The 4th Hokage - Page 3

platinumrug · 08-09-2009, 02:37 PM

Truthfully there is no real fucking way to compare these Kage's because we've only seen them on & off screen a couple times defeating enemies here and there and a little history behind both. Respectively, Shodai and Nidai were the strongest (including Madara) of their generation of ninjas. Every generation is "supposed" to be better than the last, and so Hiruzen was obviously stronger than both the 1st and 2nd (in his prime). But we never truly SEE these characters long enough to judge them effectively.

We can judge if Shika can beat Sasuke or vice versa because we've seen what they can do in battle, what their techniques are and how they use them in battles. All that we know and have seen from both the 1st and 2nd is that the 1st used his wood to create the foundation for the hidden leaf and that he fought Madara while Madara had PMS and kyuubi and beat him. We know the 2nd is the strongest suiton user to date since he can create water where there is none apparently. The only true battle we've seen both the 1st, 2nd and 3rd in was there battle against EACH OTHER when Oro used his resurrection jutsu. We don't know if Minato can beat the 1st and 2nd Hokage's, and truthfully it doesn't fucking matter because they're all from the same village.

Truthfully there is no real unbiased way to judge all of these people since they are all from the same village and are the strongest ninjas from their GENERATIONS.

Giffica · 08-09-2009, 02:48 PM

The generation thing is a good point. However, look at grad Ages and such, and you will see that they go higher and higher. Another issue is that You cannot compare the 1st, or 2nd to Minato because they were from differance ERA's or the Ninja world. You can compare 4th and 3rd and oro, but 1st and Second were strong for there time, but their time, EVERYONE was MUCH stronger than in Minato's time. Uchiha were all greater than they are now. They were made soft by the leaf. Madara knew that. Minato was as well. Have Minato grow up in a time where everyone was likely Chunin Rank by the age of 7, and Jonin by 10, and he would = 1st, but the ERA gap is too great.

Myth · 08-09-2009, 03:05 PM

Madara
Minato
the rest.

@Trondah i never said he was the greatest i said he was the best from KONOHA thats all thats was stated, im saying he was HYPED up to be the greatest of all time cept for madara.. nd i never said he's faster then madara they both move at the speed of light but madara doesn't need to rely on tags or kunai... learn to read...

Madara was in his prime yes i won't disagree but he didn't have the same abilities he has now no fuckign way its impossible because if he did then he would have phased through all attacks nd teleported if he saw he was in danger nd shodaime wouldn't do shit.. nd if he had them then that MEANS HE LETTT SHODAIME win on purpose nd i wouldn;t be surprised if thats what is reveled.

Hashirama is nothing before minato, minato accomplished more then hasirama ever did he sealed way the kyuubi hasirama couldn't;t do that , he created kick ass jutsu hashirama created none he was known nd feared by all people were forced to flee on a mere sighting... he was able to move at the speed of light nd without FTG was already king in speed... FYI minato is the only one that knows how to use the death god the right way this was proven recently.. he was the maker of the jutsu after all.

so based off that Minato is already greater then hashirama nd there's also the fact that madara didn't have the balls to face minato 1 on 1.

jefferyl · 08-09-2009, 03:18 PM

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First off, FTG is useless if you cannot get close. Multiple Reverse Summons would bring down his Chakra so freaking fast.

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dude go to naruto wikia or read the manga again about FTG, IT DOESNT NEED CHAKRAAAA!!!

damn the Third almost crapped his pants when orochimaru tried to summon the 4th ( although it wasnt confirmed that it was the 4th, sandaime was worried that it would be the 4th)

i get your point Giffica, Minato is not the strongest and i agree.. but damn give some credit to minato and his FTG. FTG's one of the baddest,tactical and smartest jutsu ever created.

Myth · 08-09-2009, 03:21 PM

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dude go to naruto wikia or read the manga again about FTG, IT DOESNT NEED CHAKRAAAA!!!

damn the Third almost crapped his pants when orochimaru tried to summon the 4th ( although it wasnt confirmed that it was the 4th, sandaime was worried that it would be the 4th)

i get your point Giffica, Minato is not the strongest and i agree.. but damn give some credit to minato and his FTG. FTG's one of the baddest,tactical and smartest jutsu ever created.

the fact that no other kage could move as fast as minato nd didn't create a technique like FTG proves my point that minato was better then them all....

The strongest in this manga was MADARA followed by minato... everything in this manga from day 1 points to this result.

dNT PAY ATTENTION TO gIFFICA HE'S THE BIGGEST MORON ON THIS SITE I'VE NEVER seen a bigger moron nd i;ve seen a lot on this site everyone on this forum after his first visit said he was retarded.

platinumrug · 08-09-2009, 03:27 PM

You do realize that Shodai could control all the Bijuu's (If I'm not mistaken) and who's to say Shodai couldn't do it?? Just because it hasn't been said doesn't mean anything, Shodai was in his prime when he beat Madara with PMS and Kyuubi, how can that not account for anything?? And if Madara let him win he wouldn't even bother saying all those wonderful things about him (at first) and then saying shit about him being defeated, he would be all "I let the fool win to make him think I died" or something along those lines.

I'm not saying Minato isn't amazing because he is fucking incredible but there is no way you can say he would stomp Shodai in a fight, they CANNOT be compared, simple as fucking that.

jefferyl · 08-09-2009, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Myth

the fact that no other kage could move as fast as minato nd didn't create a technique like FTG proves my point that minato was better then them all....

The strongest in this manga was MADARA followed by minato... everything in this manga from day 1 points to this result.

dNT PAY ATTENTION TO gIFFICA HE'S THE BIGGEST MORON ON THIS SITE I'VE NEVER seen a bigger moron nd i;ve seen a lot on this site everyone on this forum after his first visit said he was retarded.

oh yeah minato's hella smart plus thats why he can ceate those types of jutsu, even knows how to summon a damn Death God. a even without FTG hes already fast as is. thats why i said.. madara is only stronger than minato bc hes OLD as fuck. and no matter how strong he is, minato can take away his life with Shiki Fujin. at the cost of his life tho.

Myth · 08-09-2009, 03:48 PM

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You do realize that Shodai could control all the Bijuu's (If I'm not mistaken) and who's to say Shodai couldn't do it??

Because if he could he would have are you listening to yourself right now. If u had a chance to get rid a potential future threat u wouldn't do it LMAOO.. nO HE COULDN'T BECAUSE HE POSSESSED NO SUCH SKILL.

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Just because it hasn't been said doesn't mean anything, Shodai was in his prime when he beat Madara with PMS and Kyuubi, how can that not account for anything??

did the kyuubi die did it get hurt was any of its limbs chopped off no so he didn';t beat the kyuubi he beat madara he obviously used his suppressing power to hold kyuubi at bay.. It does count for something who said it didn't compare sealing the deadliest thing ever by yourself with ur own technique u made or beating a man WHO might have let u win (we dnt know what reeally happened yet) and leaving the most deadliest being out there to roam...

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And if Madara let him win he wouldn't even bother saying all those wonderful things about him (at first) and then saying shit about him being defeated, he would be all "I let the fool win to make him think I died" or something along those lines.

madara loves to lie nd twist stories nd add things to make himself look like the victim who's sto say he didn't plan it out nd let shodaime beat him so he can go hide create an org nd take revenge the way he wants. madara may have been in his prime but he lived 100 years at least he learned new jutsu new things let him have a re match now he would stomp a hole in shodai's face.. I'll say this madara's prime is right now because its this moment were he's at his best kick ass abilities nd looking to get stronger nd still moves like his was when he was young even faster sorry...

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I'm not saying Minato isn't amazing because he is fucking incredible but there is no way you can say he would stomp Shodai in a fight, they CANNOT be compared, simple as fucking that.

U can't beat what u can't hit shodaime has no speed traits if he did it would e commented on. SIMPLE AS THIS nothing thats mentioned of shodaimes would hurt minato or put him in a tough spot...name 1 thing

platinumrug · 08-09-2009, 03:59 PM

For the simple fact that when we've been introduced to these character's, shodai, nidai, yondai, we were only introduced to them for their specific traits or features. NOWHERE IN MY FUCKING SPEECH DID I say anything about Minato not being fucking amazing (I know you didn't say anything about it I'm just stating). But speed isn't everything, yeah Minato can have all the speed in the fucking world but against a battle hardened opponent, especially one being the damn first hokage he's not going to just oh tag him and kill him with some lame ass kunai shit.

Myth · 08-09-2009, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by platinumrug

For the simple fact that when we've been introduced to these character's, shodai, nidai, yondai, we were only introduced to them for their specific traits or features. NOWHERE IN MY FUCKING SPEECH DID I say anything about Minato not being fucking amazing (I know you didn't say anything about it I'm just stating). But speed isn't everything, yeah Minato can have all the speed in the fucking world but against a battle hardened opponent, especially one being the damn first hokage he's not going to just oh tag him and kill him with some lame ass kunai shit.

If it was that lame ur hardened ass wood man would create something like it but he obviously didn't for obvious reasons lack of talent skill etc etc....

Nd he doesn't need a kunai he can tap u on the shoulder with his palm nd from that point on ur done.. if u think minato wouldn't be able to touch shodai at all WOW because thats all it takes 1 touch nd the fights over...

Minato is already a demon in speed even without his FTG his plain sushinn is on a whole other level thats enough... Its like it was stated in the manga u can be all that nd more but if ur body cannot keep up whats the point.

platinumrug · 08-09-2009, 05:02 PM

Who ever said he wouldn't touch Shodai because I sure as hell didn't, the only one here saying someone can't touch someone in a battle is you saying Shodai would get stomped by Minato when that whole conclusion is false as fuck.

No limbs need to get chopped off, that's irrelevant as fuck. The point is is that regardless of what skills Madara possessed from when he fought Shodai to when he "used" the Kyuubi to try and destroy Konoha, SHODAI STILL BEAT MADARA IN HIS PRIME WHILE HE HAD PMS AND KYUUBI. All Minato did was fucking seal half of kyuubi inside his son and inside the death god or where ever the fuck he took it. Minato himself even said Madara saw through everything he did so what is the point of this argument?

Myth · 08-09-2009, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by platinumrug

Who ever said he wouldn't touch Shodai because I sure as hell didn't, the only one here saying someone can't touch someone in a battle is you saying Shodai would get stomped by Minato when that whole conclusion is false as fuck.

If Shodaime gets close to Minato its over for him idk how much more smarter u gotta be to understand a basic concept. Minato touches u ur dead...

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No limbs need to get chopped off, that's irrelevant as fuck. The point is is that regardless of what skills Madara possessed from when he fought Shodai to when he "used" the Kyuubi to try and destroy Konoha, SHODAI STILL BEAT MADARA IN HIS PRIME WHILE HE HAD PMS AND KYUUBI. All Minato did was fucking seal half of kyuubi inside his son and inside the death god or where ever the fuck he took it. Minato himself even said Madara saw through everything he did so what is the point of this argument?

Minato sealed the entire kyuubi the other half isn't floating around anywhere u swearing in ever other word doesn't make ur point valid it just make u look more of a fool... Madara used the kyuubi to destroy Konoha Minato stopped the kyuubi by FULLY sealing it but before he sealed it away he split its chakra in half because the dark chakra would be to much for naruto he though so he only sealed in the light half of the chakra.. THE WHOLE KYUUBI is in naruto he just picked apart the dark half from the light... the fact that he did that proves more of what a genius nd bad ass he was...

Here we have the most deadliest being fighting him yet he's preparing fail safes splitting the demons chakra all the while he's holding kyuubi down nd sealing it away... do u know what that takes thats some other level shit right there to face the kyuubi face to face with no special bloodline or eyes is already suicide mianto went in with a smile.. nd did what he came to do that was protect the village nd half madara fail at his goals once again.. Minato won madara failed... madara's goal was to destroy minato's was to save who won answer it urself... Madara read through what he did yes obviously cause he finally gained enough power to keep up with minato, or perhaps mianto didn't use FTG he prob didn't cause there's no point now a regular Sushinn while its hard to track once u stop madara can use the sharingan to see what minato's gonna do so...
minato blitz's madara loses track minato appears tries something madara reads it nd moves the kyuubi away...

There's a reason madara didn't face minato himself

prime or no prime this madara has way better abilities then the prime madara making him more deadly assuming he didn't let SHodaime win the fight...

platinumrug · 08-09-2009, 07:09 PM

Looking like a fool?? That's rich coming from someone who fails to make his sentence appear readable half the time. Lol a simple concept? Alright well alright then, its pointless to even continue, you have your opinion I have mine. As I said, there isn't enough evidence to claim that Minato would completely "destroy" Shodai as you keep claiming he would, you obviously can't see that I wasn't in anyway saying Minato "WOULDN'T or COULDN'T" beat Shodai just saying that he wouldn't demolish him. Simple as that.

Myth · 08-09-2009, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by platinumrug

Looking like a fool?? That's rich coming from someone who fails to make his sentence appear readable half the time. Lol a simple concept? Alright well alright then, its pointless to even continue, you have your opinion I have mine. As I said, there isn't enough evidence to claim that Minato would completely "destroy" Shodai as you keep claiming he would, you obviously can't see that I wasn't in anyway saying Minato "WOULDN'T or COULDN'T" beat Shodai just saying that he wouldn't demolish him. Simple as that.

I never said he would demolish him rofll its just an over exaggeration for the hell of it, but he would beat him pretty quick because he is fast as hell...

Shodai would have to get close to beat someone like him nd thats not an option, Minato was a genius of once in a decade with talent to match he was the only Hokage to be called that.... Plus all the hype of him being number 1 from the hokage contributes to it. Shodai was good but only during his time after him more shinobi came who took over nd surpassed him in everything...

I say Sarutobi would beat Shodaime as well without a doubt, people here think ZOMFGGG HE FOUGHT MADARA ND COULD CONTROL BIJJU big fuckign deal controlling bijju is only good if u have 1 or are 1... nd beating madara back then lol obviously was easier done then it would be today.

DarkAsKnight · 08-09-2009, 07:58 PM

like plat has said, there isn't enough info on the characters to just say "A would defeat B or B defeat A"

08-09-2009, 02:37 PM	#31
platinumrug ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: OH Age: 23 Posts: 3,597 Thanks: 11,323 Thanked 2,991 Times in 1,380 Posts	Re: The 4th Hokage Truthfully there is no real fucking way to compare these Kage's because we've only seen them on & off screen a couple times defeating enemies here and there and a little history behind both. Respectively, Shodai and Nidai were the strongest (including Madara) of their generation of ninjas. Every generation is "supposed" to be better than the last, and so Hiruzen was obviously stronger than both the 1st and 2nd (in his prime). But we never truly SEE these characters long enough to judge them effectively. We can judge if Shika can beat Sasuke or vice versa because we've seen what they can do in battle, what their techniques are and how they use them in battles. All that we know and have seen from both the 1st and 2nd is that the 1st used his wood to create the foundation for the hidden leaf and that he fought Madara while Madara had PMS and kyuubi and beat him. We know the 2nd is the strongest suiton user to date since he can create water where there is none apparently. The only true battle we've seen both the 1st, 2nd and 3rd in was there battle against EACH OTHER when Oro used his resurrection jutsu. We don't know if Minato can beat the 1st and 2nd Hokage's, and truthfully it doesn't fucking matter because they're all from the same village. Truthfully there is no real unbiased way to judge all of these people since they are all from the same village and are the strongest ninjas from their GENERATIONS. __________________ Check me out on YouTube

08-09-2009, 02:48 PM	#32
Giffica Fushichou Kage Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: The Village Hidden in the Sharingan Posts: 500 Thanks: 92 Thanked 41 Times in 34 Posts	Re: The 4th Hokage The generation thing is a good point. However, look at grad Ages and such, and you will see that they go higher and higher. Another issue is that You cannot compare the 1st, or 2nd to Minato because they were from differance ERA's or the Ninja world. You can compare 4th and 3rd and oro, but 1st and Second were strong for there time, but their time, EVERYONE was MUCH stronger than in Minato's time. Uchiha were all greater than they are now. They were made soft by the leaf. Madara knew that. Minato was as well. Have Minato grow up in a time where everyone was likely Chunin Rank by the age of 7, and Jonin by 10, and he would = 1st, but the ERA gap is too great. __________________ Minote Uchiha What kind of babies does Killer Bee have? Babees!

08-09-2009, 03:05 PM	#33
Myth Kage Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 6,112 Thanks: 379 Thanked 2,624 Times in 1,636 Posts	Re: The 4th Hokage Madara Minato the rest. @Trondah i never said he was the greatest i said he was the best from KONOHA thats all thats was stated, im saying he was HYPED up to be the greatest of all time cept for madara.. nd i never said he's faster then madara they both move at the speed of light but madara doesn't need to rely on tags or kunai... learn to read... Madara was in his prime yes i won't disagree but he didn't have the same abilities he has now no fuckign way its impossible because if he did then he would have phased through all attacks nd teleported if he saw he was in danger nd shodaime wouldn't do shit.. nd if he had them then that MEANS HE LETTT SHODAIME win on purpose nd i wouldn;t be surprised if thats what is reveled. Hashirama is nothing before minato, minato accomplished more then hasirama ever did he sealed way the kyuubi hasirama couldn't;t do that , he created kick ass jutsu hashirama created none he was known nd feared by all people were forced to flee on a mere sighting... he was able to move at the speed of light nd without FTG was already king in speed... FYI minato is the only one that knows how to use the death god the right way this was proven recently.. he was the maker of the jutsu after all. so based off that Minato is already greater then hashirama nd there's also the fact that madara didn't have the balls to face minato 1 on 1. Last edited by Myth; 08-09-2009 at 03:25 PM.

08-09-2009, 03:27 PM	#36
platinumrug ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: OH Age: 23 Posts: 3,597 Thanks: 11,323 Thanked 2,991 Times in 1,380 Posts	Re: The 4th Hokage You do realize that Shodai could control all the Bijuu's (If I'm not mistaken) and who's to say Shodai couldn't do it?? Just because it hasn't been said doesn't mean anything, Shodai was in his prime when he beat Madara with PMS and Kyuubi, how can that not account for anything?? And if Madara let him win he wouldn't even bother saying all those wonderful things about him (at first) and then saying shit about him being defeated, he would be all "I let the fool win to make him think I died" or something along those lines. I'm not saying Minato isn't amazing because he is fucking incredible but there is no way you can say he would stomp Shodai in a fight, they CANNOT be compared, simple as fucking that. __________________ Check me out on YouTube

08-09-2009, 03:59 PM	#39
platinumrug ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: OH Age: 23 Posts: 3,597 Thanks: 11,323 Thanked 2,991 Times in 1,380 Posts	Re: The 4th Hokage For the simple fact that when we've been introduced to these character's, shodai, nidai, yondai, we were only introduced to them for their specific traits or features. NOWHERE IN MY FUCKING SPEECH DID I say anything about Minato not being fucking amazing (I know you didn't say anything about it I'm just stating). But speed isn't everything, yeah Minato can have all the speed in the fucking world but against a battle hardened opponent, especially one being the damn first hokage he's not going to just oh tag him and kill him with some lame ass kunai shit. __________________ Check me out on YouTube

08-09-2009, 05:02 PM	#41
platinumrug ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: OH Age: 23 Posts: 3,597 Thanks: 11,323 Thanked 2,991 Times in 1,380 Posts	Re: The 4th Hokage Who ever said he wouldn't touch Shodai because I sure as hell didn't, the only one here saying someone can't touch someone in a battle is you saying Shodai would get stomped by Minato when that whole conclusion is false as fuck. No limbs need to get chopped off, that's irrelevant as fuck. The point is is that regardless of what skills Madara possessed from when he fought Shodai to when he "used" the Kyuubi to try and destroy Konoha, SHODAI STILL BEAT MADARA IN HIS PRIME WHILE HE HAD PMS AND KYUUBI. All Minato did was fucking seal half of kyuubi inside his son and inside the death god or where ever the fuck he took it. Minato himself even said Madara saw through everything he did so what is the point of this argument? __________________ Check me out on YouTube

08-09-2009, 07:09 PM	#43
platinumrug ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: OH Age: 23 Posts: 3,597 Thanks: 11,323 Thanked 2,991 Times in 1,380 Posts	Re: The 4th Hokage Looking like a fool?? That's rich coming from someone who fails to make his sentence appear readable half the time. Lol a simple concept? Alright well alright then, its pointless to even continue, you have your opinion I have mine. As I said, there isn't enough evidence to claim that Minato would completely "destroy" Shodai as you keep claiming he would, you obviously can't see that I wasn't in anyway saying Minato "WOULDN'T or COULDN'T" beat Shodai just saying that he wouldn't demolish him. Simple as that. __________________ Check me out on YouTube Last edited by platinumrug; 08-09-2009 at 07:12 PM.

08-09-2009, 07:58 PM	#45
DarkAsKnight Academy Student Join Date: Jul 2007 Age: 21 Posts: 14 Thanks: 25 Thanked 9 Times in 4 Posts	Re: The 4th Hokage like plat has said, there isn't enough info on the characters to just say "A would defeat B or B defeat A"

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