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Old 04-21-2009, 06:15 AM   #136
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i think the death of yahiko would be from a konoha shinobi,so it would be like he forgave them for his parent and now yahiko.
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i think his answer will be what his father told him (the fourth)
That he does not know?
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Old 04-21-2009, 10:22 AM   #138
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people people no no you got it all wrong.... see kishi's idea for this chapter is to make it a cluster fuck of the theroies proven correct. Kakashi will come in last moment when naruto is done talking to nagota and finds out that konan is his mom ( dont ask i didnt make the therories) nagota is his uncle.... and be like naruto watch out for the shadow clone of nagota behind you fool and his mask will fall off and what you see is peter griffans chin. madara will show up and spaz out and he will say he is in tobi's body. kakashi will be all O_O WTF and then out of no where the 4th hokage comes out of narutos seal. WHat up nuckas and naruto will shit bricks. This is how the next chapter will be...... after the whole long talk with no suprises to it or any kinda of trying in making this chpater cool.....
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Old 04-21-2009, 10:58 AM   #139
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Re: Naruto 445 Prediction/Spoiler Discussion

Not sure if it's posted yet but I'll post it here now. It's the confirmed spoilers for 445. Read it if you dare....

Source: 2ch
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んじゃ簡易で
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長門両親の墓を立て物乞いに走る
Nagato's parents' grave was erected, and he travelled around, begging .

途中犬を拾う名前はチビ
On the way, He picked up a dog; it's name was Chibi.

誰も目もくれてくれず行き倒れになりそうな所
Everyone just ignored him, and he almost starved to death on the streets.

天使小南に拾われる そこで弥彦とも出会う
He was then picked up by Angel Konan, and then they happened to meet up with Yahiko.

(3人は生き抜くため盗みなどはたらきながら暮らす)
In order to survive they did things like stealing and working.

弥彦の夢は 世界征服 
Yahiko's dream is conquering the world.

ただ死んでしまうだけでは
It stayed the same until his death TL NOTE: Not sure.

死んでしまった父ちゃん母ちゃんに申し訳がないからと精一杯生き抜き
He wasn't able to apologize to his parents on their death, that's why he'll do his best to live til the end.

世界のてっぺんとったら戦争のない世界を作る~
If he can take the top of the world, he can create a world with no wars.

長門 わぁ神様みたいだね~
Nagato: Isn't that something like a God?

省略
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雨の中を歩く3人とチビ
Inside Rain, the three and Chibi walked.

上から爆札付きのクナイが空から降ってきて
From the above, a tagged kunai fell from the sky.

3人とチビは爆風に吹っ飛ばされてしまう
The three and Chibi were blown away by the blest.

小南 チビが><
Konan: Chibi!?

弥彦 こんな所で戦争かよ と誰が戦ってるのか覗きにいく
Yahiko: This place is a warzone. I'm gonna check and see who're fighting.

   あれは 才蔵と木の葉の忍びか(ジライヤ・ツナデ・大蛇丸)
That was Saizou and some Konoha shinobi (Jiraiya, Tsunade, Orochimaru) TL NOTE: Kanji is Saizou, but Hanzou makes more sense.

   ここじゃ巻き込まれてしまう安全な場所へ~
Let's not involve ourselves with this and go to a safe place.

チビ長門の腕の中で死亡
In Nagato's arms was a dead Chibi.

弥彦 くそっ俺が神様になってこの戦争のない世界を作ってやる~
   みたいなと事をいい
Yahiko: Damnit, I'll become a God and make this world a world with no wars.

長門 (弥彦の夢が 次第に自分の夢にもなっていった…)
Nagato (Yahiko's dream gradually became my own dream...)

で終了(背表紙はナルト タイトル・扉絵は忘れました…)
The end. (Spine of book is Naruto, I forgot the title and cover).

長門の痛みは両親の死と犬の死ですねわかります><
From what I understand, Nagato's Pain is his parent's death and the dog's death.

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Old 04-21-2009, 11:03 AM   #140
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Wow, this makes Nagato look even worst.

He wants to realise Yahiko's dream, yet most likely it will hit him like a ton of bricks that he is going about it all wrong.
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Old 04-21-2009, 11:09 AM   #141
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Wow, this makes Nagato look even worst.

He wants to realise Yahiko's dream, yet most likely it will hit him like a ton of bricks that he is going about it all wrong.
Yeah, I thought the 2nd one would be Yahiko's death but then again, Nagato was a kid back then so a lot of things could happen that would make him mentally unstable. Look at Garra for example. He was ignored by everyone becasue they all viewed him as a monster. Then they tried to kill him, which drove him to set his own goal of killing people in order for "his existence to have meaning".
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Old 04-21-2009, 11:19 AM   #142
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Nagato was a kid back then so a lot of things could happen that would make him mentally unstable. Look at Garra for example. He was ignored by everyone becasue they all viewed him as a monster. Then they tried to kill him, which drove him to set his own goal of killing people in order for "his existence to have meaning".
Im not saying Gaara was in the right before Naruto changed his ways, Nagato however was hyped to have had the worst possible things imaginable happen to him which turned him into a psycho with a disturbing ideology for a security blanket.

So far, at least for me his reasons are not all reasonable ( reasons for killing people are never really reasonable but still ) if you weight it against what he has doen and how many he has killed.
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Old 04-21-2009, 11:28 AM   #143
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Im not saying Gaara was in the right before Naruto changed his ways, Nagato however was hyped to have had the worst possible things imaginable happen to him which turned him into a psycho with a disturbing ideology for a security blanket.

So far, at least for me his reasons are not all reasonable ( reasons for killing people are never really reasonable but still ) if you weight it against what he has doen and how many he has killed.
Surely, next week we will learn about Yahiko's death then. It's not a horribly bad chapter, it does give a bit more justification. I agree it's not all that reasonable but when you are starving, living in a war-zone and something even marginally worse happens, you can snap. Most likely Yahiko's death pulled the plug on any sort of mental stability Nagato had.. I mean even Konan says in the chapter before the Invasion "can't you stop this madness?" and he says "this is my justice." It's making Nagato's character marginally better but he still needs some more bad incidents to be believable.
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Old 04-21-2009, 12:06 PM   #144
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Exactly. War itself and the experience of it could drive someone like Nagato to cause such harm and chaos. It's not unlike today's world in the middle east where war has always been the norm and innocent children and parents get caught in the crossfire. How would you expect the kids to feel if their parents, friends or pets gets killed in front of them? They would want revenge. They would someday make those people pay for what they did. I'm not saying what Nagato is doing is justified but he has a pretty good reason for bringing destruction and chaos to the Hidden Leaf and the rest of the Ninja world.

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Nagato's motives and reasons do not justify what he has done or what he plans to do. If someone close to you is killed its only natural you'd feel the need to get revenge on the killer due to extreme anger and sadness.

Nagato however killed Hanzou and his entire clan, destroyed Konoha and wants to create a weapon powerful enough to reduce entire countries to ash all for the sake of his twisted idea of peace.

The innocent people who were caught in the middle of his BS died for no reason, his past tragedies don't justify any of that and never will.

I agree with TSO, Mikey and some others who want Nagato to be butchered in the worst possible way. we're talking MK lvl brutality and even that is too good for his bony ass.

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.lol Nagato is nothing more than a welp who only lives through the bloated dreams of a lost child. His persona is soley based on Yahiko. His entire existence is based on the exaggerated expectations of what Yahiko wanted to be. So the dog also plays a major role in this...

This chapter made me laugh in the most awful way possible.
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His parents were killed for no other reason than they were in a location where war was being waged.

He was starving to death and the dog was the first friend he ever had. It died because, like his parents, it was in the proximity of a war zone.

If the flashbacks continue I bet we see Yahiko also become a casualty of war.

I think Nagato doesn't so much just hate the leaf, he hates War in general. If he, as one person can become some evil and so destructive that everyone else quits fighting each other out of their fear for him, then he accomplishes his goal even if he has to become what he loathes in the process.

I bet that if we get even more information we discover that the reason each of those bodies was someone J-man knew from before is because they were the greatest "weapon" of each of the warring nations. Nagato took their weapons away from them and then re-made them into his own. When he finds out about the tailed beasts and how they are sealed into the Jinchuriki to make the ultimate weapons he upgrades his plans and decides that he needs those instead. If he has an example of each nations weapon, then crafts the ultimate weapon from what are the most powerful beings in existance he can end war. Sure... lots of innocent people die now, but if in the end he succeeds and stops war how many more will he have saved?

It is a twisted sense of justice and a really messed up view of the world, but through these flashbacks I can see why he is so messed up. All he has ever known is Pain and loss because of war, so he will stop war at any cost by making the people who wage it know what it feels like to be on the losing side. It is boring, but it does give you an idea of why he is a sociopath.
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His parents were killed for no other reason than they were in a location where war was being waged.

He was starving to death and the dog was the first friend he ever had. It died because, like his parents, it was in the proximity of a war zone.

If the flashbacks continue I bet we see Yahiko also become a casualty of war.

I think Nagato doesn't so much just hate the leaf, he hates War in general. If he, as one person can become some evil and so destructive that everyone else quits fighting each other out of their fear for him, then he accomplishes his goal even if he has to become what he loathes in the process.

I bet that if we get even more information we discover that the reason each of those bodies was someone J-man knew from before is because they were the greatest "weapon" of each of the warring nations. Nagato took their weapons away from them and then re-made them into his own. When he finds out about the tailed beasts and how they are sealed into the Jinchuriki to make the ultimate weapons he upgrades his plans and decides that he needs those instead. If he has an example of each nations weapon, then crafts the ultimate weapon from what are the most powerful beings in existance he can end war. Sure... lots of innocent people die now, but if in the end he succeeds and stops war how many more will he have saved?

It is a twisted sense of justice and a really messed up view of the world, but through these flashbacks I can see why he is so messed up. All he has ever known is Pain and loss because of war, so he will stop war at any cost by making the people who wage it know what it feels like to be on the losing side. It is boring, but it does give you an idea of why he is a sociopath.
Nice post. He does seem to think that humans cannot understand one another without having experienced the same conditions, so his destruction of Konoha is a sick means of getting people to detest war. His warped idealism wants war ended, even at the cost of millions. Regardless, I don't sympathize with him, war is inevitable, it's sad he lost so much, but life is not always fair, reality can be cruel.
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I agree. He needs to eat a face full of FRS for all the crap he has caused. If nothing else he should be forced to beg for mercy just for killing J-man. He should have been ripped to shreds just as soon as he pulled the whole wheelchair rod attack. Naruto is a softy though.

What will be really funny is after Naruto converts him and then goes back and tells the remaining villagers "Hey it's okay I talked to him, he repented, so I let him live." And one of the adults says "Excuse me... did you ever even pass the chunin exam? I don't care if you can go all froggy eyed and kick the crap out of super villians. You are still dumb as a box of rocks." Then finishes Nagato off.
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I translated the part that the translator was not sure.
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ただ死んでしまうだけでは
It stayed the same until his death TL NOTE: Not sure.
>If I just die in vain,

死んでしまった父ちゃん母ちゃんに申し訳がないからと精一杯生き抜き
He wasn't able to apologize to his parents on their death, that's why he'll do his best to live til the end.
>I am sorry for my dead father and mother. So I will do my best to live till the end
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