madara against the leaf and her allies would eventually force Naruto to face Sasuke and the dilemma you mentioned above.

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I believe Naruto will be facing Sasuke before any other major opponent.

A few battles in between would not take away from their inevitable fight. Naruto needs it and we deserve it after Kishi decided to give Sasuke nearly every fight in p2 so far.

The Special One · 05-11-2009, 12:05 AM

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This could be accomplished without an immediate attack on Konoha by Sasuke. There is a good chance that the ninja world will decend into war again, Madara clearly has access to large military might, and he did say he accomplished his goal " to make Sasuke his ". Sasuke standing with Madara against the leaf and her allies would eventually force Naruto to face Sasuke and the dilemma you mentioned above.

The only way I see this happening, is if Konoha is given time to restructure. Even under Danzou, there is not much that Konoha can do to defend itself. And if I know Madara he probably already knows Konoha's condition. Why would he wait to launch his Mizuguakure troops? If anything he'd be readying the attack.

I believe the Rock Village is in cahoots with the hidden Mist. But that's my opinion so I won't get too far into that. This would all have to be soon if Madara is a military strategist. This means Konoha needs aid from the Sand and Cloud villages.

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A few battles in between would not take away from their inevitable fight. Naruto needs it and we deserve it after Kishi decided to give Sasuke nearly every fight in p2 so far.

Sure, but it would be so closely tied in with the struggles that Naruto will not have as much time to roam. Going by your interpretation, Naruto is going to be traveling for a long time. Akatuski is not going to wait a long time, and Sasuke is not either. And whatever Madara has planned for Konoha is not going to take years to start. Naruto won't have much time to travel. Things are getting too hairy and too cluttered.

Although I liked all the action going down with Raikage and the Kage Summit, that kind of made things a little tight, that's why I thought it would be difficult for Pain and Naruto's battle to take place sooner than it did. But its Kishi, and he wanted to do things on a faster pace.

I thought Pain would leave Konoha alone, but blowing it up only made things more confusing. Now Konoha has to worry about any kind of threat, and there are too many things going down at once. Konoha being blown to hell was just completely random and uncalled for. That's why I kind of see things speeding up a bit.

Dagoro · 05-11-2009, 12:19 AM

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The only way I see this happening, is if Konoha is given time to restructure. Even under Danzou, there is not much that Konoha can do to defend itself. And if I know Madara he probably already knows Konoha's condition. Why would he wait to launch his Mizuguakure troops? If anything he'd be readying the attack

We don't know what Marada's agenda is at this point. The way i see it, Nagato's vision was entirely his own. Though Madara appeared to be calling the shots, the passion Nagato demonstrated in regards to his dream and the way he planned to accomplish it indicates that this was not started by Madara. Madara was blackmailed by Itachi, keeping him from doing anything to the leaf, now that Itachi is dead we have yet to see what Madara is trully scheming.

Look at how kishi handled these kinds of situations: He had Oro plan an attack on Konoha for a long time before he actually carried it out, Aka didn't attack the jinchuriki till after time skip when some of them ( Gaara and Naruto in particular ) were still kids and inexperienced ( yes, Gaara had his village and Naruto had Jiraya, but going by what we know now they had the necessary capabilities to carry it out then ). That is how Kishi usually sets up these moments.

Why have Sasuke/Madara attack the leaf in the wake of such a event, cramming it down our throats with no adequate set up ??

Naruto just received the powers he should have had since the begining of p2, parcelled out not all at once, to elevate him up there with the big boys. If he starts beating them left and right so soon, it would down right suck.

The Special One · 05-11-2009, 12:30 AM

Well based on what Minato stated, Madara already knew Pain's story and that was why he was sent to Konoha. Madara knew full well what Pain would do to Konoha if he had the chance, that's why Madara had him go. Sasuke is more or less a backup for Pain if he failed to destroy Konoha. But at the same time Sasuke has his own agendas. Pain did destroy Konoha, but Sasuke's goal has much more to it. Elders' lives and the villagers. Pain's attack was more general Sasuke's is more precise.

Konoha can't defend itself (Madara probably thinks) why should he have any problems sending Sasuke in to clean up the debris? That's what Madara wants and that's what Sasuke thinks he, himself wants.

I'm not saying Mizugakure is planning something, but if Madara were to launch a full scale assult, he'd do it now when Konoha is at its weakest.

I agree, Naruto winning his battles against all the baddies this soon would be depreciating, but he also has not used "That Jutsu" (Via "Key" to unleash all of the Kyuubi's chakra, hinting he'll probably need to train himself), and he has the power given to him by Itachi to prepare himself for the battles ahead. It seems Kishi is planning to have Naruto be prepared, and Sage Mode was just icing on the cake.

Silverblade · 05-11-2009, 12:37 AM

Naruto is soon going to stomp everyone. Dagoro is right. He needs to leave the village, but what will happen to everyone else? Kakashi is knocked out. Tsuande lost her "extra chakra" and Konohamaru made rest of the jounin look like shit so yeah. Sakura is going to have to protect the people.

@TSO - Sage mode is the icing on the cake. Kishi will later on reveal secret aspects of jutsus these character possess. Like Kage bunshin collecting knowledge and the Sharingan has the ability to detect the color of chakra. Things we didn't know.

Danzo and the elders will steamroll Sasuke with their canes and their false teeth.

Dagoro · 05-11-2009, 01:04 AM

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Well based on what Minato stated, Madara already knew Pain's story and that was why he was sent to Konoha. Madara knew full well what Pain would do to Konoha if he had the chance, that's why Madara had him go. Sasuke is more or less a backup for Pain if he failed to destroy Konoha. But at the same time Sasuke has his own agendas. Pain did destroy Konoha, but Sasuke's goal has much more to it. Elders' lives and the villagers. Pain's attack was more general Sasuke's is more precise.

Konoha can't defend itself (Madara probably thinks) why should he have any problems sending Sasuke in to clean up the debris? That's what Madara wants and that's what Sasuke thinks he, himself wants.

My biggest problem with this is that Madara had/has his own needs for revenge. He wanted to destroy the leaf in the past and a few years before TS, until Itachi stopped him in exchange for granting him the chance to get revenge on the Uchiha clan.

Sending others to do his dirty work cheapens his character as a power house villain in the series. Also, a large scale attack on the leaf, led by Madara no less would mean that Naruto will magically learn whatever Geratora has to offer in no time, and that would be ridiculous on the heels of SM and KSM.

Besides, there are so many things that need to be addressed still. Kb, possibly the remaining mist swordsman and the remaining aka members. I really hope they don't all show up all at once at the Konoha crater.

This fight renewed my hopes that Kishi will give Naruto the dev he needs, to become a hardened and polished shinobi before he faces Sasuke/Madara. Otherwise we're in for a cheesy, emotional " Believe it " BS fest.

liondemon · 05-11-2009, 01:28 AM

Naruto leaves and Neji follows. Neji can help him in everyday, better than your average taijutu, and maybe can hit some pressure points real quick to decrease the overwhelming amount of Kyuubi chakra that may rush in as Naruto trains to control him. I just got this crazy theory. Sharingan came from Byakugan. MS seems to even be able to summon Kyuubi from wherever he is when he has not been summoned by a "natural disaster" of chaos and malice. There seems to be some connection there. My crazy theory is that A Byakugan somehow was given some of Kyuubi's chakra during the Natural "Disaster" of the distant past. I think he tried to use it to make his Byakugan stronger but instead it created a whole new dojutsu. Distgusted in his lack of pride for his own Byakugan talents as they were, the Hyuuga's denounced him as one of them. He decided to call himself Uchiha. And so Uchiha were born from the Byaakugan with a high dosage of Kyuubi chakra.

Wolverine · 05-11-2009, 02:21 AM

Dagoro's idea is good and logical but I for one would not want that to happen. Firstly, I want him to stay in the village so that everyone can envy him and acknowledge his strength since this is something which I have been wanting for a long time. Secondly, as Minato said, "the village can be rebuilt, I am counting on you", this means that Naruto wont leave the village until it is rebuilt to a certain extent if not completely. He's gonna stay there atleast till Konoha recovers a bit from its weak condition otherwise with him gone, Konoha is a sitting duck to attacks and could be wiped out pretty easily since its lost most of its firepower.

Naruto has slowly discovered Danzo's tricks which inadvertently played a part in the destruction of Konoha. Also, Im sure sooner or later, it will be found out that he killed the messenger frog, thereby delaying Naruto's arrival at Konoha and thereby causing its destruction. Even if Naruto tells everyone about Danzo's hand in Nagato's current condition, that alone would be enough to shift everyones hate on Danzo himself or atleast cause doubt in their minds. Danzo may try to defend himself saying that he did it for Konoha's safety, but people can easily get the impression that Nagato attacked Konoha because of what Danzo and Hanzo did, even if that was not the case. Finally, I don't think each and everyone in Konoha will agree with Danzo that Naruto is a threat and very conveniently forget how Naruto singlehandedly saved the village. Especially this after the fact that everyone willingly put their lives in danger and nobody was forced to do so, knowing full well that it could mean the total destruction of the village. Yet, everyone chose to keep their mouths shut. So they cannot blame Naruto for what happened, coz if they loved their lives and the safety of the village so much, they are to blame themselves for everything that has happened.

As for the "facing hardships for a proper character development", I don't think leaving the village is necessary. In real life, this would definitely be the best possible and most logical way to do it. But not in Narutoverse. You're talking about Naruto being the harbinger of peace here and you want him to have some serious battles where he grows mature from killing people and facing life and death situations along with various other hardships ? If the guy doesn't even feel the need to kill the destroyer of the village rightaway, and wants to talk to him instead, you really think he will resort to violent means to achieve growth in maturity ? How would he be any different from any of the other people then ? What would be the difference between him, Nagato, Sasuke and so many others who chose that path to grow ? If he really is to bring peace to the world by breaking the chain of hatred, how can you suggest he take the path of all the others who are bound by that chain of hatred ? Doing otherwise may seem highly irrational and childish to some of you, but there has to be some difference between Naruto - the Destined Child - and all the others. Only by adopting a different means and a different approach to life can Naruto possibly hope to change it for himself and for the others...

Naruto will now want to learn about the hidden secrets in his past which were suddenly unveiled to him, and no one outside Konoha can give him the best possible answers regarding Minato and Madara. As for developing his techniques, the only thing that really matters now is not a second element or a new technique, but the Kyubi's power...which he needs to learn to control. That is the only thing which I think might require him to leave the village...

idisoneboyi · 05-11-2009, 03:17 AM

Although i really like/want the idea that naruto learns on his own and develop more character by leaving his village and traveling around, that would mean very limited roles for the other characters in the story, which in turn could drive the fans a little bit crazy. Unless, kishi decides to introduce a bunch of different characters along his adventure/journey that are cooler (i hope) and more developed for naruto to mature even more so. I just dont see naruto hogging all the airtime by himself, that might be too much naruto for some of us. But if naruto doesn't bring some people from konoha along, i just don't see him wandering out on his own at least anytime soon. Either way, Im sure kishi will pull something out of his arse like how he usually does to make naruto more developed and more "bad ass"..

Wolverine · 05-11-2009, 03:35 AM

You see, leaving the village for the sake of character development is still debatable, but it would put the village at an even greater risk considering the village would be attacked again and completely destroyed this time IF Naruto were to possibly get captured. He may be strong enough to defend himself, but should he get beaten and captured, the village would be done for. He would be better off in the village, who should take some pride in the fact that with him in the village, they'd have been much better off compared to when Pain blew up the village, only because Naruto wasn't around to defend them...

P.S. - What happened to the THANKS option ??

The Special One · 05-11-2009, 06:11 AM

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Otherwise we're in for a cheesy, emotional " Believe it " BS fest.

And I would love for it to happen, but I think your ideas take place on another timeframe removed from the current one. I just don't know how it will fit in wiht the time restraint placed onto the series at the moment. I see your ideas coming true if the manga goes on maybe at least 50 more chapters after this Akatuski things is finally addressed.

Dagoro · 05-11-2009, 11:22 AM

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but I think your ideas take place on another timeframe removed from the current one. I just don't know how it will fit in wiht the time restraint placed onto the series at the moment.

I don't believe that to be the case.

First let me clarify a few things. My predictions happen in a span of days/weeks not years, im totally not expectiing a 3rd time skip.

Second, kishi can have different things happening simultaneously over several chapters since manga time is not at all consistent. Take the Sasuke vs Itachi/leaf vs Tobi fight as an example, Sasuke vs Itachi went on for several chapters while Leaf vs Tobi was parcelled out in between.

Imo Kishi can definetely cover some plot holes and give character dev at the same time, as long as he is detailled and imaginative. I want to know what Madara's true plans are before commiting to the " kick them while they're down " idea, and i still think Sasuke not reaching the leaf for the resons we talked about before could happen, because an attack on the leaf right now would be like a car crash on top of another car crash.

If Kishi brings it all at once like he did with Naruto and SM, the story will be seriously weak in it's final delivery.

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Although i really like/want the idea that naruto learns on his own and develop more character by leaving his village and traveling around, that would mean very limited roles for the other characters in the story, which in turn could drive the fans a little bit crazy. Unless, kishi decides to introduce a bunch of different characters along his adventure/journey that are cooler (i hope) and more developed for naruto to mature even more so. I just dont see naruto hogging all the airtime by himself, that might be too much naruto for some of us. But if naruto doesn't bring some people from konoha along, i just don't see him wandering out on his own at least anytime soon. Either way, Im sure kishi will pull something out of his arse like how he usually does to make naruto more developed and more "bad ass"..

I also disagree with this. Naruto leaving does not spellout the end for all other character dev. Thats is why Danzou's plot is such a great opportunity to deliver some much needed dev in all areas.

Imagine if Danzou's plans do succeed. The reg shinobi will stand with Tsunade ( provided she doesn't die which i don't think she will ), root will obviously serve Danzou. Imagine the chaos his take over would cause, Tsunade would need all the support she could get, and with Naruto gone the other ninja form the original 12 ( excluding Sasuke and Naruto ) and a few of our favorite jounin/chunin will be all she has ( i don't care about the fodder ). Division among the leaf to the point of social upheaval would give the other character ( specially Sakura ) chances for dev. Naruto would gone during of course. It all fits.

Im not at all saying my ideas are dead on, in fact i know Kishi probably will take the easy/cheesy road with the manga.

ShiverX · 05-13-2009, 06:08 AM

Naruto vs Pain Aftermatch: - The broken path of Konoha -
A Fan-fictional prediction by ShiverX
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"The sun was rising and the light from the new morning poked Hinata in the face as the flap to the smaller medical tent she was residing in opened and closed."

Hinata: - Naruto Kun!

"Hinata smiled at Naruto as he approached the light that was hanging over her bed. As she saw his face he smiled back. There was something in his eyes though, something wild and concerned. Hinata gave Naruto her hand and he began to sit down in the chair beside her bed. Hinata stopped him, scooping over and making room for him in the bed and signaling for him to sit by her side"

Hinata: - Naruto, you can sit here...if you want.

"Hinata blushed"
"Naruto looks up, suddenly more present in thought and focused. "

Naruto: - Hinata.... Are you sure? This is all happening so fast. I'm fine with sitting by your side you know.

"Hinata looks Naruto straight into the eyes"

Hinata: - No Naruto.... I want you to sit with me. It's ok...

"Hinata hesitates and a Hinata panic is obviously on the way, Hinatas fingers touch point to point. She blushes and her eyes go down."

Hinata: - Of course...eh...that is ..if you want to....I understand if it is weird or..

"Naruto smiles at Hinata and kneels down besides her to look her in the eyes. She meets his eyes and smile back calming down. Naruto leans in and Kisses Hinata stroking the side of her face and crawling into bed with her sitting by her side."

Naruto: - I'm sorry Hinata, I don't know how to feel about all this.

"Naruto does a gesture around the room, symbolizing Konoha, "

Naruto: - My thoughts and feelings are all over the place. I know I'm happy you told me about your feelings, even though it was a little dramatic.

"Naruto smiles and they both laugh about the image of the event"

Naruto: - I like you Hinata....I ....
Hinata: - I know Naruto....let's take it slow, a lot have happened.
Naruto: - Exactly...I mean...you know I have the Kyuubi inside me....
Hinata: - I don't care Naruto. I like you just the way you are.

"Naruto Kiss Hinata again"
"Naruto leans forward being more serious"

Hinata: - What is it Naruto Kun?
Naruto: - Hinata.. I have to tell you something.
Hinata: - Yes?

"Naruto looks up and meets Hinata's eyes"

Naruto: - Sakura told me about Tsunade passing away...

"Hinata is chocked by this message"

Hinata: - Tsunade...is....dead?
Naruto: - Yes.....

"Hinata looks sad"

Naruto: - And that is not all.

"Hinata looks up again, her eyes clearly tearful"

Hinata:- What?
Naruto: The elders..they..they want a new Hokage to be appointed soon.

"Hinata sits in disbelief and silence"

Naruto: - Yes....It is apparently because we need the village to look strong and be protected in this crisis...
Anyway. They have appointed three candidates. Me, Sakura and Kakashi.
Hinata: - You..?

"Hinata wipes a tear from her eye"

Hinata: - Hokage. That is your dream Naruto!
Naruto: - Yes....that was what me and Sakura had to talk about...
Hinata: - Oh..yes..Sakura..
Naruto : - The thing is, none of us are ready to be hokage yet.....
Hinata: - But surely Kakashi can take the seat?
Naruto: - We don't know about Kakashi yet. He still haven't awaken from his battle...

"Hinata thinks for a moment"

Hinata: - But...what did Sakura have to say then?

"Naruto thinks back"

Naruto: - It's not as much what she told me as what I told her. She holds the will of Tsunade and I hold the legacy of Jirayaa.
Hinata: -And?
Naruto: - I think she wanted me to approve of her as Hokage, she was struggling with the death of Tsunade. Apparently Tsunade's will was that she'd become the Hokage.
Hinata: - But you want to be hokage right?
Naruto: - Well, that is what she thought, and me to. But so much have happened and I have learned so much. I may not be able to take the Hokage seat yet.

Hinata looks a little bewildered"

Hinata: - What do you mean Naruto?

"An image of Nagato and then Minato and masked Madara flashes in Narutos mind. Then a strong image of the Kyuubi. Naruto snaps out of it."

Naruto: - I...am not ready to protect Konoha from the inside yet. I must fulfill Jirayaa's dream...and my fathers...

"Naruto looks as in pain, Hinata takes his hand in hers"

Hinata: - What Naruto? Your father? You can tell me.

"Naruto meets her eyes again"

Naruto: - My father Minato.
Hinata wispers in suprise: - The fourth?
Naruto: - Yes....and Jirayaa. They both wanted me to bring peace to the Shinobi world.

"Hinata looks at Naruto in suprise."

Hinata: - Save the shinobi world? The fourth you father? but?

"Naruto laughs a little hearing how it all sounds"

Naruto: - Yes I know it sounds crazy Hinata, but it's true. Jirayaa was told a prophesy by the head of the toads in myouboku mountain.
In this prophesy there was to be a child. Someone Jirayaa would guide. This person was going to bring great revolution in the Shinobi world that would lead either to destruction or peace. Pa and Ma frog told me about this when I trained with them. They believed this child to be me.
I don't know about that and I didn't believe it.....but during my fight with pain I met my father.
Hinata: - You met the fourth?...but he is dead?!

"Naruto smiles to himself"

Naruto: - Yes...I don't understand it all myself but he apeared before me, in my mind as I was going to unseal the Kyuubi completely.
Hinata: - Unseal it?
Naruto: - I was lost Hinata.... seeing you die before me.....I wasn't strong enough. The Kyuubi got control over me, was steering me to break the seal, and at that point I could not resist....
Hinata: - Naruto....
Naruto: - As all hope was gone, he appeared in my mind. He stopped me from releasing the Kyuubi. Minato, my father, told me he set this up the day he sealed the fox inside of me. That would I ever be close to release the Kyuubi that he would appear and stop me. He told me about the inherited hate in the shinobi world that he could not fight. It is the same hate that Jirayaa told me about....
They both wished for me to find an answer. And I did, kind of.

"Hinata meets Naruto's eyes. And smiles Gently"

Hinata: - And what is your answer Naruto?

"Naruto smiles at Hinata"

"Naruto Kisses Hinata again"

Naruto: - I used to dream of becoming Hokage, to protect all of you. That was my only wish....I was naive.
Now I must take on the responsibility of more than Konoha. I must fulfill my new goals, and in that Jirayaa's and my fathers dreams.
The answer is that there is no easy answer. There is no one "way" of bringing an end to the pain. I haven't got it all figured out yet but our best bet is to never loose hope, to never give up....to never go back on our determinations. It's like Jirayaa's stories about the gutsy ninja. I want to change the notion of the ninja as a tool or a weapon. We must go back to how it used to be when ninja was persons who helped people instead of a military force. Jirayaa told me about how it used to be like that. Ninjutsu must be a tool to create, not destroy. In the end I will achieve these goals, that is my determination, my new dream. I know it won't be easy and that it will take a long time. But I will never give up!

ShiverX · 05-13-2009, 06:08 AM

"Hinata looks at Naruto with admiration"

Hinata: - I'm sure you can do it Naruto. I have never seen anything you didn't do full out once you wanted to do it. But what about the seat of Hokage then?

"Naruto thinks awhile before answering"

Naruto: - I still want to be the Hokage of Konoha, but....
Hinata: - But?
Naruto: - That path is broken.....
Hinata: - What do you mean by broken?
Naruto: - I am not ready to take the seat yet...... I need to be able to control the Kyuubi first. If I don't I will only hurt those I seek to protect.
And I need to see what my determination can do in the world. I need to be free to travel....

"Hinata looks away, Naruto puts his hand on her cheek and gently turns her head towards him again"

Naruto: - That doesn't mean that I wont be around Hinata. And it doesn't mean we can't be together.

"Naruto smiles gently. Hinata responds"

Naruto: - I will still be Hokage one day. But for now I can't take the full responsibility and foremost the fame. I need to be able to move
Hinata: - I understand...but then, who will? Sakura? Is she willing to take that responsibility.
Naruto: - Yes. We talked about it and she feels she wants to honor Tsunades wishes. But she can't do it alone. She don't have the strength to keep outside powers away or even internal problems. This is why we are hoping for Kakashi and Shikamaru as tactical advisers and I will be a protector of Konoha of sorts.
Officially Sakura will take the seat and unofficially I will share that seat with her. Once I'm ready I will take the seat, this is a promise I made to her.
But she will not be alone, she will form a council of people to help her protect and run Konoha. Instead of a military leader she will be the leader of this group that will make all decisions concerning Konoha together or appointed into areas.

"Hinata is a little taken by this"

Hinata: - Sharing the seat of Hokage? That has never been done before.

"Naruto smiles"

Naruto: - That is why it is perfect. Sakura has already send note for a meeting with the people involved before the meeting with the elders.
You are a part of that group Hinata. I am to tell you about that to. There is much to do...But before that we should get some rest..

"Hinata smiles"

Hinata: - Yes, soon.

"Hinata kisses Naruto again"

"Switch scene to outside Konoha"
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Danzo to Root members: - Once we have gathered enough survivors from the roots and ANBU we will move on Konoha and take leadership. It's about time Konoha had competent leadership again that can protect the people! Move into position!

"Root members disperse. Danzo walks over to his vantage point over Konoha. He sweats a little at the sight of the village."

Danzo thinks to himself: - Just as I thought stopping Naruto from returning would make the Akatsuki member try to kill the Hokage. Nagato is ruthless just like in the fight that long ago. But to think Yahiko is actually still alive. I thought he only moved by pure will back then, a kind of death twitch.

"Danzo feels his face at the bandages"

Danzo thinks: - And some death twitch it was......To think I was actually lucky that Naruto came back.... I never thought Yahiko and Nagato would cause this much destruction. And to think Naruto actually defeated them...We must take control now, this is our only chance to stop Konoha from going under. To secure the Nine-tails and avoid making any more mistakes.

"Close up on Danzo's face with a maniac stare down upon Konoha."

Danzo: I will be Hokage.

The will of different generations clash!

Next Chapter: - In the wake of the battle, clash generations -

naruto_nutty · 05-13-2009, 06:23 AM

Fucking brillant, 4.5/5 keeping em coming shiver, wth great creative comes great responsiblity.

05-11-2009, 12:30 AM	#199
The Special One Kage Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Oakpark, Michigan Age: 22 Posts: 5,054 Thanks: 884 Thanked 4,449 Times in 1,550 Posts	Re: Naruto vs Pain aftermatch predictions and Ideas Well based on what Minato stated, Madara already knew Pain's story and that was why he was sent to Konoha. Madara knew full well what Pain would do to Konoha if he had the chance, that's why Madara had him go. Sasuke is more or less a backup for Pain if he failed to destroy Konoha. But at the same time Sasuke has his own agendas. Pain did destroy Konoha, but Sasuke's goal has much more to it. Elders' lives and the villagers. Pain's attack was more general Sasuke's is more precise. Konoha can't defend itself (Madara probably thinks) why should he have any problems sending Sasuke in to clean up the debris? That's what Madara wants and that's what Sasuke thinks he, himself wants. I'm not saying Mizugakure is planning something, but if Madara were to launch a full scale assult, he'd do it now when Konoha is at its weakest. I agree, Naruto winning his battles against all the baddies this soon would be depreciating, but he also has not used "That Jutsu" (Via "Key" to unleash all of the Kyuubi's chakra, hinting he'll probably need to train himself), and he has the power given to him by Itachi to prepare himself for the battles ahead. It seems Kishi is planning to have Naruto be prepared, and Sage Mode was just icing on the cake. __________________ The Specialist, forever http://forums.narutocentral.com/showthread.php?t=24201 ^My first thread.lol

05-11-2009, 12:37 AM	#200
Silverblade Missing-Nin Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Brooklyn Posts: 1,681 Thanks: 355 Thanked 590 Times in 275 Posts	Re: Naruto vs Pain aftermatch predictions and Ideas Naruto is soon going to stomp everyone. Dagoro is right. He needs to leave the village, but what will happen to everyone else? Kakashi is knocked out. Tsuande lost her "extra chakra" and Konohamaru made rest of the jounin look like shit so yeah. Sakura is going to have to protect the people. @TSO - Sage mode is the icing on the cake. Kishi will later on reveal secret aspects of jutsus these character possess. Like Kage bunshin collecting knowledge and the Sharingan has the ability to detect the color of chakra. Things we didn't know. Danzo and the elders will steamroll Sasuke with their canes and their false teeth.

05-11-2009, 02:21 AM	#203
Wolverine Special Jounin Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Guess.... Age: 24 Posts: 2,171 Thanks: 2,663 Thanked 1,125 Times in 671 Posts	Re: Naruto vs Pain aftermatch predictions and Ideas Dagoro's idea is good and logical but I for one would not want that to happen. Firstly, I want him to stay in the village so that everyone can envy him and acknowledge his strength since this is something which I have been wanting for a long time. Secondly, as Minato said, "the village can be rebuilt, I am counting on you", this means that Naruto wont leave the village until it is rebuilt to a certain extent if not completely. He's gonna stay there atleast till Konoha recovers a bit from its weak condition otherwise with him gone, Konoha is a sitting duck to attacks and could be wiped out pretty easily since its lost most of its firepower. Naruto has slowly discovered Danzo's tricks which inadvertently played a part in the destruction of Konoha. Also, Im sure sooner or later, it will be found out that he killed the messenger frog, thereby delaying Naruto's arrival at Konoha and thereby causing its destruction. Even if Naruto tells everyone about Danzo's hand in Nagato's current condition, that alone would be enough to shift everyones hate on Danzo himself or atleast cause doubt in their minds. Danzo may try to defend himself saying that he did it for Konoha's safety, but people can easily get the impression that Nagato attacked Konoha because of what Danzo and Hanzo did, even if that was not the case. Finally, I don't think each and everyone in Konoha will agree with Danzo that Naruto is a threat and very conveniently forget how Naruto singlehandedly saved the village. Especially this after the fact that everyone willingly put their lives in danger and nobody was forced to do so, knowing full well that it could mean the total destruction of the village. Yet, everyone chose to keep their mouths shut. So they cannot blame Naruto for what happened, coz if they loved their lives and the safety of the village so much, they are to blame themselves for everything that has happened. As for the "facing hardships for a proper character development", I don't think leaving the village is necessary. In real life, this would definitely be the best possible and most logical way to do it. But not in Narutoverse. You're talking about Naruto being the harbinger of peace here and you want him to have some serious battles where he grows mature from killing people and facing life and death situations along with various other hardships ? If the guy doesn't even feel the need to kill the destroyer of the village rightaway, and wants to talk to him instead, you really think he will resort to violent means to achieve growth in maturity ? How would he be any different from any of the other people then ? What would be the difference between him, Nagato, Sasuke and so many others who chose that path to grow ? If he really is to bring peace to the world by breaking the chain of hatred, how can you suggest he take the path of all the others who are bound by that chain of hatred ? Doing otherwise may seem highly irrational and childish to some of you, but there has to be some difference between Naruto - the Destined Child - and all the others. Only by adopting a different means and a different approach to life can Naruto possibly hope to change it for himself and for the others... Naruto will now want to learn about the hidden secrets in his past which were suddenly unveiled to him, and no one outside Konoha can give him the best possible answers regarding Minato and Madara. As for developing his techniques, the only thing that really matters now is not a second element or a new technique, but the Kyubi's power...which he needs to learn to control. That is the only thing which I think might require him to leave the village... __________________

05-11-2009, 03:17 AM	#204
idisoneboyi Anabolic Level Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Giggydi Age: 27 Posts: 291 Thanks: 16 Thanked 27 Times in 21 Posts	Re: Naruto vs Pain aftermatch predictions and Ideas Although i really like/want the idea that naruto learns on his own and develop more character by leaving his village and traveling around, that would mean very limited roles for the other characters in the story, which in turn could drive the fans a little bit crazy. Unless, kishi decides to introduce a bunch of different characters along his adventure/journey that are cooler (i hope) and more developed for naruto to mature even more so. I just dont see naruto hogging all the airtime by himself, that might be too much naruto for some of us. But if naruto doesn't bring some people from konoha along, i just don't see him wandering out on his own at least anytime soon. Either way, Im sure kishi will pull something out of his arse like how he usually does to make naruto more developed and more "bad ass".. __________________ Last edited by idisoneboyi; 05-11-2009 at 03:25 AM.

05-11-2009, 03:35 AM	#205
Wolverine Special Jounin Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Guess.... Age: 24 Posts: 2,171 Thanks: 2,663 Thanked 1,125 Times in 671 Posts	Re: Naruto vs Pain aftermatch predictions and Ideas You see, leaving the village for the sake of character development is still debatable, but it would put the village at an even greater risk considering the village would be attacked again and completely destroyed this time IF Naruto were to possibly get captured. He may be strong enough to defend himself, but should he get beaten and captured, the village would be done for. He would be better off in the village, who should take some pride in the fact that with him in the village, they'd have been much better off compared to when Pain blew up the village, only because Naruto wasn't around to defend them... P.S. - What happened to the THANKS option ?? __________________

05-13-2009, 06:08 AM	#208
ShiverX Wind User Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Sweden Posts: 386 Thanks: 46 Thanked 215 Times in 60 Posts	Re: Naruto vs Pain aftermatch predictions and Ideas Naruto vs Pain Aftermatch: - The broken path of Konoha - A Fan-fictional prediction by ShiverX ________________________________________ ______ "The sun was rising and the light from the new morning poked Hinata in the face as the flap to the smaller medical tent she was residing in opened and closed." Hinata: - Naruto Kun! "Hinata smiled at Naruto as he approached the light that was hanging over her bed. As she saw his face he smiled back. There was something in his eyes though, something wild and concerned. Hinata gave Naruto her hand and he began to sit down in the chair beside her bed. Hinata stopped him, scooping over and making room for him in the bed and signaling for him to sit by her side" Hinata: - Naruto, you can sit here...if you want. "Hinata blushed" "Naruto looks up, suddenly more present in thought and focused. " Naruto: - Hinata.... Are you sure? This is all happening so fast. I'm fine with sitting by your side you know. "Hinata looks Naruto straight into the eyes" Hinata: - No Naruto.... I want you to sit with me. It's ok... "Hinata hesitates and a Hinata panic is obviously on the way, Hinatas fingers touch point to point. She blushes and her eyes go down." Hinata: - Of course...eh...that is ..if you want to....I understand if it is weird or.. "Naruto smiles at Hinata and kneels down besides her to look her in the eyes. She meets his eyes and smile back calming down. Naruto leans in and Kisses Hinata stroking the side of her face and crawling into bed with her sitting by her side." Naruto: - I'm sorry Hinata, I don't know how to feel about all this. "Naruto does a gesture around the room, symbolizing Konoha, " Naruto: - My thoughts and feelings are all over the place. I know I'm happy you told me about your feelings, even though it was a little dramatic. "Naruto smiles and they both laugh about the image of the event" Naruto: - I like you Hinata....I .... Hinata: - I know Naruto....let's take it slow, a lot have happened. Naruto: - Exactly...I mean...you know I have the Kyuubi inside me.... Hinata: - I don't care Naruto. I like you just the way you are. "Naruto Kiss Hinata again" "Naruto leans forward being more serious" Hinata: - What is it Naruto Kun? Naruto: - Hinata.. I have to tell you something. Hinata: - Yes? "Naruto looks up and meets Hinata's eyes" Naruto: - Sakura told me about Tsunade passing away... "Hinata is chocked by this message" Hinata: - Tsunade...is....dead? Naruto: - Yes..... "Hinata looks sad" Naruto: - And that is not all. "Hinata looks up again, her eyes clearly tearful" Hinata:- What? Naruto: The elders..they..they want a new Hokage to be appointed soon. "Hinata sits in disbelief and silence" Naruto: - Yes....It is apparently because we need the village to look strong and be protected in this crisis... Anyway. They have appointed three candidates. Me, Sakura and Kakashi. Hinata: - You..? "Hinata wipes a tear from her eye" Hinata: - Hokage. That is your dream Naruto! Naruto: - Yes....that was what me and Sakura had to talk about... Hinata: - Oh..yes..Sakura.. Naruto : - The thing is, none of us are ready to be hokage yet..... Hinata: - But surely Kakashi can take the seat? Naruto: - We don't know about Kakashi yet. He still haven't awaken from his battle... "Hinata thinks for a moment" Hinata: - But...what did Sakura have to say then? "Naruto thinks back" Naruto: - It's not as much what she told me as what I told her. She holds the will of Tsunade and I hold the legacy of Jirayaa. Hinata: -And? Naruto: - I think she wanted me to approve of her as Hokage, she was struggling with the death of Tsunade. Apparently Tsunade's will was that she'd become the Hokage. Hinata: - But you want to be hokage right? Naruto: - Well, that is what she thought, and me to. But so much have happened and I have learned so much. I may not be able to take the Hokage seat yet. Hinata looks a little bewildered" Hinata: - What do you mean Naruto? "An image of Nagato and then Minato and masked Madara flashes in Narutos mind. Then a strong image of the Kyuubi. Naruto snaps out of it." Naruto: - I...am not ready to protect Konoha from the inside yet. I must fulfill Jirayaa's dream...and my fathers... "Naruto looks as in pain, Hinata takes his hand in hers" Hinata: - What Naruto? Your father? You can tell me. "Naruto meets her eyes again" Naruto: - My father Minato. Hinata wispers in suprise: - The fourth? Naruto: - Yes....and Jirayaa. They both wanted me to bring peace to the Shinobi world. "Hinata looks at Naruto in suprise." Hinata: - Save the shinobi world? The fourth you father? but? "Naruto laughs a little hearing how it all sounds" Naruto: - Yes I know it sounds crazy Hinata, but it's true. Jirayaa was told a prophesy by the head of the toads in myouboku mountain. In this prophesy there was to be a child. Someone Jirayaa would guide. This person was going to bring great revolution in the Shinobi world that would lead either to destruction or peace. Pa and Ma frog told me about this when I trained with them. They believed this child to be me. I don't know about that and I didn't believe it.....but during my fight with pain I met my father. Hinata: - You met the fourth?...but he is dead?! "Naruto smiles to himself" Naruto: - Yes...I don't understand it all myself but he apeared before me, in my mind as I was going to unseal the Kyuubi completely. Hinata: - Unseal it? Naruto: - I was lost Hinata.... seeing you die before me.....I wasn't strong enough. The Kyuubi got control over me, was steering me to break the seal, and at that point I could not resist.... Hinata: - Naruto.... Naruto: - As all hope was gone, he appeared in my mind. He stopped me from releasing the Kyuubi. Minato, my father, told me he set this up the day he sealed the fox inside of me. That would I ever be close to release the Kyuubi that he would appear and stop me. He told me about the inherited hate in the shinobi world that he could not fight. It is the same hate that Jirayaa told me about.... They both wished for me to find an answer. And I did, kind of. "Hinata meets Naruto's eyes. And smiles Gently" Hinata: - And what is your answer Naruto? "Naruto smiles at Hinata" "Naruto Kisses Hinata again" Naruto: - I used to dream of becoming Hokage, to protect all of you. That was my only wish....I was naive. Now I must take on the responsibility of more than Konoha. I must fulfill my new goals, and in that Jirayaa's and my fathers dreams. The answer is that there is no easy answer. There is no one "way" of bringing an end to the pain. I haven't got it all figured out yet but our best bet is to never loose hope, to never give up....to never go back on our determinations. It's like Jirayaa's stories about the gutsy ninja. I want to change the notion of the ninja as a tool or a weapon. We must go back to how it used to be when ninja was persons who helped people instead of a military force. Jirayaa told me about how it used to be like that. Ninjutsu must be a tool to create, not destroy. In the end I will achieve these goals, that is my determination, my new dream. I know it won't be easy and that it will take a long time. But I will never give up! __________________ Game over naruto! - Hell no! I still have lives left! Like a shadow, like a wind.. See my latest 509-510 prediction: Or Fan-fictional ending: - Reminiscing in the rain - Also see my: Uzumaki Hatake Nila Saga, a Naruto Epilogue. Or why not take a look at my Naruto fanfictional ending, peace at the end of a road.

05-13-2009, 06:08 AM	#209
ShiverX Wind User Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Sweden Posts: 386 Thanks: 46 Thanked 215 Times in 60 Posts	Re: Naruto vs Pain aftermatch predictions and Ideas "Hinata looks at Naruto with admiration" Hinata: - I'm sure you can do it Naruto. I have never seen anything you didn't do full out once you wanted to do it. But what about the seat of Hokage then? "Naruto thinks awhile before answering" Naruto: - I still want to be the Hokage of Konoha, but.... Hinata: - But? Naruto: - That path is broken..... Hinata: - What do you mean by broken? Naruto: - I am not ready to take the seat yet...... I need to be able to control the Kyuubi first. If I don't I will only hurt those I seek to protect. And I need to see what my determination can do in the world. I need to be free to travel.... "Hinata looks away, Naruto puts his hand on her cheek and gently turns her head towards him again" Naruto: - That doesn't mean that I wont be around Hinata. And it doesn't mean we can't be together. "Naruto smiles gently. Hinata responds" Naruto: - I will still be Hokage one day. But for now I can't take the full responsibility and foremost the fame. I need to be able to move Hinata: - I understand...but then, who will? Sakura? Is she willing to take that responsibility. Naruto: - Yes. We talked about it and she feels she wants to honor Tsunades wishes. But she can't do it alone. She don't have the strength to keep outside powers away or even internal problems. This is why we are hoping for Kakashi and Shikamaru as tactical advisers and I will be a protector of Konoha of sorts. Officially Sakura will take the seat and unofficially I will share that seat with her. Once I'm ready I will take the seat, this is a promise I made to her. But she will not be alone, she will form a council of people to help her protect and run Konoha. Instead of a military leader she will be the leader of this group that will make all decisions concerning Konoha together or appointed into areas. "Hinata is a little taken by this" Hinata: - Sharing the seat of Hokage? That has never been done before. "Naruto smiles" Naruto: - That is why it is perfect. Sakura has already send note for a meeting with the people involved before the meeting with the elders. You are a part of that group Hinata. I am to tell you about that to. There is much to do...But before that we should get some rest.. "Hinata smiles" Hinata: - Yes, soon. "Hinata kisses Naruto again" "Switch scene to outside Konoha" ----------------------------------------------- Danzo to Root members: - Once we have gathered enough survivors from the roots and ANBU we will move on Konoha and take leadership. It's about time Konoha had competent leadership again that can protect the people! Move into position! "Root members disperse. Danzo walks over to his vantage point over Konoha. He sweats a little at the sight of the village." Danzo thinks to himself: - Just as I thought stopping Naruto from returning would make the Akatsuki member try to kill the Hokage. Nagato is ruthless just like in the fight that long ago. But to think Yahiko is actually still alive. I thought he only moved by pure will back then, a kind of death twitch. "Danzo feels his face at the bandages" Danzo thinks: - And some death twitch it was......To think I was actually lucky that Naruto came back.... I never thought Yahiko and Nagato would cause this much destruction. And to think Naruto actually defeated them...We must take control now, this is our only chance to stop Konoha from going under. To secure the Nine-tails and avoid making any more mistakes. "Close up on Danzo's face with a maniac stare down upon Konoha." Danzo: I will be Hokage. The will of different generations clash! Next Chapter: - In the wake of the battle, clash generations - __________________ Game over naruto! - Hell no! I still have lives left! Like a shadow, like a wind.. See my latest 509-510 prediction: Or Fan-fictional ending: - Reminiscing in the rain - Also see my: Uzumaki Hatake Nila Saga, a Naruto Epilogue. Or why not take a look at my Naruto fanfictional ending, peace at the end of a road.

05-13-2009, 06:23 AM	#210
naruto_nutty Cunning Chunin Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: London, posh twats Age: 21 Posts: 673 Thanks: 831 Thanked 239 Times in 175 Posts	Re: Naruto vs Pain aftermatch predictions and Ideas Fucking brillant, 4.5/5 keeping em coming shiver, wth great creative comes great responsiblity. __________________ Which of these would you take home Here is Aizen Advert for recruiting Vasto Lordes because I can't imagine how else he does it. Becoming a Vasto Lorde does have its privileges, e.g you get to choose which meal you want today from a menu of hollows (big and small), adjucha, humans and the main course Shinigami's, but wait it's doesnt end there if you rip your mask off, you get the ultra special form of ARRANCAR, this baby comes with special Shinigami powers, extra powerful moves, like Grand-ray Cero and the extremely rare Zanpakuto. So sign up today, offer ends 31st Dec, terms and conditions apply. Please see Gin or Tosen for any further more details. Here is a link to the sexiest thread ever (Visiting my Profile may cause Epileptic Fit/Raucous Laughter)

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