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Old 04-17-2009, 01:56 PM   #31
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Re: Naruto 445 Prediction/Spoiler Discussion

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The origin of Pain

(Nagato continues his speech)

"As my parents lost their lives, a great surge of power awakened in me. In that instant, my troubles were gone," said Nagato. (Naruto's confused) "In other words, he claimed their lives," said Konan. "Konoha shinobi robbed me of my dear parents when I was seven years old. I knew it was an accident, but I couldn't just forgive them. I was so young back then. I use to hate all Konoha shinobi. Until. Until I met him. Jiraiya sensei," said Nagato.

"So, what happened," asked Naruto. "He trained us and taught us how to defend ourselves," said Nagato. "Us," asked Naruto. "Correct Uzumaki. Jiraiya sensei trained both of us," said Konan. "But there was one more. Someone who I must'nt forget," said Nagato.

"His name was Yahiko," said Konan. "He was my best friend. We lived through it all. If it wasn't for him, I wouldn't be where I am today. He willed our cause and I used my power to make those dreams a reality," said Nagato. (Naruto thinks of Sasuke) "What happened to him," asked Naruto.

"He died years ago, but even through death his hand was always their, leading my power," said Nagato. (Nagato pictures Godd Realm.)

"That's enough Nagato, Uzumaki, surrender yourself," asked Konan. "Stop Konan. I'm not finished yet. You wanted to find out the reason why I became who I am, I'll tell you the second reason," said Nagato. "So it wasn't because of the death of your friend," asked Naruto.

(Nagato smiles)

"Initially we planned to rebuild Amegakure. That was our main goal. Jiraiya believed in us, he said we'd grow up strong enough to accomplish such a feat. For years we've gathered and fought off rebels and warring adversaries. But nothing could have prepared us for the civil war ahead. Hanzou of the Salamander," said Nagato.

"Who is that," asked Naruto. "A reknowed shinobi. A man who was known as the most powerful shinobi alive at the time. He was the man who bestowed the name Sannin to Jiraiya, Orochimaru, and Tsunade in exchange for their lives during the second shinobi war," said Nagato.

"He took on all of them and lived? He must have been amazing," said Naruto. "The three of us had control of one side of the village's government, while Hanzou had control of another. His men were too experienced. And the casualties were high," said Nagato. "We feared we would lose the battle and the village over to him," said Konan.

"In order for our people to have faith in the new system, we would have to put an end to Hanzou and his men. We wanted a place where everyone would understand each other. The Rain was litered with battle scars. To end it, we had to oppose the old regime.

Later a platoon that included Konan here, Yahiko, and three other skilled teammates from the new order. We've also recieved aid from trusted and capable allies from the neighboring lands. A man from the hidden grass and another man from the hidden waterfall. They wanted the best for Amegakure and we've shared several missions with each other previously. They were indebted. We also had a small group of file and rank soliders who aided our cause.

(Flash back of the the vessles to be.)

We planned a Coup, a secret assination of Hanzou. (Shows them sneaking into Hanzou's base and taking down Hanzou's troops. Eventually the new order were overwhelmed by the troops. Which forced them to escaped to the outskirts.)

Like I said earlier. They were too powerful for us. Our group was especially gifted, but we lacked man power. Many of our followers were weak and afraid to oppose Hanzou. Soon enough, he appeared before us. (Hanzou ontop of his Salamander challenges the new order)

We lost the battle and with it many of our allies and my best friend," said Nagato. (Shows Konan holding the injured Nagato. Nagato reaches out to his fallen.) "We couldn't just surrender though. That's when Pain had to become God," said Konan. (Naruto is puzzled)

"Hanzou left the two of us alive. I don't know if it was out of pity, but I used my opportunity to tip the odds in my favor. The next time we met, I would erase his existence from the face of this planet. That's when I created a new kinjutsu. I couldn't bring back the dead, but I was able to rebirth their abilities. Over a period of time I developed a new skill that made me invinceable. The abilities of our allies were formidable, I needed a way to make them my own weapon and permenant at that. I would watch over the village from my lab in the tallest Tower, and use my secret weapon to destroy Hanzou's history and legacy," said Nagato.

"Wait. So the bodies that I've fought were once those of your allies," said Naruto. (Nagato smirks) "That's right. The bodies you've been destroying left and right were once those of my best friend and former allies. (Naruto's startled) We won the battle and began to rebuild Amegakure. But, during the battle I noticed something. As long as there is love, there is hatred. Difference in opinion and interpreation is human instinct. So I began my quest to rid this world of hatred. And through Pain, the hand of judgement will give birth to momentary peace. And once that peace ends the hand of judgement guides the world through Pain once more, into an endless cycle. In the world of shinobi, this is the only way. Having said this. Let me here your answer," said Nagato.

"I guess under the shinobi world, there is no way that people can understand each other and form peace. I've figured that out," said Naruto. "So, after all this you have no answer. Give me the Kyuubi, I'll save you from your failure and form real peace," said Nagato.

"I never said I didn't have an answer. My answer, the task that I was entrusted with. (Flash back of Jiraiya). I'll break the way of the shinobi. If people can't understand each other and form peace through understanding from this system, we'll try another. I'll shatter the way of the shinobi, starting with you," said Naruto. (He's in Sage mode and Naruto's eyes go Kyuubi and his wiskers grow. Nagato and Konan are startled.)

"He gathered natural energy this quickly," said Nagato.

"Nagato," yelled Konan. "You're nothing more than a relic of the past. A dirty mistake that needs to be forgotten. You're life ends now," said Naruto. (Naruto carries two large Oodama Rasengans in his hands. They're infused with the Kyuubi's chakra.)

Next Chapter: After hearing Naruto's answer, Nagato faces death
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Old 04-17-2009, 02:06 PM   #32
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Re: Naruto 445 Prediction/Spoiler Discussion

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This shows that he has 100% control of his bijuu and can draw from him whenever and however he wants.
The only thing I think the eyes meant at all was that he was about to lose it. Every time he gets really emotional he sprouts tails and loses control. Nagato just forced him to re-live J-man and Kakashi's death so I am pretty sure he would be very emotional at that point. I think because he was in sage mode and recently had the seal strengthened he was able to keep from losing himself, but Kishi showed us the fox/sage eyes to let us know just how close he came to going fox again after seeing that.

Oh and ...first post. I have been lurking here for months but finally had to post after this crappy chapter because I keep reading all the theories on the fox/sage eyes and figured I would give my own opinion.

As for the next chapter. I think we see Yahiko's death like many have already said, but I think in the chapter after Naruto explains his pain. How he was also alone, how he had to deal with the hatred... Gaara speech take 2... and shows Nagato his answer that way.

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Old 04-17-2009, 02:20 PM   #33
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Re: Naruto 445 Prediction/Spoiler Discussion

@ TSO

Great job as always.

Too bad the next chapter will most likely be 18 pages of Nagato talking out of his ass.
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Old 04-17-2009, 02:39 PM   #34
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Re: Naruto 445 Prediction/Spoiler Discussion

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The only think I think the eyes meant at all was that he was about to lose it. Every time he gets really emotional he sprouts tails and loses it. Nagato just forced him to re-live J-man and Kakashi's death so I am pretty sure he would be very emotional at that point. I think because he was in sage mode and recently had the seal strengthened he was able to keep from losing himself, but Kishi showed us the fox/sage eyes to let us know just how close he came to going fox again after seeing that.
I also think it's just the emo state Naruto is in.

My prediction is in next chapter Nagato kills the Konoha shinobis using his rinnegan ha...power. That will also be another scar on Nagato because he never wanted to hurt anyone. Then after that he will go around alone until he meets Yahiko and Konan. They will struggle to survive until they meet Jiraiya. But after Jiraiya leaves things will start going bad again. So Nagato, Yahiko and Konan will form a team and do some active things on their own. After Yahiko dies Nagato will turn that team into akatsuki. Maybe the whole story will last for two chapters.
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Old 04-17-2009, 03:31 PM   #35
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More than that. Now Im beginning to think that this recap will last for atleast 3-4 more chapters. I don't expect to know everything about Pain, the second strongest shinobi with the most powerful doujutsu ever, in just 2 more chapters.
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Old 04-17-2009, 04:15 PM   #36
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445 will probably be a bit more discussion between naruto and nagato followed by a story about his second great cause of pain........the death of Yahiko.
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Old 04-17-2009, 06:53 PM   #37
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Re: Naruto 445 Prediction/Spoiler Discussion

My prediction is kishi is dragging this out again....starting to feel like every comic is only showing 2 mins of so called "real time"

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Old 04-17-2009, 08:35 PM   #38
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Even though I want Nagato to be punched into cripple-pudding, I want his character to not be an emo-Sasuke sort of character, we have one, his name is Sasgay. A villain with a god complex is so original, Kishimoto-sensei! :P :P.
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Old 04-17-2009, 08:39 PM   #39
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Not a bad idea Shiver that seem like a very strong possiblilty
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Old 04-17-2009, 08:50 PM   #40
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agreed agreed but anime must add more to these chapters right or else that only about 1.30 mins of footage
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I think TSO's prediction > Kishimoto reality...
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Why dont someone assassinate Danzo if he a bad guy i mean he an old grit for crying out loud come on ( plus is it me or is Sai his altar boy) hehehe just throwing thoughts out
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Why dont someone assassinate Danzo if he a bad guy i mean he an old grit for crying out loud come on ( plus is it me or is Sai his altar boy) hehehe just throwing thoughts out
Most likely he uses intermediates to do his dirty work and since he has his own ANBU, is near impossible to spy on. He also goes back to the days of the Third and is an Elder, making him nigh untouchable. He has to take up arms to be removed.
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Hefty prediction...
Wot a brilliantly done prediction u know what i think this has covered 2 chapters right here (becoz 17 pages go by in a flash and this contains so much info)

A BIG HAND TO TSO

What the hell does the Rinnegan do, i mean seriously have we seen him perform any of the legendary stuff this thing is meant to do, becoz all of his other jutsu probably came from those ninja bodies he took and i repeat again (apart from the the Chibaku Tensei (apparently a mini moon

WHAT THE HELL DOES THE RINNEGAN DO APART FROM LOOKING COOL AND HYPNOTIC
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Why dont someone assassinate Danzo if he a bad guy i mean he an old grit for crying out loud come on ( plus is it me or is Sai his altar boy) hehehe just throwing thoughts out
Actually, I have been thinking lately that Sai, changed from his experience with Naruto, and Sakura, may be the one to take out his former master. For endangering what he has come to appreciate. Then again, Sai is so underused, that may not even be in the realm of possibility.
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