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Old 04-25-2009, 04:33 PM   #46
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Again getting away from the original question. He of course over time learned new jutsu by using his rinnegan. He learned these jutsu by himself because he's the only one capable of doing them. Nagato after Jiraiya's training could active rinnegan on command & access all elements. Meaning he learned how to control his dojutsu then. Creating new jutsu after this training has nothing to do with gaining a new found control over the rinnegan.
Jiraiya never actually "taught" Nagato to control the Rinnegan. He just comforted him that night and made him understand certain things, which stabilised Nagato's mind and ever since, Nagato kept the Rinnegan activated throughout. He learnt a lot of jutsus from Jiraiya, but he learnt it himself using his Rinnegan.
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Rinnegan does not control Nagato & hasn't since Nagatos training. I'll say it again since you seem to be a compleate moron Nagato learned how to control his power because of Jiraiya's training.
Again, Nagato learnt to control the Rinnegan himself after listening to Jiraiya's words. Over course of time he learnt to use it properly...so yeah, you can say that it was due to Jiraiya's training.
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Re: Naruto 446 Prediction/Spoiler Discussion

i like how some people complained about the naruto v pain fight dragging on, and we get a couple chapters of dialogue and people complain about no action.

next chapter more dialogue, specifically on how they were trained by jiraiya and what happened once he left them alone.
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Jiraiya never actually "taught" Nagato to control the Rinnegan. He just comforted him that night and made him understand certain things, which stabilised Nagato's mind and ever since, Nagato kept the Rinnegan activated throughout. He learnt a lot of jutsus from Jiraiya, but he learnt it himself using his Rinnegan.

Again, Nagato learnt to control the Rinnegan himself after listening to Jiraiya's words. Over course of time he learnt to use it properly...so yeah, you can say that it was due to Jiraiya's training.
Common ninja teachings such as chakra types, shape manipulation, nature manipulation, hand signs, & chakra channeling would have been taught to these kids. With this information Nagato would have learned how to access his rinnegan on command & in essence learned how to control it. Before the training Rinnegan only activated in times of stress. It wasn't simply words but the teachings of the fundamentals of jutsu taught to him by Jiraiya that gave Nagato access to his dojutsu. I don't understand why some of you don't get that.
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Makes sense to me, Jiraiya didn't teach every specific move, and manuever but the basics of their jutsu's.
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Common ninja teachings such as chakra types, shape manipulation, nature manipulation, hand signs, & chakra channeling would have been taught to these kids. With this information Nagato would have learned how to access his rinnegan on command & in essence learned how to control it. Before the training Rinnegan only activated in times of stress. It wasn't simply words but the teachings of the fundamentals of jutsu taught to him by Jiraiya that gave Nagato access to his dojutsu. I don't understand why some of you don't get that.
I'm not necessarily sure about that. If you recall, Ridoku created the Ninja world. So, I would assume that means such teachings wouldn't have been available to him. More than likely, he taught himself. I think it's fair to assume that Nagato could have done the same thing. However, yes, Jiraiya no doubt helped things a long.
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i like how some people complained about the naruto v pain fight dragging on, and we get a couple chapters of dialogue and people complain about no action.

next chapter more dialogue, specifically on how they were trained by jiraiya and what happened once he left them alone.
I doubt they'll show much training if any. Maybe a page or two of them with Jiraiya but that's about it. We're supposed to find out about his second pain next chapter which would most likely be the death of Yahiko. We'll probably see them fighting against Hanzou's forces a little until they face Hanzou himself. Hanzou would then pwn the 3 kids(now young adults). It'll end with a dead Yahiko in Nagato's arms with Nagato screaming.
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I would hope to see if it would explain how Nagato was able to achieve those bodies that Jiraiya defeated and thus became the 6 paths of pain.
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Here's my prediction.

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Nagato- Soon after the battle between Hanzo and the Sannin had ended, we followed them back to a nearby town, where we asked them for food.
Nagato, Yahiko and Konan are shown meeting the Sannin.
Nagato- Yahiko then asked them for training in Ninjutsu, and although Orochimaru and Tsunade were less than adamant about helping us, Jiraiya-sama agreed to teach us.
The three orphans are shown training with Jiraiya and then Nagato is shown with Jiraiya after he had killed the Rock-Nin.
Nagato- Jiraiya was my greatest teacher; he not only taught me Ninjutsu but he taught about the ways of the real world. Through his words I learned the nature of pain, and how it could be used to save the world.
Jiraiya is shown leaving the orphans with Nagato looking on.
Nagato- It was then, after he left us, that we knew what we had to do.
Hanzo is shown on a balcony overlooking Amegakure.
Nagato- Hanzou, the warlord of Amegakure and the source of all our misery and suffering; we realized that only through his death could we possibly end this cycle of war and chaos.
The orphans are shown with a small group of Rain-nin surrounding them.
Nagato- So we organized a resistance against Hanzo's leadership; we gathered the scattered remains of previous factions in an effort to destroy his grip on the village. But we were too few; we didn't have the weapons, jutsu or numbers to overthrow Hanzo and our hope of an insurrection seemed hollow.
The four orphans are shown on the outskirts of Amegakure, a figure in a Kage robe approaches them.
Nagato- Or at least it did until we received help from the most unlikely of places.
The figure is shown; it is the Mizukage, but the cloth from the head peace conceals his face and reveals only one of his eyes (Madara).
Nagato- The Mizukage at the time, for reasons I was not aware of at the time, saw opportunity in out struggle and secretly provided our faction with weapons, Shinobi and finances that would finally allow us to unleash our insurrection.
Amegakure is shown; it's now in chaos, with Yahiko and Konan leading the resistance against Hanzo's troops.
Nagato- On that day, we battled tooth and nail against Hanzo's regime, crushing all resistance with our might.
Nagato is shown walking through a hallway towards a massive door.
Nagato- I ascended to the tallest tower in Amegakure and prepared to face Hanzo myself.
Nagato opens the massive door; opens up to a huge room, where Hanzo stands out on a balcony with his back turned.
Hanzo- I've heard rumors about you; you are the leader of the resistance, the source of all my troubles.
Nagato walks forward.
Hanzo- Some of them even call you a god, but most I've heard just call you Pein; is that true?
Nagato (Flashback)- Yes.
Hanzo- Have you come to kill me?
Nagato (Flashback)- I have.
Hanzo sighs.
Hanzo- Very well then.
Hanzo puts on his breathing apparatus; suddenly, a massive Salamander breaks up through the floor. Nagato jumps back, and watches as Hanzo leaps on to the Salamander and takes a battle stance.
Hanzo- TO ARMS PEIN!

Next Chapter- The fall of Hanzo
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I doubt they'll show much training if any. Maybe a page or two of them with Jiraiya but that's about it. We're supposed to find out about his second pain next chapter which would most likely be the death of Yahiko. We'll probably see them fighting against Hanzou's forces a little until they face Hanzou himself. Hanzou would then pwn the 3 kids(now young adults). It'll end with a dead Yahiko in Nagato's arms with Nagato screaming.
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Here's my prediction.

(Still flashback)

Nagato- Soon after the battle between Hanzo and the Sannin had ended, we followed them back to a nearby town, where we asked them for food.
Nagato, Yahiko and Konan are shown meeting the Sannin.
Nagato- Yahiko then asked them for training in Ninjutsu, and although Orochimaru and Tsunade were less than adamant about helping us, Jiraiya-sama agreed to teach us.
The three orphans are shown training with Jiraiya and then Nagato is shown with Jiraiya after he had killed the Rock-Nin.
Nagato- Jiraiya was my greatest teacher; he not only taught me Ninjutsu but he taught about the ways of the real world. Through his words I learned the nature of pain, and how it could be used to save the world.
Jiraiya is shown leaving the orphans with Nagato looking on.
Nagato- It was then, after he left us, that we knew what we had to do.
Hanzo is shown on a balcony overlooking Amegakure.
Nagato- Hanzou, the warlord of Amegakure and the source of all our misery and suffering; we realized that only through his death could we possibly end this cycle of war and chaos.
The orphans are shown with a small group of Rain-nin surrounding them.
Nagato- So we organized a resistance against Hanzo's leadership; we gathered the scattered remains of previous factions in an effort to destroy his grip on the village. But we were too few; we didn't have the weapons, jutsu or numbers to overthrow Hanzo and our hope of an insurrection seemed hollow.
The four orphans are shown on the outskirts of Amegakure, a figure in a Kage robe approaches them.
Nagato- Or at least it did until we received help from the most unlikely of places.
The figure is shown; it is the Mizukage, but the cloth from the head peace conceals his face and reveals only one of his eyes (Madara).
Nagato- The Mizukage at the time, for reasons I was not aware of at the time, saw opportunity in out struggle and secretly provided our faction with weapons, Shinobi and finances that would finally allow us to unleash our insurrection.
Amegakure is shown; it's now in chaos, with Yahiko and Konan leading the resistance against Hanzo's troops.
Nagato- On that day, we battled tooth and nail against Hanzo's regime, crushing all resistance with our might.
Nagato is shown walking through a hallway towards a massive door.
Nagato- I ascended to the tallest tower in Amegakure and prepared to face Hanzo myself.
Nagato opens the massive door; opens up to a huge room, where Hanzo stands out on a balcony with his back turned.
Hanzo- I've heard rumors about you; you are the leader of the resistance, the source of all my troubles.
Nagato walks forward.
Hanzo- Some of them even call you a god, but most I've heard just call you Pein; is that true?
Nagato (Flashback)- Yes.
Hanzo- Have you come to kill me?
Nagato (Flashback)- I have.
Hanzo sighs.
Hanzo- Very well then.
Hanzo puts on his breathing apparatus; suddenly, a massive Salamander breaks up through the floor. Nagato jumps back, and watches as Hanzo leaps on to the Salamander and takes a battle stance.
Hanzo- TO ARMS PEIN!

Next Chapter- The fall of Hanzo
Nice prediction and seems possible to me though I really doubt that we will see this in the next chapter. I would say 3-5 pages were The Sannins fight Hanzou 1-2 pages about the meeting of the sannins and Nagatos group and the remaining with Jiraya training them, all sometimes interupted from a panel with Nagato and Naruto. The last 2 pages may show them growing up and with the end of "next issue Fall of Hanzou/Yahikos death. Oh before I forget I would say good chances of becoming fake spoiler.
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this is what i think nagato's greatest pain is.

Nagato came back after a mission to find food for the 3 of them, it is his turn to do so tonight. It has been sometime since they've left the guidance and care of Jiraiya sensei. 3 years has passed since then, they are already adolecents. Yahiko grew up to be a big man. and strong too, just what his stature implies. Konan has grew to be a very beautiful woman, with skin so soft. breasts so supple, and and a body that's made of pure awesome. Just thinking of her makes Nagato drool. He realizes this and immediately wiped the drool off his chin. "Have to get back, they might be already hungry", he thought to himself.
As he nears their campsite, he notices something amiss. there are no sentries. how careless could these 2 get he thought. suddenly nagato panicked,realizing something might have happened to his friends. he rushed forward and upon nearing the campfire,heard Konan's exhilarated moans. He decided to peep inside.
Yahiko and Konan are making hot love inside one of those paper tents Konan built herself using her paper jutsu. Nagato was shocked to see that. He didn't expect this to happen. "Is this what they are doing behind my back everytime i'm off to find food?". He cant move, nagato was paralyzed at the vision he is seeing. An angel and a God sharing the dark. His jealousy turns into something else. Eagerness. Nagato continued to watch them. But anger still welled inside him. He wants Konan, badly. But Konan is more interested in Yahiko. Maybe because of Yahiko's hair? Maybe because of the pull of Yahiko's jutsu? He's unsure. But Nagato is quite sure that this would be the only chance he will get to see Konan's naked body. He played with himself. so hard that his legs were paralyzed. so hard that he realized he was already slumped on the hard ground. So hard he cannot feel his legs anymore and he couldn't stand up. upon realizing what has happened to him, there came another shocked. Yahiko gave a satisfied sigh, a grunt and then fell down dead. Konan was terrified. She screamed like a kitten and then ran out of the paper tent thinking she has killed yahiko. at the side of the entrance, she saw Nagato lying on the ground, holding his "kunai" and then shouted once more. Shock and embarassment was nagato's emotions right then. Without any handseals, Konan used her jutsu to cover up Nagato with tissue paper, almost choking him to death and rendering him in a coma for over 3 days.
When he came to his senses after the 3rd day, Yahiko is already 6 feet down under. Konan always avert her eyes. He was all filled with fail. His pain grew. he realized this has been far the most painful thing he experienced. the loss of a friend to a woman he idolizes and thinks of everytime he is inside the CR. he decided to get revenge, but how? He cannot walk, so he decided to crawl, dug a hole and got Yahiko's body. decided to use it. so he can spend the night with the angel Konan, using the first pain path he has aqcuired, the God Path Yahiko.
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this is what i think nagato's greatest pain is.

Nagato came back after a mission to find food for the 3 of them, it is his turn to do so tonight. It has been sometime since they've left the guidance and care of Jiraiya sensei. 3 years has passed since then, they are already adolecents. Yahiko grew up to be a big man. and strong too, just what his stature implies. Konan has grew to be a very beautiful woman, with skin so soft. breasts so supple, and and a body that's made of pure awesome. Just thinking of her makes Nagato drool. He realizes this and immediately wiped the drool off his chin. "Have to get back, they might be already hungry", he thought to himself.
As he nears their campsite, he notices something amiss. there are no sentries. how careless could these 2 get he thought. suddenly nagato panicked,realizing something might have happened to his friends. he rushed forward and upon nearing the campfire,heard Konan's exhilarated moans. He decided to peep inside.
Yahiko and Konan are making hot love inside one of those paper tents Konan built herself using her paper jutsu. Nagato was shocked to see that. He didn't expect this to happen. "Is this what they are doing behind my back everytime i'm off to find food?". He cant move, nagato was paralyzed at the vision he is seeing. An angel and a God sharing the dark. His jealousy turns into something else. Eagerness. Nagato continued to watch them. But anger still welled inside him. He wants Konan, badly. But Konan is more interested in Yahiko. Maybe because of Yahiko's hair? Maybe because of the pull of Yahiko's jutsu? He's unsure. But Nagato is quite sure that this would be the only chance he will get to see Konan's naked body. He played with himself. so hard that his legs were paralyzed. so hard that he realized he was already slumped on the hard ground. So hard he cannot feel his legs anymore and he couldn't stand up. upon realizing what has happened to him, there came another shocked. Yahiko gave a satisfied sigh, a grunt and then fell down dead. Konan was terrified. She screamed like a kitten and then ran out of the paper tent thinking she has killed yahiko. at the side of the entrance, she saw Nagato lying on the ground, holding his "kunai" and then shouted once more. Shock and embarassment was nagato's emotions right then. Without any handseals, Konan used her jutsu to cover up Nagato with tissue paper, almost choking him to death and rendering him in a coma for over 3 days.
When he came to his senses after the 3rd day, Yahiko is already 6 feet down under. Konan always avert her eyes. He was all filled with fail. His pain grew. he realized this has been far the most painful thing he experienced. the loss of a friend to a woman he idolizes and thinks of everytime he is inside the CR. he decided to get revenge, but how? He cannot walk, so he decided to crawl, dug a hole and got Yahiko's body. decided to use it. so he can spend the night with the angel Konan, using the first pain path he has aqcuired, the God Path Yahiko.
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Nagato came back after a mission to find food for the 3 of them, it is his turn to do so tonight. It has been sometime since they've left the guidance and care of Jiraiya sensei. 3 years has passed since then, they are already adolecents. Yahiko grew up to be a big man. and strong too, just what his stature implies. Konan has grew to be a very beautiful woman, with skin so soft. breasts so supple, and and a body that's made of pure awesome. Just thinking of her makes Nagato drool. He realizes this and immediately wiped the drool off his chin. "Have to get back, they might be already hungry", he thought to himself.
As he nears their campsite, he notices something amiss. there are no sentries. how careless could these 2 get he thought. suddenly nagato panicked,realizing something might have happened to his friends. he rushed forward and upon nearing the campfire,heard Konan's exhilarated moans. He decided to peep inside.
Yahiko and Konan are making hot love inside one of those paper tents Konan built herself using her paper jutsu. Nagato was shocked to see that. He didn't expect this to happen. "Is this what they are doing behind my back everytime i'm off to find food?". He cant move, nagato was paralyzed at the vision he is seeing. An angel and a God sharing the dark. His jealousy turns into something else. Eagerness. Nagato continued to watch them. But anger still welled inside him. He wants Konan, badly. But Konan is more interested in Yahiko. Maybe because of Yahiko's hair? Maybe because of the pull of Yahiko's jutsu? He's unsure. But Nagato is quite sure that this would be the only chance he will get to see Konan's naked body. He played with himself. so hard that his legs were paralyzed. so hard that he realized he was already slumped on the hard ground. So hard he cannot feel his legs anymore and he couldn't stand up. upon realizing what has happened to him, there came another shocked. Yahiko gave a satisfied sigh, a grunt and then fell down dead. Konan was terrified. She screamed like a kitten and then ran out of the paper tent thinking she has killed yahiko. at the side of the entrance, she saw Nagato lying on the ground, holding his "kunai" and then shouted once more. Shock and embarassment was nagato's emotions right then. Without any handseals, Konan used her jutsu to cover up Nagato with tissue paper, almost choking him to death and rendering him in a coma for over 3 days.
When he came to his senses after the 3rd day, Yahiko is already 6 feet down under. Konan always avert her eyes. He was all filled with fail. His pain grew. he realized this has been far the most painful thing he experienced. the loss of a friend to a woman he idolizes and thinks of everytime he is inside the CR. he decided to get revenge, but how? He cannot walk, so he decided to crawl, dug a hole and got Yahiko's body. decided to use it. so he can spend the night with the angel Konan, using the first pain path he has aqcuired, the God Path Yahiko.

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Re: Naruto 446 Prediction/Spoiler Discussion

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Pretty sure he was formerly, not currently.

i have to disagree with this until further proof in the manga.

http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/ch...4/page002.html

on this page, kisame gives respect to Tobi as the Mizukage-sama.

there is no other mention in the manga about the mizukage. and it is so convenient to mention Mizukage, before the RAIKAGE was then introduced during Hawk's mission.

then Raikage mentions that they will hold the KAGE SUMMIT.

hmmm... i think kisame means the present Mizukage IMO.
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Re: Naruto 446 Prediction/Spoiler Discussion

Um, do we even get 446 this week? Didn't Kakashi87 or someone tell us that it won't be released because of Golden Week?
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