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Old 06-30-2009, 11:11 PM   #106
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Re: Predictions and spoiler discussins for chapter 454

Logically speaking Kisame's blade should have no effect on Naruto's manipulation of NE.

NE is present every where so in theory Samehada should be taking in massive amounts on NE by simply being passive or in use.

It goes to show that only Sages can see/use or are even aware of NE.
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Well he's not immune to physical attacks, its just that Sage Mode activates his body in as many was as possible, this means his phyiscal state can take a lot more damage than his usual body however, that does not mean he can't be hurt. Nothing was stated about Naruto being unable to be harmed.

Remember Jiraiya got his arm blown off while in Sage Mode. It just takes a lot more physical abuse to harm a Sage.

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Old 06-30-2009, 11:36 PM   #108
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Logically speaking Kisame's blade should have no effect on Naruto's manipulation of NE.

NE is present every where so in theory Samehada should be taking in massive amounts on NE by simply being passive or in use.

It goes to show that only Sages can see/use or are even aware of NE.
Hmm, I guess. However, I'm unsure of the mechanism behinds Kisame's sword. Does it sever to only disrubt and absorb chakra, or could the same concept be applied to defending against ninjutsu based attacks?

But I'm sure some shinobi can become aware of natural energy if they're hit by it. For example, if Gaara has his sand shield up (manually of course) even if Naruto misses a few times, the imprints left on the sand would show that its there.

I'm sure in concentrated amounts, a thurst of natural energy against perceptive defenses can make natural energy present to them. They probably can't see it or feel it, but the evidence it leaves behind is apparant when it is used against them.

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Re: Predictions and spoiler discussins for chapter 454

I'm not sure either, but I think Kisame's sword absorbs chackra only from hosts, not from the environment...
does it absorb chackra all the time or only when kisame wants?

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By awareness i mean they don't know it exists or that it can be harnested as a fighting tool.

The Fact that the Rinegan couldn't see it is enough proof that the Byakugan and SG can't see it as well.

If they could, every time someone activated their dojutsu they would be seeing NE floating around.

So unless you happen to be a Sage you can't know NE is there.
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Well he's not immune to physical attacks, its just that Sage Mode activates his body in as many was as possible, this means his phyiscal state can take a lot more damage than his usual body however, that does not mean he can't be hurt. Nothing was stated about Naruto being unable to be harmed.

Remember Jiraiya got his arm blown off while in Sage Mode. It just takes a lot more physical abuse to harm a Sage.

edit: Stop reading my mind Toad Sage.lol
your right about jiraiya, i mistated my point (exaggerated my point). it is true that jiraiya's arm was blown off by lazer head pain in that tunnel (from behind), and again i exaggerated my point, but i still maintain the point that when it comes to a sword like samheda (sorry for spelling), it wont inflict damage. i base this opinion on this chapter (see lower left panel)
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/433/07/

even pains chakra blades which i believe screw up the persons chakra when the person gets pierced by it, it also takes the effect of the swords damage by piercing flesh. but in the above chapter, naruto at that moment was in sage mode, and pains chakra sword (blade) was broken, it did not pierce his flesh or screw with his chakra.
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but i still maintain the point that when it comes to a sword like samheda (sorry for spelling), it wont inflict damage. i base this opinion on this chapter (see lower left panel)
If Naruto's not careful, it probably could harm him. Those chakra recievers are constantly created from Pain's body, they are sharp at the end, but they are thin and pretty flimsy. A physically strong shinobi could probably destroy it. Kisame's beheader is different. It is thicker and has much more mass, Naruto may not be able to break that with ease. I'm under the impression that Naruto rapidly moved his hands in a criss cross motion, based on the lines that were drawn to demonstrate movement. So basically, Naruto destroyed the chakra reciever. I think Naruto blocked the chakra reciever and the proceeded into breaking it.

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even pains chakra blades which i believe screw up the persons chakra when the person gets pierced by it, it also takes the effect of the swords damage by piercing flesh. but in the above chapter, naruto at that moment was in sage mode, and pains chakra sword (blade) was broken, it did not pierce his flesh or screw with his chakra.
Nah, it could pierce Naruto's flesh even in Sage Mode.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/444/04/

Its just that Naruto used the Kyuubi's chakra to disrupt Nagato's chakra.
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your right about jiraiya, i mistated my point (exaggerated my point). it is true that jiraiya's arm was blown off by lazer head pain in that tunnel (from behind), and again i exaggerated my point, but i still maintain the point that when it comes to a sword like samheda (sorry for spelling), it wont inflict damage. i base this opinion on this chapter (see lower left panel)
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/433/07/

even pains chakra blades which i believe screw up the persons chakra when the person gets pierced by it, it also takes the effect of the swords damage by piercing flesh. but in the above chapter, naruto at that moment was in sage mode, and pains chakra sword (blade) was broken, it did not pierce his flesh or screw with his chakra.
look closely, Pain tried to attack with that sword/stick, but naruto broke it, look at the movement of naruto's arms (shown by the lines) one hand goes the opposite direction of the other, forcing the stick to brake apart while blocking pain's attack.

edit: here's an image I made to explain what i'm saying:


In other words, naruto broke it on purpose, it wasn't his sage mode that kept that stick from harming him. This proves it: http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/435/015/
also the link TSO posted proves the same.
Kisame's sword can harm naruto, but he won't feel much pain...

BTW are the 454 pics coming today?
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Old 07-01-2009, 01:59 AM   #114
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for the Pein Piercing naruto with his rod, naruto let him do it on purpose its said so in the manga. just clearing that up.
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i'd say going too far is just plain going too far for naruto. but him being a punching bag is just way beyond that. maybe we are seeing the "be among the good guys" no jutsu in action.
Naruto will probably go into Sage mode so that anything that they do to him wont hurt him. Especially coming from ninja of there level. Would take alot more than them to hurt him in Sage mode. Would have been funny when Naruto returned to the village and he went Sage mode when Sakura hit him, would probably have busted her hand.

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Since i saw some of the spoilers, its to late to do a prediction. but i did like all of the predictions made. i do have a comment on Vengeance's prediction which i hope others may comment on to my question, which is:

if Naruto were to fight Kisame, as Vengeance's prediction lends too, what would happen to Sammehada (kisame's sword) when it absorbs narutos natural energy?

i ask this because of what happened to pain (the one who absorbs chakra), he turned to a stone frog. would kisame's sword turn to stone as well if it absorbs narutos natural energy?

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It is doubtful that his sword can absorb NE because if it were so then the sword would be absorbing it all the time since NE is all around. Probably can absorb Sage chakra but since he can use Frog Katas the sword might not be able to touch him since it's not Sage chakra that surrounds him but NE.
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Old 07-01-2009, 06:30 AM   #116
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Re: Predictions and spoiler discussins for chapter 454

I dunno did any oone post THIS one. hera a bit of spoiler.
Sorry if someone already posted it

454 - Missing Ninja

- At Sunrise in front of the Konoha-crater -
Omoi: Where is that boy? We don't have the time to sit around.
Samui: Why do we even take him with us.
Kamui: It seems he knows that Uchiha asshole very well and is a Jinchuuriki himself. If we don't find Akatsuki, Akatsuki will find us.
*A serious Naruto steps by*
Omoi: It's about time! Now tell us what you know about Akatsuki and that Uchiha brat.
*Naruto trows a book over to Samui*
Naruto: Let's go. We have no time to waste!

-Tsunade's Tent-
Sakura: ...
*Hinata steps by*
Hinata: He left, didn't he?
Sakura:Yes .. It wont be long until Danzou finds out and declares him as Missing Nin as well ... am I right Sai?
*Sai, who was hiding outside the telt comes in*
Sai: I'll give Naruto a few hours ... I'll wait until the Summit is over.
Sakura: Thanks ...

-Tree Jumping Team cloud-
Omoi: Wherefrom do you know the Uchiha?
Naruto: He was my and Sakura's Teammate ...
Karui: That pink haired girl? What is she to him anyway?
Naruto: She loves him and I promised her to bring him back.
Omoi & Karui: ...
Samui (while reading in the Akatsuki Bingo Book): Uzumaki Naruto .. You said you are a Jinchuuriki yourself. Which one?
Naruto: It doesn't matter .. I am trying not to use his power .. everytime I do something terrible happen.
Karui: Pathetic ..
Naruto: What?!!
Omoi: Come on boy! The one how sealed it within you gave it to you in purpose. He wanted you to use it .. and even more he believed you were able to use it right.
Karui: Our Master had struggle himself back when he was your age but he didn't gave up and in the end he was able to use all 8 Tails.
Samui (closes the book): So tell us .. how many tails lies within you?
Naruto: I am the Kyuubi-Jinchuuriki
Cloud: O__O
Omoi: .. interesting.
-Final Page-
Alle 5 kages sit in front of a round table.
Tsuchikage is a woman. Mizukage has a big sword.

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That pic of Naruto getting punched in the face...wtf.
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I predict this chapter will be gay and drag for 5 or so chapters with talking, and sasuke will die or emo-ness and Not having any chapter dedicated to him.

Idk if yiou guys knew but Orignally Naruto was meant to be based around sasuke. Not uchiha sasuke but sasuke. Hmm, weird?
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lol naruto really is letting them punch him around...
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But I'm sure some shinobi can become aware of natural energy if they're hit by it. For example, if Gaara has his sand shield up (manually of course) even if Naruto misses a few times, the imprints left on the sand would show that its there.

I'm sure in concentrated amounts, a thurst of natural energy against perceptive defenses can make natural energy present to them. They probably can't see it or feel it, but the evidence it leaves behind is apparant when it is used against them.
even if they are aware of NE it still wouldnt help them, naruto can go around and scream all about it, u can learn how to take NE from nature only from those sage frogs, even if someone would figure out how to take NE from nature he would only manage to kill himself by turning into stone

and i dont think that gaara would have any chance of defending himself against sage naruto, rasenshuriken would slice throu his sand like it is nothing ^^
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