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Old 05-16-2009, 07:16 PM   #46
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not unless they have x ray vision and can see from the ground up.. n even then there's no way for them to stop him all he has to do is miss a hit n he'll floor u.. they may be able to find an answer for naruto but they can't do jack shit about nature energy delivering blows for naruto.
Well for one naruto should no longer be able to go into SM because hes done his three KBs and a PNJ SM here as well. So, base naruto vs root means naruto is going to lose. But if by some PNJ way naruto can now go into SM at will, he could beat root. However again, if root had a spy watching the fight and gathered all the battle data on SM naruto, took it to danzou and danzou made a strategy to combat such a opponent then naruto could be in trouble.

Like if danzou sent his strongest genjutsu users after naruto to attack him simoutainiously then naruto is boned.
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Old 05-16-2009, 07:26 PM   #47
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Re: Naruto 448 Spoiler/ Prediction Discussion

Sigh, you do realize Naruto only needs a few seconds to slip into SM. Its been canon since 435.

You assume too much. None of the things you posted above have even a remote chance of happening. Naruto will summon Bahamut and Mega flare the paper tree before Root magically comes up with all these counters.

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Re: Naruto 448 Spoiler/ Prediction Discussion

For the billionth time, the all you need is about 5 seconds of staying still to enter Sage Mode, the only reason he didn't do that during the battle with Pain is because he could have been captured with ease then.... SERIOUSLY. I don't see how this power-up is so "hard" to understand...
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Sigh, you do realize Naruto only needs a few seconds to slip into SM. Its been canon since 435.

You assume too much. None of the things you posted above have even a remote chance of happening. Naruto will summon Bahamut and Mega flare the paper tree before Root magically comes up with all these counters.
I suppose sasuke can summon boss summons and then some even when hes out of chakra too. No! Well, my point is narutos not supposed to be able to be in SM without first having a KB realease the sage chakra its gathered and even then naruto has a limited amout of time in SM.

However, naruto can stand still and gather NE putting him in SM, but naurot cant move and gather NE to keep him in SM like when he fought pain. So, I guess it understandable naruto can go into SM for a very shory period of time after stoping and gathering NE for a couple seconds.

And if root does attack naruto with info on his abilities then narutos in big trouble because hes out of KBs and will have to fight in base form which isnt enough to beat root.
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Re: Naruto 448 Spoiler/ Prediction Discussion

Can I just ask..............why do so many people sit here and argue about what would happen if such and such character fought or what such and such character would/could do to such and such other character..........why certain techniques would work against people and why they wouldn't................have so many people really not figured out that it is a story, written by an individual............so anything can happen, anyone can beat anyone and any technique can and cannot work against anyone...................the only factor that goes into whether any character/characters can beat any others is if it fits the story line................as an example(and there are tons and tons more just like this but........) why would it/should it have been possible for Konohamaru to take out one of Pain's bodies yet an entire village full of ninja's who should be much stronger couldn't repeat that same feat on any of the other bodies? .......................and why is that.............and please don't offer an explanation because there really isn't one.........other than it fit what the author was trying to write in his story...............so really, all the arguing about what these characters can do and how powerful they are is all moot..............they can all be beat killed at anytime and by anyone.............it just depends on what the story line is.
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Re: Naruto 448 Spoiler/ Prediction Discussion

Kyf naruto doesn't need bushinn to use sage mode where did u get that from.. he uses them instead of taking time to go into sage mode should his sage mode run out.. its like an automatic refill without wasting even a second of bein still..

He can easily go into sm himself without clones he's done it a bunch of times EVEN BEFORE THE FIGHT..

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Well for one naruto should no longer be able to go into SM because hes done his three KBs and a PNJ SM here as well. So, base naruto vs root means naruto is going to lose. But if by some PNJ way naruto can now go into SM at will, he could beat root. However again, if root had a spy watching the fight and gathered all the battle data on SM naruto, took it to danzou and danzou made a strategy to combat such a opponent then naruto could be in trouble.

Like if danzou sent his strongest genjutsu users after naruto to attack him simoutainiously then naruto is boned.
You are assuming that Naruto hasn't any more normal chakra and it's just not true. As we all know Naruto has a massive amount of normal chakra not to mention he seems to be able to access at least a small amount of the Kyuubi's chakra while in Sage mode, this being said he has used serious amount during his fight with Pein. However this was mostly Sage chakra and while battling Hungry Pein it was mostly Natural Energy. Naruto's ability to go into Sage doesn't really have anything to do with how many KB he makes or how many times he has gone into Sage mode, it just has to do with how much normal chakra he has left and the ability to be still and absorb Natural Energy. One thing I think most are forgetting is that during Nagato's story time, other than talking a few times he has just been standing there. This gives him the perfect opportunity to absorb Natural Energy and create Sage chakra.
As far as genjutsu users, unless they are a powerful as Itachi it is doubtful they would succeed. Jiraiya taught Naruto a way to get out of one and with his Sage mode power up there is no reason he shouldn't be able to shatter it completely. I think that if he had had Sage mode during the Gaara retrieval ark when he fought Itachi, he would have shattered it then as well.
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Can I just ask..............why do so many people sit here and argue about what would happen if such and such character fought or what such and such character would/could do to such and such other character..........why certain techniques would work against people and why they wouldn't................have so many people really not figured out that it is a story, written by an individual............so anything can happen, anyone can beat anyone and any technique can and cannot work against anyone...................
If it bothers you so much, why continue to post on this site? People like to speculate because it's fun, and it helps pass the time between issues. It's also a good way to extract more from the manga than what is merely at face value. This isn't a difficult concept to grasp.
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even then naruto has a limited amout of time in SM.

However, naruto can stand still and gather NE putting him in SM, but naurot cant move and gather NE to keep him in SM like when he fought pain. So, I guess it understandable naruto can go into SM for a very shory period of time after stoping and gathering NE for a couple seconds.
Sorry but Naruto's ability to stay in Sage mode is not time dependent it is chakra dependent. He can theoretically stay in Sage mode indefinitely as long as he is supplied with Sage chakra. This is what Ma and Pa toads where trying to accomplish when they fused with Jiraiya and what Pa toad was trying to do when he tried unsuccessfully to fuse with Naruto.
As far as anyone knows Naruto could have stationed 2 KB outside the tree house to gather NE, waiting for the original Naruto to release one of them.
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Can I just ask..............why do so many people sit here and argue about what would happen if such and such character fought or what such and such character would/could do to such and such other character..........why certain techniques would work against people and why they wouldn't................have so many people really not figured out that it is a story, written by an individual............so anything can happen, anyone can beat anyone and any technique can and cannot work against anyone...................the only factor that goes into whether any character/characters can beat any others is if it fits the story line................as an example(and there are tons and tons more just like this but........) why would it/should it have been possible for Konohamaru to take out one of Pain's bodies yet an entire village full of ninja's who should be much stronger couldn't repeat that same feat on any of the other bodies? .......................and why is that.............and please don't offer an explanation because there really isn't one.........other than it fit what the author was trying to write in his story...............so really, all the arguing about what these characters can do and how powerful they are is all moot..............they can all be beat killed at anytime and by anyone.............it just depends on what the story line is.
What are you doing on this forum ?? This is a place to debate to such topics and you clearly shouldn't be here if you think like that...
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base naruto's chakra after sm is unmatched cept maybe for pain..this guy lasted n can still fight then again fukasaku did say once naruto masteres it he'll have more chakra.. that and kakashi said when u train ur chakra gets bigger well narutos been training for the whole part 2 mostly.
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base naruto's chakra after sm is unmatched cept maybe for pain..this guy lasted n can still fight then again fukasaku did say once naruto masteres it he'll have more chakra.. that and kakashi said when u train ur chakra gets bigger well narutos been training for the whole part 2 mostly.
Im really beginning to wonder if any of the aftermath predictions come true in the actual manga...
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Im really beginning to wonder if any of the aftermath predictions come true in the actual manga...
they prob do that would explain naruto's amazing chakra now he's always had a lot but it grew even more....
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Can I just ask..............why do so many people sit here and argue about what would happen if such and such character fought or what such and such character would/could do to such and such other character..........why certain techniques would work against people and why they wouldn't................have so many people really not figured out that it is a story, written by an individual............so anything can happen, anyone can beat anyone and any technique can and cannot work against anyone...................the only factor that goes into whether any character/characters can beat any others is if it fits the story line................as an example(and there are tons and tons more just like this but........) why would it/should it have been possible for Konohamaru to take out one of Pain's bodies yet an entire village full of ninja's who should be much stronger couldn't repeat that same feat on any of the other bodies? .......................and why is that.............and please don't offer an explanation because there really isn't one.........other than it fit what the author was trying to write in his story...............so really, all the arguing about what these characters can do and how powerful they are is all moot..............they can all be beat killed at anytime and by anyone.............it just depends on what the story line is.
Simple. It defeats the purpose of having a forum of people who would like to speculate and debate about characters in the manga. By the way. Most of us know this.

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base naruto's chakra after sm is unmatched cept maybe for pain..this guy lasted n can still fight then again fukasaku did say once naruto masteres it he'll have more chakra.. that and kakashi said when u train ur chakra gets bigger well narutos been training for the whole part 2 mostly.
Kakashi needs to take his own advice for once.

This battle against the six paths is the outcome of Naruto's training. Since Akatsuki was on the move he had no choice but to train. Thats why we gotten an arc of Sasuke. After this battle i'm pretty sure Kishi will neutralize Naruto to develop Sakura by having Tsuande killed since he has this belief of making Sakura mature into a woman.

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Re: Naruto 448 Spoiler/ Prediction Discussion

^ I don't think Tsunade will be killed for a long while simply because IF Kakashi's dead, there's no one to take the mantle even in the interim and I also think that Tsunade is MEANT to give her office to Naruto. Her bond with Naruto is very much like a mother-figure or as a grandmother, it's not as "to the point" as most official relationships are.

Having said that, I could see Danzo killing a weakened Tsunade, in Kishi's mind, to mature Sakura as you said. While this isn't likely, I didn't think Kakashi would be in a position to be axed as a major character as well!
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