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Old 01-16-2009, 05:39 PM   #1
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Frog Katas against Gentle Fist

Okay we know that Konoha is home to some interesting taijutsu styles. The most effective fighting style from the village however is the Gentle Fist, which is the Hyuuga's clan speciality.

Unlike regular physical attacks, Gentle Fist is directed toward the shinobi's internal network. These strikes can be used to attack the chakra network, which is linked to the internal organs. Due to the clan's ability to manipulate the chakra around them, they are able to inject chakra into their opponent's body via fingers, palms, or fists.

Due to the Byakugan, the shinobi can view the tenketsu, which comprises of 361 pressure points, if striked will cause the shinobi to be unable to draw on chakra required for jutsu. Anyway this style is so effective because unlike the outer body, the internals are difficult if not impossible to train.

Advanced members like Neji, can extend the control of their chakra based attacks and can use the clan's most dangerous techniques, such as rotation to deflect the enemy's chakra attacks back at the opponent.

Now, how would Frog Katas match up to the Hyuuga's fighting style?

Frog Katas uses all of the natural energy the shinobi has learned to master, the same power used to lift huge boulders and create more powerful ninjutsu, is packed into the physical strikes of the shinobi.

With that being said, a Sage uses the natural energy around him or her self to power up attacks, and even if the physical strikes miss, the chakra surronding them is used to thrash the opponent. Severly.

However how well can it stand up to Gentle Fist? Can a Byakugan member even see natural chakra?

So far, based on what Fukasku stated, to be able to feel natural energy, a shinobi must be able to use it to some degree. The Rinnegan, which appears to be able to detect chakra barriers invisible to the naked eye, can not pick up natural energy.

But what about the Byakugan? Its vision can be used as a form of telescope or even a microscope, being able to view the contents of the shinobi's chakra network. Perhaps the Byakugan can pick up the presence of natural energy, however the degree in which a shinobi is able to use the Byakugan, depends on the skill of the Hyuuga clan member.

So if an advanced Byakugan user can see natural energy followed by the blow, perhaps they could avoid the direction of both the blow and the wave following afterwards. But that's extremely difficult due to the speed of a Sage. Evading both the physical blow and the wave following afterwards may be difficult indeed. But there's rotation. Is it effective in reversing natural energy?

So what are your thoughts on how the Frog Katas and Gentle Fits matches up? I think they are both every interesting Taijutsu styles. Perhaps only a Byakugan clan member can avoid complete destruction from the Sage's Taijutsu.lol
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Old 01-16-2009, 06:29 PM   #2
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Re: Frog Katas against Gentle Fist

interesting match up.

If its a straight taijutsu fight we must also take into account speed. I'd say Sage Naruto has the edge on this department against neji, but the hyuga can strike quite fast as well. Also Would Junken hurt Naruto at all ??

Imagine if you will a field of NE surrounding a Sage. Junken inflicts dmg by forcing the users chakra into the opponets system. But would junken be able to penetrate a layer of NE ??

In the end i give the edge to Frog katas because NE has extended range and most likely a layer of protection.
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Re: Frog Katas against Gentle Fist

if naruto would fight the frog style and neji would fight him hyuuga style, only taijutsu, no ninjutsu (no seals), one on one - neji would win.
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if naruto would fight the frog style and neji would fight him hyuuga style, only taijutsu, no ninjutsu (no seals), one on one - neji would win.
What a powerful argument.
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Re: Frog Katas against Gentle Fist

Nejis gentle fist is a bad match up for someone in sage mode lol. One hit and your chakra unbalances, you turn into a frog. As for naruot using NE as a shield, neji has already shown he can project his energy over a long distance. So, Im sure neji could punch a hole right through that NE sheild.
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Re: Frog Katas against Gentle Fist

Naruto gets Two big ass rasengans going and lets see what will happen then
all he has to do is run in too Neji while protection himself in Oodamas (Like on Mario Kart when you get that red shell that circles around you if somebody comes near Wam Bam Thank You Mam). So if Nejis tries to strike the rasengans will do his ass in. Nobody can get around them big mothafuckas.
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What a powerful argument.
neji can focus his chakra and disable narutos chakra paths, while narutos attack is just an old fashioned smack.
neji has been practicing his taijutsu and chakra control the most and that is nejis strongest point.
nejis fist attacks are faster than narutos attacks in sage mode...even the hungry ghost pein avoided a direct hit from naruto. imagine what would neji do in that situation. neji would quickly add a few of his stabs to naruto before naruto would hit neji with "natural energy". then neji would get up after that and naruto would be the one to suffer an incomplete chakra control
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Naruto gets Two big ass rasengans going and lets see what will happen then
all he has to do is run in too Neji while protection himself in Oodamas (Like on Mario Kart when you get that red shell that circles around you if somebody comes near Wam Bam Thank You Mam). So if Nejis tries to strike the rasengans will do his ass in. Nobody can get around them big mothafuckas.
naruto would win like that, but the question was about narutos new hand to hand combat style being stronger than nejis...
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Naruto gets Two big ass rasengans going and lets see what will happen then
all he has to do is run in too Neji while protection himself in Oodamas (Like on Mario Kart when you get that red shell that circles around you if somebody comes near Wam Bam Thank You Mam). So if Nejis tries to strike the rasengans will do his ass in. Nobody can get around them big mothafuckas.
We have no Idea how much nejis ultimate defense has become. If naruto uses rasengan on neji, neji will use rotation and redirect the force back at naruto. Neji uses redirection over brute force. Neji redirects the opponents energy of their attack at themselves, In essence, making them defeat themselves with their own energy.
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Well, you dont know how fast the pein bodies are, really. I would imagine just injecting chakra into make their(nagato's) reflexes unhindered. Kakashi is not exactly slow you know. The pein bodies do not have a chakra flow, the rods, just project them throughout the bodies on a molecular level. Dead bodies do not have a chakra flow. Nagato would have a chakra flow, his bodies would not, in fact, that is were his bodies would have an advantage, because they have no chakra flow. Neji's would only work in scrambling pein's influence, Sage chakra would be the same, naruto needs a chakra flow to activate sage mode, But it would act the same as nagato's chakra being received by the bodies, kyuubi chakra as well. It would vibrate at the molecular level, not being bound by a network flow.

Kabuto was impressed with naruto's chakra supply even without the kyuubi, he said, if he mastered it, he woudl be unstoppable, when he gets the other half of the kyuubi, and partner with him maybe, whew.

But no, neji would not stand a chance really, the only chance he would have, is when naruto is in his normal state. And i bet his chakra control is even on par with sakura, I would love to see him train with lee, and build a high speed body in his natural state though. But knowing neji since having fought naruto , naruto would be wary of his juuken since he got a taste of it. So the fact remains if neji's chakra scalpels would warp around naruto sage enery field, and i doubt at this point he could keep up with naruto. The boy is only like 13-14. Nowhere to go but up.
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Nejis gentle fist is a bad match up for someone in sage mode lol. One hit and your chakra unbalances, you turn into a frog. As for naruot using NE as a shield, neji has already shown he can project his energy over a long distance. So, Im sure neji could punch a hole right through that NE sheild.
Well once the shinobi is in Sage Mode, their body is already activated. Thus natural energy is already entering and existing the body at a fixed rate. Hitting the chakra points may cause Sage Mode to run out faster, that's about it. A Sage's body will keep refilling with natural energy until the body runs out of Sage chakra.

An experienced Sage, like Naruto could just draw on more natural energy, I'm sure he's got the hang of it. As long as Naruto could keep himself out of Neji's range when he's drawing on the energy. But Naruto has developed another method for gathering natural energy. We just don't know if its complete or not.

True, Neji can extend his chakra at further distances. Of course his range is still quite limited. Neji's is best strickly in closer quarters. However is he still safe in these quarters against Naruto's Frog Katas? Naruto is not only faster than Neji, he is also much more powerful. Neji can't keep doing Rotation forever. He mostly uses it to block all direction attacks that he can not evade on his own.

Neji fights up in personal. We know this from the chunnin exams. Neji is great at making his opponents miss due to his fast reflexes and the Byakugan seeing the muscle reflexes precisely. However a direct strike from Frog Katas is extremely life threatening, its not necessary. Even though Neji may make his opponet miss, the natural energy Naruto flings off his body as he strikes becomes a weapon in itself.

I take it its pretty much impossible to deflect natural energy. I mean if it could be defended against, I'm sure Hungry Ghost would have absorbed it. So Natural energy by itself is too pure, so it can't be blocked. Now if its added into a ninjutsu, that's different.
But as it stands, Neji would have to stay away from Naruto. Even if the attack misses, Neji would be turned into mush. That's the same power that picks up something weighing tons.

Perhaps Neji has more mid-ranged attacks. He's not at long ranged shinobi, and if he attempts techniques from too long of a range, his attacks won't have as much accuracy because chakra bursts can only be controlled from so far away. Neji would have to out smart Naruto and fight mid-ranged if he wants to survive. Close range is no longer safe. This may put Neji in an uncomfortable situation, because he's strickly a close ranged shinobi, but up against Frog Katas, its the only scenario.
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Re: Frog Katas against Gentle Fist

I actually dont have a good argument cause I don't know everything about Narutos Sage Mode yet. But putting Naruto in Sage Mode against Neji, in a Taijutsu match would be intresting. Though I think that Naruto would corner Neji and eventually get a clean hit on him then it's over. And yeah, we don't know HOW fast Naruto really is.. It's hard to tell, we can only conclude that Naruto is really fast!!
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Re: Frog Katas against Gentle Fist

A great arguement TSO ^^

Speed is the factor here and we have witnessed Sage Modes terrifying quickness. Even if Neji can deflect Naruto physical attacks but the natural energy that comes with it have low chance if not impossible to avoid. Neji's might cause severe injuries to his hands if he tries to deflect frog katas.
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Re: Frog Katas against Gentle Fist

u know naruto first has to swing to hit someone right? when neji blocks his chakra paths how is naruto going to refill himself with natural energy? its not going to be balanced. and we still havent seen the range of nejis stabs. naruto would not land a clean hit on neji. consider that neji can see all of chakra flow and probably can see narutos extended body. so what fat pein didnt avoid because he didnt see, neji would see and avoid. neji would adapt to narutos extended body.
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Re: Frog Katas against Gentle Fist

I just relized how wrong this argument is, why because in a battle naruto nor neji would be using sagemode or byukagon for the whole battle. So this thread really should be Naruto vs. Neji how would the cards stack up now that Narutos a Sage and Neji is a Jounin. And what would be the final outcome?

and too answer that I would say Naruto by a little bit, even though they are both older I know Naruto is still a little sneaky motherfucker and im willing to bet a underground uppercut like the chunnin exams would end the fight.
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