Rikudou Sennin

Myth, if Shodaime couldn't control the Kyuubi what made it go away after he defeated Madara? Did it dissapear because it was a summon?(I'm not disapproving anything, I'm just curious what you think happend)


He was just holding down the fox but he was fighting at the same time. After I saw the Pic I realised that it's pretty hard to defeat the strongest Uchiha whilst holding down the strongest bijuu. So in a way he was fighting them both.

kluang

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/440/10/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/404/14/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/399/12/

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trondah

OMG at least read the damn thread if you're gonna embarass yourselves I already posted that pic along with all the other PROOF that Shodaime is the greatest. He did defeat Madara using kyuubi as his weapon, nothing that fanboy Myth say can take that away from him lol. Look at him making pathetic excuses like Minato is smarter because he figured out you need a special power to beat Madara lol, Minato is in the belly of death god and his faith in Naruto is a gamble. It was the only thing he could do period. If the first was there, he would have saved the village and Minato's ass.

Oh btw "rasengan > mokuton" that's rich!! You know, every mokuton jutsu the first may have had was his own ORIGINAL. Nobody else had mokuton so it's not like he could learn anything from somebody else. He created _all_ the jutsu he used. Forget about Minato's THREE jutsu, even Konohamaru can use rasengan, the incomplete shape manipulation jutsu.

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Rikudou Sennin

"trondah" Why are you bashing Minato just to prove your point? I get it Shodaime is a great ninja but so is Minato. There really is no comparing the two because they lived in diffrent times. So the idea that Shodaime is better than Minato just because he defeated Madara and the other didn't falls because Madara could have been weaker when he fought Shodaime than when he fought Minato.(This is just a speculation just like your theory)

Edit: How can you possibly know for sure that Mokuton>Rasengan? In my opinion Rasengan is better because of it's effiecieny. Mokuton is mostly a trapping and defensive style even though it can pe used for offense too it's not as efficient as Rasengan because Mokuton style jutsus consume more chakra and require hand seals. Anyway it's pointless to argue my point any further! We're not going to reach common ground on this.

Myth

Shodaime is not the greatest Ninja obviously Kishimoto doesn't think so because he changed his mind.... The link with Madara proves it... Liondemon is the only 1 who is sane enough to bring up the fact "that how could madara know who the greatest truly is".
Also that Link you posted was completely mis translated i already said i can prove it hell the proof is 2 pages after it lol...


edit:rikudo sennin ur right madara was weaker when he fought shodaime newbs soon will learn.

Wolverine

Whats this bullshit about Hashirama is better than Minato ??

If Hashirama was the "bestest"/"greatestest"/"strongestest" shinobi ever, then how come nobody even knew his name until almost 400 chapters ??

I think it is pretty obvious that Minato is considered the "all time best", and not Hashirama.

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Myth

yes that's what kakashi jriaiya sarutobi tsunade anko all seem to imply,, but ya know hardheaded people nd mis translations.....

doesn't matter madara clearly said shodaime was only the best of his own time nuff said. u know whats more sad is that Minato achieved sucha a high level at such a young age nd could still have gotten better had he not died.... if he was alive nobody would ever surpass him.

platinumrug

Okay and? No one knew the fourth's name until about 400 chapters as well, we only knew him as the fourth, just as we only knew the 1st as Shodai and now Hashi. Knowing his name has absolutely nothing to do with it, but the shit doesn't matter, lol. I never once said that shodai was better than Minato, just saying if they were to ever fight it'd be a good fight. It's not going to happen so oh well. Also, just so you don't mis understand what I meant, I meant as in we didn't know the fourth's TRUE real name, we know of the fourth hokage, just not of his real name. And we knew of the first and second hokage from the earliest chapters of naruto and especially the fight they had in the invasion of konoha arc.

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Myth

the first hokage to be introduced in this story was the 4th hokage kishi built the story around him.. the very first chapter... when they talk about the kyuubi attacking etc etc....

Listen bottom line is both are bad ass plain nd simple all the 4 hoakge were kick ass shinobi... just the hype points to minato being better thats all it could by JUST hype but we will know soon im sure...

But Shodai was in no way shape or from the best there ever was Madara stated it himself recently that means recently thats what kishi wanted so he wrote that... not to mention madara knows more then anyone since he's lived through pretty much every hokage era.

kluang

You know what myth, maybe you're right. Maybe 4th is better then the 1st or at least equal in power. ( I'm still home depot hokage fan you know)

But i agree with you.

Madara did live in all hokage era, that means he have 5 generation of time to develop jutsus. Even an idiot can come up with a kick ass jutsu given the time and this is madara we're talking about. The former leader of an emo clan. Given 5 generation of time to develop jutsus. Then control the kyuubi that hashi, who I think watch too many Nat Geo and decide to release it to the wild.

Once again he attack konoha KNOWING, KNOWING that with all Minato justus, he can't control any tailbeast forcing Minato to use death god.

Did Madara win?

Yes Madara win. Cuz Konoha lost Minato and then the Uchihas. He got the last laugh.

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trondah

So it's ok to bash Hashirama, but not Minato? Ok then....

Ok someone isn't paying attention. It's not just about Madara, he might very well have been weaker or stronger than today that's not the point. Kyuubi doesn't even have an age, for him 100 years is nothing. So defeating kyuubi then is the same should be the same as when Minato faced him, right? Not only that, Madara was there controlling it and fighting at the same time. This is the issue here.

I can't of course, it's just a wild assumption made after the fact that Myth claimed "rasengan > mokuton". I'm not sure where you're going with this.

The point is it's been proven Hashirama was hailed as the greatest of all time, and was the pillar of the shinobi world. His accomplishments goes from defeating Madara+kyuubi, having several bijuu under his control, to founding Konoha.

After these facts are put out the greatest fanboy of all time comes out bashing Hashirama with statements like "only the fourth has ever created a jutsu", "hashirama accomplished nothing" etc. I'm just answering these simple remarks with the same coin, it's just for fun. Both hokages were of course amazing, I'm just going by what the manga tells me. Why hail Shodai as the best if Minato is? Doesn't make sense.

One last thing fanboys, Madara has never made a statement on who was the greatest _of all time_. Sorry, come up with something better. Like the proof I gave earlier.

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Myth

Dude he is the pillar of the shinobi world because he was basically the first leader ever remember everyone started to mimic konoah's system because that was the first village ever..

He stopped the wars nd fighting for a good while as well props to him, he loved peace nd hated fighting minato took after his ideology.. I agree with u dude hashirama was the pillar of the shinobi world he basically started the village system nd started to make treaties with ppl to stop the fighting...

Nd he was the greatest shinobi of his time, this was said by a man who knows him better then anyone he's fought against his clan many times nd fought shodai himself, he's lived through every kage era thats why he said what he said he saw the big dogs nd compared him...

Minato was a natural talented once in a decade genius though we know in this manga regular genius ninja are bad ass but his skill nd talent level was on a whole other level from a regular genius.... this guy did so much nd reached such a high level nd yet he was so young even younger then kakashi is now... Minato was entering his prime when he died this guy could have done so much more nd attained such a level that surpassing could not happen....


Both are bad ass in my eyes nobody would stomp anyone(that was me just exaggerating as i've said before) but so far at least till this point everyone seems to hold Minato as the best nd only now is kishi changing his direction by making madara the best.. its expected of course if u really think the guy is as strong as he was before after living 100 years ur mistaken madara is no idiot himself he wouldn't waste all this time nd not develop new abilities.

Im sure the manga will shine the light on which of them truly was the best it will happen for sure, nd we will find out what happened that day when he fought hashirama...

If kishi writes it in now after madara said "shodai was only the strongest of his time" if kishi writes it in that shodaime was without a doubt the best there ever was then thats what it is... but after kishi wrote this already i doubt he'll go a different direction but we'll see..

Also i said rasengan>mokuton because of the destructive power rasengan packs it would def break through it....


edit:http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/ch...8/page019.html madara clearly says and i quote

"Hashirama Senju.............the greatest ninja of his time, nd the only man i ever admired".

trondah

You're like a broken record. Yondaime was the greatest ninja of his time also. So does that mean Tsunade is stronger? And if Yondaime was that strong why didn't Madara admire him? Kishi already wrote in that Hashirama was the strongest ever, he can't just change his mind lol. This is getting stupid, I'm going with what the author of the manga said.

And btw rasengan might break mokuton but destructive power ain't everything. The first restrained the nine tails with it, nuf said.

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moebrown20

The first verses the fourth.
My question is, who killed (he died in battle) the first?
We know how the fourth died.

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Myth

The author said Shodaime was the strongest of his own time not ever.... this was said recently meaning kishi recently wanted it like that..... dnt u see ppl are starting to see it my way anyways.. madara knows more then anyone cause he lived the longest nd lived through every hokage era... Madara doesn't have to admire everyone lmaoo he knew shodaime for a very long time its natural he would admire him nd who knows maybe madara will say he admired the 4th also.. stop jumping the gun let things unfold. u dnt know whats gonna be said in 20 chapters from now lol. nd no minato is hyped to be the best of all the hokage... so we will see though..
Dnt forget shodaime has a jutsu to suppress the kyuubi nd it involves his wood restrain it first.. just look what yamato did.. nd just cause is held it down to some extent doesn't mean it cannot be broken by something with extreme force...

But like i said everything will be revealed in due time..

@moe nobody knows how shodaime died it was speculated before that both him nd his brother perished in the second ninja war.