Ogihci

Is this Senju vs. Uchiha battle only concerning Konoha? The manga stated that the man with the Rinnegan is the creator of the ninja world, therefore all the ninja countries sprouted from his offspring. Therefore are the citizens of the other countries, such as Cloud ninjas, etc., are classified as either Senju or Uchiha?

If so, then the Senju have dominated the ninja world even before the destruction of the Uchiha clan. Realistically, there should have been more Uchiha outside of Konoha. If you figure the Byuka clan descends from Uchiha, in the big picture Uchiha + Byuka clans < rest of the ninja world. So I'm kind of confused, either the holder of Rinnegan's youngest son's offspring procreated much more than his eldest son, or the logic is a little off.

Viczor6

Hm.. Senju and Uchiha is only concerning Konoha. That's how it's been in the past.. It begun with Harashima who was the first hokage and Uchiha Madara. We havn't got any info what happend right after Rikudo Sage died and Harashima vs Senju.

Do you mean the Hyuuga clan? I belive that the Sharingan descends from Byuakugan and ofc Rinnegan. It's said in the anime and manga that sharingan came from byakugan, what I can remember.

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superninja

You have a point, it could be just a myth, a fairytale Tobi told.
But I have an answer for the question, Uchiha and Senju clan existed before Konoha was formed, they would be the so called descendants from the two sons that kept their legacy. They formed Konoha together, so no other villages would have Senju or Uchihas in general, only Konoha.
But the two sons might have had more descendants than just the Senju or Uchihas, those guys could live in other villages.
But it was probably just a metaphor Tobi told, he likes those kind of stories.

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ckraizitee

adam and eve are the first human,all d world came from them, because two of their decendants are indians and germans doesnt mean the whole world came from india and germany.

D SAGEs CHILDREN WERE SAID TO HAVE RINNEGAN AND D OTHER A STRONG BODY NOT NECESSARILY SENJU.

Uchiha09

the sennin's son's spirits and wills were reincarnated within senju ( hashirama) and uchiha (madara) same way pein was reincarnated with the sennin's abilities

tien

Funny how this forum has 60+ pages to a thread rooted mainly in error and misunderstanding.

When the sage appeared he DIVINED(in this case FIGURED OUT), the true meaning of chakra. IN other words people used their surroundings, shaped cultures, made laws, etc. And here came a man showing what was possible with a spiritual energy people probably did not know they possessed. While preaching his message of peace he more or less showed people how to mold chakra to build it up and the first concepts of hand sealing to create techniques. Now is Tobi was not blowing smoke up peoples asses, Rikodou sennin entrusted portions and aspects of his power one more mental and the other physical to his two sons. Which became the two top clans, humans were around and in his travels he planted the seeds. If he came back he would find thousands of creative techniques this initial seeding fostered.

Did the Uchiha create many techniques, no, they copied alot, and maybe create more fire based jutsus as per their more natural affinity coupled with the fact that they lived in the fire country. I feel the elemental jutsus were inspired as per surroundings of each land. Take raikage, his most natural afinity might not even be lightning, for all we know it could be his 3rd affinity. No my friend the first rikodou might be stronger than nagato, but if that is the case, it would be in chakra only. As far as jutsus, since the first Sennin's death, the jutsus , techniques, sealings, etc, has only blossomed, with Nagato having the ability to master all he comes into contact with as well as the ones he can dream of, see what I am saying. Read the manga could before you create a thread in error.