Naruto 461 Prediction / Spoiler discussions - Page 17

AOTKorby · 08-25-2009, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by jeanericuser

On a final note, madara in fact is actually very very beatable. Remember ms is only as good as long as your eye sight is good, once you go blind you pretty much are the equivalent of a blind genjutsu user. All that needs to be done is to force old madara to use up his ms which probably doesn't take too long since he probably uses the most powerful attacks which runs a risk of making him blind very quickly hence the constant need for eye harvests.

woah, woah, woah. What? We have no idea what the current implications are to Madara's eyes, but one thing is for certain, the EMS does not normally ever run out, or drain the user's eyesight.

Uchiha09 · 08-25-2009, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by SenninKorby

woah, woah, woah. What? We have no idea what the current implications are to Madara's eyes, but one thing is for certain, the EMS does not normally ever run out, or drain the user's eyesight.

i agree, i have no idea where he's getting that idea

Isomorphic · 08-25-2009, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by jeanericuser

....more dialogue and less talking....

would dialogue be dialogue with out talking?

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madara in fact is actually very very beatable.

Let me quote one of the premiere Shinobi of all times "without some sort of special power there would be no way to fight him"

Uchiha09 · 08-25-2009, 11:38 PM

i believe it was here
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/440/08/

NeoKakarott023 · 08-25-2009, 11:59 PM

Madara can't even be touched, and anyone thinking that Yamato & Kakashi caught him are really being fooled by Kishi. He's a monster and smart as hell because he's lived so long, he holds all the cards. Even an attack he's not supposed to know like Shino's was nothing to him, he's phased through the rasengan twice, and that dosen't even begin the total package Minato had and he couldn't do anything about Madara. There is currently to date not one shinobi that can last with Madara and we don't even know what he uses for offense yet, he's not Aizen but damn close in Naruto.

Also Madara went blind once, it'll never happen again, until he dies, cause the dead see nothing.

jeanericuser · 08-26-2009, 12:09 AM

First of all, Iso that was the result of not having a spell checker on though you are slightly taking what Im saying out of context with that quote though if you are using that as way to make a point about the rest, I get your message.

As for the rest, Im not so sure ems is not without consequences. So far the two of you have made 3 major assumptions that are already incorrect.
1. The eyes do not grant 1 time immortality usage. Madara needs new eyes which is the primary reason he grabbed itachi's corpse though when he uses those eyes eventually that is when he will be at his weakest which is when naruto or sasuke will be able to take him out.

2. The ms regardless of how ever you use it takes a price. Amaterasu for example cause eye damage, costs high chakra, and weakens the body. Kishi would not give something like ems to madara without an acceptible handicap built in. Just look at the many paths of pain and nagato. Pain seemed invincible but then you see fugly nagato and you wonder is rinegan really worth looking like a dried up frankenstain/mummy corpse. I think not.

3. As for where Im getting the idea, its all in the series. Many times if you actually look at things you can get some pretty clear answers to some questions. For example, the debate about obito being alive is pretty much solved with that episode shown a while back. Yes obito is a pancake. By now in the series, his role is plant food. May he rest in many pieces. The same goes for the consequences to some abilities. Some people thought sage mode was uber strong but now we all know that too comes with risks and weaknesses. The ems may not have all its factors explained but not all of it is unknown though. Besides here is one other thing to consider. The ability allows him to ghost but it doesnt say how long he can hold it that way. Now imagine what happens if he were to unghost while someone put their weapon into his ghost body unseen. Instant potentially fatal stab wound. It also isnt certain yet if he uses full teleportation or just actual speed combined with his ghost moving. If he were to fall into a pit trap and be buried, could he easily teleport out or would his ass be buried alive like hidan. Tough question but then again only kishi can truly answer that question.

Nexus · 08-26-2009, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Myth

naturally the fan speaks/

That's right, and I'll continue to be one even after this manga is done

.

I'm a little shocked that Zabuza's sword broke the way it's stated, but not too surprised since Raikage did it. Sasuke will have to use all of his tricks to win this battle, but he can get it done.

NeoKakarott023 · 08-26-2009, 12:24 AM

The way Madara just 'appeared' in front of Taka insinuates that he dosen't time/space jump blindly, and within the shinobi world I'd guess he's seen or knows something about at least 90% of all things ninja he's over 90. In all of those years he's never phased into a weapon or jutsu that killed him cause he's still in the manga today. He's easily the fastest shinobi in the entire shinobi world.
Itachi/Madara/Sasuke the Uchihas has never spoken of a flaw, or negative effect to the EMS only the greatness of it. If there is some flaw it dosen't stop him from going where he wants, when he wants, and the only character that evaded the amaretsu without a trick, just his normal jutsu. I say time/space travel is normal to him because he's done it on numerous occaisons so there dosen't seem to be any drawbacks whatsoever. I could guess there would be a drawback, but that dosen't make it a fact, but a guess. I'll say again there is no group of shinobi that can take Madara down right now because they can't touch him. Right now he's uber, he's put in the work, got the hot jutsu's, he dosen't even flaunt his jutsu's because he's that nice.

Uchiha09 · 08-26-2009, 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by jeanericuser

First of all, Iso that was the result of not having a spell checker on though you are slightly taking what Im saying out of context with that quote though if you are using that as way to make a point about the rest, I get your message.

As for the rest, Im not so sure ems is not without consequences. So far the two of you have made 3 major assumptions that are already incorrect.
1. The eyes do not grant 1 time immortality usage. Madara needs new eyes which is the primary reason he grabbed itachi's corpse though when he uses those eyes eventually that is when he will be at his weakest which is when naruto or sasuke will be able to take him out.

2. The ms regardless of how ever you use it takes a price. Amaterasu for example cause eye damage, costs high chakra, and weakens the body. Kishi would not give something like ems to madara without an acceptible handicap built in. Just look at the many paths of pain and nagato. Pain seemed invincible but then you see fugly nagato and you wonder is rinegan really worth looking like a dried up frankenstain/mummy corpse. I think not.

3. As for where Im getting the idea, its all in the series. Many times if you actually look at things you can get some pretty clear answers to some questions. For example, the debate about obito being alive is pretty much solved with that episode shown a while back. Yes obito is a pancake. By now in the series, his role is plant food. May he rest in many pieces. The same goes for the consequences to some abilities. Some people thought sage mode was uber strong but now we all know that too comes with risks and weaknesses. The ems may not have all its factors explained but not all of it is unknown though. Besides here is one other thing to consider. The ability allows him to ghost but it doesnt say how long he can hold it that way. Now imagine what happens if he were to unghost while someone put their weapon into his ghost body unseen. Instant potentially fatal stab wound. It also isnt certain yet if he uses full teleportation or just actual speed combined with his ghost moving. If he were to fall into a pit trap and be buried, could he easily teleport out or would his ass be buried alive like hidan. Tough question but then again only kishi can truly answer that question.

1. how do you know he took itachi's corpse for his eyes?

2. the blindness before EMS was probably the worst of the handicap he would get

3. he doesn't just turn into a ghost, he uses space/time jutsu to move to another dimension which CAN BE FAR AWAY FROM HIS OPPONENT TO AVOID THE STABBING

Darkkakarot · 08-26-2009, 02:42 AM

so heres a question... if Naruto is head and shoulder over sasuke, why when people see sasuke they are always afraid ( besides kb and Raikage ) also without sage mode could you honestly say that naruto has a chance? could he have defeated orouchimaru with out his strongest technique? Sasuke killed him without MS, could naruto have killed oro with out sage mode? he didn't kill him in four tail mode... but yes i understand that my views are far out from you guys but just read the manga if anything sasuke is far more SKILLED of a ninja. Naruto has a massive chakra pool so yeah he can win with sage mode but did you see how pain's one path was almost able to defeat him? At this point sasuke is atleast in the top 3 when it comes to pure genious and SKILL. Naruto is a chakra tank but how much would that help him against the MS techniques? There has to be new techniques in his arsenal that will be shown to to compete with naruto's sage mode... how much fun would it be if the final naruto sasuke fight was a one sided naruto whopping of sasuke? They are atleast equal thats how the whole manga has gone...

Btw would you guys agree with atleast this Naruto/Sasuke > Pain/Jiraya/Raikage/KB/Itachi/Kisame/Kakashi/Yamato/and anyone else in the manga in that order. That is the characters that we know about...

Myth · 08-26-2009, 02:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Darkkakarot

Btw would you guys agree with atleast this Naruto/Sasuke > Pain/Jiraya/Raikage/KB/Itachi/Kisame/Kakashi/Yamato/and anyone else in the manga in that order. That is the characters that we know about...

rofllllllllllllllllllll anyone who agrees to that is a moron..

itachi jiraiya pain naruto>sasuke - thats something everyone agrees on nd knows

Ero-Sage · 08-26-2009, 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by NeoKakarott023

The way Madara just 'appeared' in front of Taka insinuates that he dosen't time/space jump blindly, and within the shinobi world I'd guess he's seen or knows something about at least 90% of all things ninja he's over 90. In all of those years he's never phased into a weapon or jutsu that killed him cause he's still in the manga today. He's easily the fastest shinobi in the entire shinobi world.
Itachi/Madara/Sasuke the Uchihas has never spoken of a flaw, or negative effect to the EMS only the greatness of it. If there is some flaw it dosen't stop him from going where he wants, when he wants, and the only character that evaded the amaretsu without a trick, just his normal jutsu. I say time/space travel is normal to him because he's done it on numerous occaisons so there dosen't seem to be any drawbacks whatsoever. I could guess there would be a drawback, but that dosen't make it a fact, but a guess. I'll say again there is no group of shinobi that can take Madara down right now because they can't touch him. Right now he's uber, he's put in the work, got the hot jutsu's, he dosen't even flaunt his jutsu's because he's that nice.

Exactly how do you know he evaded the amaterasu that was on his shoulder without a trick when he backed into the shadows to evade it?

When was madera's teleportation jutsu ever explained to be tele or space/time or anything for that matter? I don't believe its been explained yet.

How can you say he's uber when he's a shell of his former self and has to recruit ninja's like nagato and sasuke to do his fighting for him?

Kishi hanging Naruto off that cliffhanger HARD. No Naruto in 461....better make up for it in 462...i'm dying to hear Naruto and Madara talk about Nagato and ???

Darkkakarot · 08-26-2009, 03:23 AM

How can you say that when sasuke defeated Itachi? I will quote some from another thread, "If fighter A is stronger than fighter b than he will beat him in a fight" since sasuke defeated Uchiha Itachi he is obviously stronger even that was without MS... you guys iunderestimate him and you will see soon enough that Naruto isn't 10x stronger than sasuke... if he was where is the rivalry in that? There is none... do you read much manga? Does the main character ever become stronger to the point of pwning there rival at the end... I don't think so... DBZ Was just about the only one but even that in GT became pretty much equal at the end, no more talk about it just watch and when sasuke gives naruto a hell of a run for his money i will create a thread saying told you so... It's logic that he would do so since that would create a climatic ending to the naruto chasing sasuke storyline. I think i would rather read a pretty much even fight than a naruto beatdown of sasuke wouldn't you? Well Kishi thinks the same thing...

ssj92 · 08-26-2009, 03:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Darkkakarot

How can you say that when sasuke defeated Itachi? I will quote some from another thread, "If fighter A is stronger than fighter b than he will beat him in a fight" since sasuke defeated Uchiha Itachi he is obviously stronger even that was without MS... you guys iunderestimate him and you will see soon enough that Naruto isn't 10x stronger than sasuke... if he was where is the rivalry in that? There is none... do you read much manga? Does the main character ever become stronger to the point of pwning there rival at the end... I don't think so... DBZ Was just about the only one but even that in GT became pretty much equal at the end, no more talk about it just watch and when sasuke gives naruto a hell of a run for his money i will create a thread saying told you so... It's logic that he would do so since that would create a climatic ending to the naruto chasing sasuke storyline. I think i would rather read a pretty much even fight than a naruto beatdown of sasuke wouldn't you? Well Kishi thinks the same thing...

Itachi wasn't trying to kill Sasuke in the first place

Darkkakarot · 08-26-2009, 03:46 AM

Nobody has still proven that naruto is stronger than sasuke... its not like sasuke has lost to anyone that we can say is weaker than Naruto, when has Sasuke ever lost to anyone? Oh and for everyone that says that the last fight in naruto before Shippuuden was a victory from Naruto think again. In the first few chapters of shippuuden when they meet up and naruto asks him "why didn't you kill me?" and sasuke says "i could have but i didn't want to do it his way" do Naruto once say "nu-uh i won" or something like that lol i know he wouldn't say nu-uh but still... fuck it i really dont give a fuck either way cause my favorite charry is Shikumaru and he cant fight either of them lol 8)

P.S. I mean Uber-sasuke not young sasuke when i say he never lost

08-25-2009, 11:38 PM	#244
Uchiha09 Hunter-Nin Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: in imagination land, where fart when you burp and when you burp when you fart Age: 19 Posts: 1,166 Thanks: 379 Thanked 243 Times in 226 Posts	Re: Naruto 461 Prediction / Spoiler discussions i believe it was here http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/440/08/

08-25-2009, 11:59 PM	#245
NeoKakarott023 Sennin Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Parts Unknown, East Blue Posts: 4,822 Thanks: 3,380 Thanked 1,625 Times in 977 Posts	Re: Naruto 461 Prediction / Spoiler discussions Madara can't even be touched, and anyone thinking that Yamato & Kakashi caught him are really being fooled by Kishi. He's a monster and smart as hell because he's lived so long, he holds all the cards. Even an attack he's not supposed to know like Shino's was nothing to him, he's phased through the rasengan twice, and that dosen't even begin the total package Minato had and he couldn't do anything about Madara. There is currently to date not one shinobi that can last with Madara and we don't even know what he uses for offense yet, he's not Aizen but damn close in Naruto. Also Madara went blind once, it'll never happen again, until he dies, cause the dead see nothing. __________________ Hit me tha right way, I gots no problem reppin' ya, and look for nothing in return. Just letting Ya know You have dishonored my Family, and a Shaolin Temple... 許 Yurusenai 許 Unforgivable Last edited by NeoKakarott023; 08-26-2009 at 12:01 AM.

08-26-2009, 12:09 AM	#246
jeanericuser Predictomatic 9000 Join Date: Sep 2008 Age: 33 Posts: 707 Thanks: 72 Thanked 1,048 Times in 229 Posts	Re: Naruto 461 Prediction / Spoiler discussions First of all, Iso that was the result of not having a spell checker on though you are slightly taking what Im saying out of context with that quote though if you are using that as way to make a point about the rest, I get your message. As for the rest, Im not so sure ems is not without consequences. So far the two of you have made 3 major assumptions that are already incorrect. 1. The eyes do not grant 1 time immortality usage. Madara needs new eyes which is the primary reason he grabbed itachi's corpse though when he uses those eyes eventually that is when he will be at his weakest which is when naruto or sasuke will be able to take him out. 2. The ms regardless of how ever you use it takes a price. Amaterasu for example cause eye damage, costs high chakra, and weakens the body. Kishi would not give something like ems to madara without an acceptible handicap built in. Just look at the many paths of pain and nagato. Pain seemed invincible but then you see fugly nagato and you wonder is rinegan really worth looking like a dried up frankenstain/mummy corpse. I think not. 3. As for where Im getting the idea, its all in the series. Many times if you actually look at things you can get some pretty clear answers to some questions. For example, the debate about obito being alive is pretty much solved with that episode shown a while back. Yes obito is a pancake. By now in the series, his role is plant food. May he rest in many pieces. The same goes for the consequences to some abilities. Some people thought sage mode was uber strong but now we all know that too comes with risks and weaknesses. The ems may not have all its factors explained but not all of it is unknown though. Besides here is one other thing to consider. The ability allows him to ghost but it doesnt say how long he can hold it that way. Now imagine what happens if he were to unghost while someone put their weapon into his ghost body unseen. Instant potentially fatal stab wound. It also isnt certain yet if he uses full teleportation or just actual speed combined with his ghost moving. If he were to fall into a pit trap and be buried, could he easily teleport out or would his ass be buried alive like hidan. Tough question but then again only kishi can truly answer that question.

08-26-2009, 12:24 AM	#248
NeoKakarott023 Sennin Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Parts Unknown, East Blue Posts: 4,822 Thanks: 3,380 Thanked 1,625 Times in 977 Posts	Re: Naruto 461 Prediction / Spoiler discussions The way Madara just 'appeared' in front of Taka insinuates that he dosen't time/space jump blindly, and within the shinobi world I'd guess he's seen or knows something about at least 90% of all things ninja he's over 90. In all of those years he's never phased into a weapon or jutsu that killed him cause he's still in the manga today. He's easily the fastest shinobi in the entire shinobi world. Itachi/Madara/Sasuke the Uchihas has never spoken of a flaw, or negative effect to the EMS only the greatness of it. If there is some flaw it dosen't stop him from going where he wants, when he wants, and the only character that evaded the amaretsu without a trick, just his normal jutsu. I say time/space travel is normal to him because he's done it on numerous occaisons so there dosen't seem to be any drawbacks whatsoever. I could guess there would be a drawback, but that dosen't make it a fact, but a guess. I'll say again there is no group of shinobi that can take Madara down right now because they can't touch him. Right now he's uber, he's put in the work, got the hot jutsu's, he dosen't even flaunt his jutsu's because he's that nice. __________________ Hit me tha right way, I gots no problem reppin' ya, and look for nothing in return. Just letting Ya know You have dishonored my Family, and a Shaolin Temple... 許 Yurusenai 許 Unforgivable

08-26-2009, 02:42 AM	#250
Darkkakarot Genin Join Date: Jun 2008 Age: 23 Posts: 275 Thanks: 20 Thanked 76 Times in 72 Posts	Re: Naruto 461 Prediction / Spoiler discussions so heres a question... if Naruto is head and shoulder over sasuke, why when people see sasuke they are always afraid ( besides kb and Raikage ) also without sage mode could you honestly say that naruto has a chance? could he have defeated orouchimaru with out his strongest technique? Sasuke killed him without MS, could naruto have killed oro with out sage mode? he didn't kill him in four tail mode... but yes i understand that my views are far out from you guys but just read the manga if anything sasuke is far more SKILLED of a ninja. Naruto has a massive chakra pool so yeah he can win with sage mode but did you see how pain's one path was almost able to defeat him? At this point sasuke is atleast in the top 3 when it comes to pure genious and SKILL. Naruto is a chakra tank but how much would that help him against the MS techniques? There has to be new techniques in his arsenal that will be shown to to compete with naruto's sage mode... how much fun would it be if the final naruto sasuke fight was a one sided naruto whopping of sasuke? They are atleast equal thats how the whole manga has gone... Btw would you guys agree with atleast this Naruto/Sasuke > Pain/Jiraya/Raikage/KB/Itachi/Kisame/Kakashi/Yamato/and anyone else in the manga in that order. That is the characters that we know about... __________________ Last edited by Darkkakarot; 08-26-2009 at 02:45 AM.

08-26-2009, 03:23 AM	#253
Darkkakarot Genin Join Date: Jun 2008 Age: 23 Posts: 275 Thanks: 20 Thanked 76 Times in 72 Posts	Re: Naruto 461 Prediction / Spoiler discussions How can you say that when sasuke defeated Itachi? I will quote some from another thread, "If fighter A is stronger than fighter b than he will beat him in a fight" since sasuke defeated Uchiha Itachi he is obviously stronger even that was without MS... you guys iunderestimate him and you will see soon enough that Naruto isn't 10x stronger than sasuke... if he was where is the rivalry in that? There is none... do you read much manga? Does the main character ever become stronger to the point of pwning there rival at the end... I don't think so... DBZ Was just about the only one but even that in GT became pretty much equal at the end, no more talk about it just watch and when sasuke gives naruto a hell of a run for his money i will create a thread saying told you so... It's logic that he would do so since that would create a climatic ending to the naruto chasing sasuke storyline. I think i would rather read a pretty much even fight than a naruto beatdown of sasuke wouldn't you? Well Kishi thinks the same thing... __________________

08-26-2009, 03:46 AM	#255
Darkkakarot Genin Join Date: Jun 2008 Age: 23 Posts: 275 Thanks: 20 Thanked 76 Times in 72 Posts	Re: Naruto 461 Prediction / Spoiler discussions Nobody has still proven that naruto is stronger than sasuke... its not like sasuke has lost to anyone that we can say is weaker than Naruto, when has Sasuke ever lost to anyone? Oh and for everyone that says that the last fight in naruto before Shippuuden was a victory from Naruto think again. In the first few chapters of shippuuden when they meet up and naruto asks him "why didn't you kill me?" and sasuke says "i could have but i didn't want to do it his way" do Naruto once say "nu-uh i won" or something like that lol i know he wouldn't say nu-uh but still... fuck it i really dont give a fuck either way cause my favorite charry is Shikumaru and he cant fight either of them lol 8) P.S. I mean Uber-sasuke not young sasuke when i say he never lost __________________ Last edited by Darkkakarot; 08-26-2009 at 03:48 AM.

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