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Old 05-18-2009, 12:02 AM   #121
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The same can be said about Tenten. For all we know she can stomp Madara with a nerf bat, see how easy it is to speculate ?

Canon is canon, thats how manga works.
no, thats just rediculous, lol. The fact is neji was already able to beat a jounin when he was a genin "spider guy". So, even as a genin he was already capable of performing at a jounin level. So, just add three years of training to that and gauge his strengths. not say neji was caught by a jutsu that wouldve caught even sasuke or SM naruto so Nejis weak.

^which is why I keep saying the only way to gauge a fighter accurately is if he/she has a one on one fight against a stronger opponent. Then we can say how strong neji really is, no assumtions by what happened in his last fight with a team.
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Even imaginary universes have rules and realities, though they may be fictitious. For example, if I said, Darth Maul molested 3 year-old Ewoks on Endor, you'd say "Darth Maul hasn't even been on Endor!" The same rule applies here, if it doesn't happen in the manga, it is speculation and is thus garbage.

Most storys are imaginary btw.
So u too cannot see that a kekkegenkai wielding genius prodigy ninja on his own, last seen training with his uncle, Lord of hyuugas on a genin level, now on a jounin level would have improved a hell of a lot just because we have not seen his skills since then? It's a well based assumption. If u said that Darth Maul shit and tried to apply it to this debate i would call u an idiot.
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no, thats just rediculous, lol. The fact is neji was already able to beat a jounin when he was a genin "spider guy". So, even as a genin he was already capable of performing at a jounin level. So, just add three years of training to that and gauge his strengths. not say neji was caught by a jutsu that wouldve caught even sasuke or SM naruto so Nejis weak.

^which is why I keep saying the only way to gauge a fighter accurately is if he/she has a one on one fight against a stronger opponent. Then we can say how strong neji really is, no assumtions by what happened in his last fight with a team.
They weren't Jonin, they were Chuunin, that's why they had to use their CS to defeat the Konoha Jonin they met.

Neji hasn't done anything except being trapped by a Kisame clone with 30% chakra capacity, that really doesn't say much for his growth. Don't get me wrong, I am sure he's a medium to high level Jonin, but he might as well sit in the corner and get some apple juice from his sippy cup, because Naruto and Sasuke are the big boys.
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So u too cannot see that a kekkegenkai wielding genius prodigy ninja on his own, last seen training with his uncle, Lord of hyuugas on a genin level, now on a jounin level would have improved a hell of a lot just because we have not seen his skills since then? It's a well based assumption. If u said that Darth Maul shit and tried to apply it to this debate i would call u an idiot.
Hyuugas are too hyped up, do tell me which Hokage was of that clan?? Oh right, none of them were, but 3 were of the Senju Clan and 1 was Naruto's father.

Would??? Let's not play on the slippery slope. He has shown NO real improvement from the manga, if you disagree please find some evidence and present it. Well, after you think your beliefs > evidence, I am not sure how I could appear to be one. We've been desensitized with some of the idiotic things people post here.
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No, im just using your criteria.

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The fact is neji was already able to beat a jounin when he was a genin "spider guy". So, even as a genin he was already capable of performing at a jounin level.
Chouji beat the fat sound guy, i guess that also means he can perfom at a jounin level. Not all Jounin are equal in power, the gap between Kakashi and the other leaf jounin proves that.

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So, just add three years of training to that and gauge his strengths.
The strenght to be caught by the jutsu of a clone, of another clone.

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^which is why I keep saying the only way to gauge a fighter accurately is if he/she has a one on one fight against a stronger opponent. Then we can say how strong neji really is, no assumtions by what happened in his last fight with a team.
Neji is a side character, the only plausible fight left for him would most likely be a rematch with Kisame, fully powered along with the rest of his team.
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Hyuugas are too hyped up, do tell me which Hokage was of that clan?? Oh right, none of them were, but 3 were of the Senju Clan and 1 was Naruto's father.

Would??? Let's not play on the slippery slope. He has shown NO real improvement from the manga, if you disagree please find some evidence and present it. Well, after you think your beliefs > evidence, I am not sure how I could appear to be one. We've been desensitized with some of the idiotic things people post here.
Now u gotta be hokage to be from a great clan or be capable of great things? Poor Uchihas

there's no pint in u talking to me anymore either

Cloud village went out of their way to get a hold of Byakugan. They were even willing to risk war with Konoha, when uchiha were still alive, just to get a hold of a Hyuuga. Daaamb Byakugan
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Wha?? Well, not necessarily, but if you want to throw out titles, Hyuuga Lord, really doesn't mean that much. It's a noble title, a hereditary station, talent has nothing to do with it -- the Lord may have skill but it's not pre-requisite as it is when one is Hokage or even a Jounin.

The Uchihas didn't really do too many great things... they almost caused another world war and their first clan leader is a psychotic immortal...
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They weren't Jonin, they were Chuunin, that's why they had to use their CS to defeat the Konoha Jonin they met.

Neji hasn't done anything except being trapped by a Kisame clone with 30% chakra capacity, that really doesn't say much for his growth. Don't get me wrong, I am sure he's a medium to high level Jonin, but he might as well sit in the corner and get some apple juice from his sippy cup, because Naruto and Sasuke are the big boys.
Chunnin? Lol, Kidomaru wasnt no damn chunin! He was a super powered long range attacking shikmaru, lol. Naruto and shika were already chunin level, but they couldnt do anything to stop kidomaru. Trust me, kidomaru was jounin level.

So, nejis last chance at a fight was caught in a water prison. But again no one mentions he broke out which even kakashi "low kage level" couldnt do.

By your logic, if the manga would have stopped where naruto was BTed and choke slammed, skewered to the ground then naruto wouldnt be that strong because thats as good as naruto is, right.

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No, im just using your criteria.



Chouji beat the fat sound guy, i guess that also means he can perfom at a jounin level. Not all Jounin are equal in power, the gap between Kakashi and the other leaf jounin proves that.



The strenght to be caught by the jutsu of a clone, of another clone.



Neji is a side character, the only plausible fight left for him would most likely be a rematch with Kisame, fully powered along with the rest of his team.
Lol, chouji needed super akamichi food pills just to beat the weakest member. Meanwhile, neji needed nothing but his own skills.

And naruto got his ass kicked by a dead body, lol. See, I can do it too.

IDK who neji fights as long as hes strong and its one on one.
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Chunnin? Lol, Kidomaru wasnt no damn chunin! He was a super powered long range attacking shikmaru, lol. Naruto and shika were already chunin level, but they couldnt do anything to stop kidomaru. Trust me, kidomaru was jounin level.

So, nejis last chance at a fight was caught in a water prison. But again no one mentions he broke out which even kakashi "low kage level" couldnt do.

By your logic, if the manga would have stopped where naruto was BTed and choke slammed, skewered to the ground then naruto wouldnt be that strong because thats as good as naruto is, right.
I was talking about the Sound Four, not him.

Kakashi was facing one of the strongest shinobi from the Hidden Rain, while Neji was captured by a sacrificial clone's water clone. Ouch. Jounin indeed...

Well, I am one of those crazy people who accept the events that creators have chosen. I know that's weird of me, but I guess we are all wacky somehow.
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I recall neji kicking naruto ass with that trash called gentle fist, then telling the proctor to stop the match instead of delivering the final blow. Which gave naruto time to gather that kyuubi juice which still wasnt enough to beat neji. Naruto had to set a trap and ambush neji to finally beat him. Lol, gental fist sucks.

In the fight with pain naruto proved hes not a strategist. Naruto used so many things to take out just one realm even after the slug warned him about devas powers. now I admit naruto has his moment when he can come up with some one move ahead plans, but hes not a strategist.

Strategist think then fight. "Fist out think your opponent then out maneuver him". Naruto attacks with amazing power and only thinks whne he cant just overwhelm his opponent. Thats not a strategist Myth.

Yes naruto can throw six FRS, but can he land one? Neji has X-ray vision so smoke wont conceal anything and I doubt narutos going to be manifesting clones again without any smoke.

Anyways, Im not going to sit here and say Neji can beat naruto. However, Neji only needs to land one attack to a vital organ. So, wether hes fighting naruto, KB, sasuke, kakashi ect. They too will be put on their ass and in big trouble.
Neji can kill anyone with 1 hit theoretically speaking, but in manga reality he can't hit no one...

Just like rasengan or chidori can kill u as well but u'd have to land it first, difference is naruto and sasuek land their shit while neji flops..

Btw neji never beat a jounin in his life the spider guy wasn't a jounin it was never said what he was but the data book states he was chunnin level.... Big whopp he beat a spider freak naruto = sasuke vote fight sasuke>sound 4
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Re: Naruto 448 Spoiler/ Prediction Discussion

Come on, its like some people here have never read a manga before Naruto. Canon is Canon, and it gets updates as the story goes along. But the side characters will always be weaker than the main characters by a large margin, specially in shonen.

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But again no one mentions he broke out which even kakashi "low kage level" couldnt do.
That was kakashi over 400 chapters ago, current Kakashi shits all over Neji or any Hyuga. See, Kakashi is an important character, not some side fodder so it was only natural and expected for him to gain significant power ups.

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Kidomaru wasnt no damn chunin! He was a super powered long range attacking shikmaru, lol. Naruto and shika were already chunin level, but they couldnt do anything to stop kidomaru. Trust me, kidomaru was jounin level.
This is agree with. Kidomaru died to plot Aids unfortunetely, which leads people to fap over him a bit. Not talking about you KYF.
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Wha?? Well, not necessarily, but if you want to throw out titles, Hyuuga Lord, really doesn't mean that much. It's a noble title, a hereditary station, talent has nothing to do with it -- the Lord may have skill but it's not pre-requisite as it is when one is Hokage or even a Jounin.

The Uchihas didn't really do too many great things... they almost caused another world war and their first clan leader is a psychotic immortal...
Hyuuga Lord is likely the family with the strongest Byakugan genes in them. talent has everything to do with it as Hinata will show someday as "Princess." There i go assuming again.

Not u playahate Uchiha's? they were the only match in the world for the great Senju. What does a well known great Uchiha clan having to do anything great have to do with what we were talking about?
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Hate to break this to you, but the DB already places Neji as the strongest Hyuga in the clan.
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Neji can kill anyone with 1 hit theoretically speaking, but in manga reality he can't hit no one...

Just like rasengan or chidori can kill u as well but u'd have to land it first, difference is naruto and sasuek land their shit while neji flops..

Btw neji never beat a jounin in his life the spider guy wasn't a jounin it was never said what he was but the data book states he was chunnin level.... Big whopp he beat a spider freak naruto = sasuke vote fight sasuke>sound 4
Neji hit everyone he fought so whats your point? Sasuke and naruto get to fight more so nejis weak, lmao?

Kidomaru chumped the ambu black ops when Oro was getting away. He chumped naruto as well so whats your point?
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