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Old 09-12-2009, 08:40 PM   #61
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Besides, that's a kinjutsu from Konoha's forbidden scroll. Raikage wouldn't have access to those techniques.
And who says that Raikage's village does not have some forbidden jutsus themselves?

Heck, they may even have a equally powerful kinjutsu.
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And who says that Raikage's village does not have some forbidden jutsus themselves?

Heck, they may even have a equally powerful kinjutsu.
Not saying his village doesn't, I'm just saying they wouldn't have the Reverse Hidden Lotus because it is a secret art in Konoha and only a select few know. It would definitely be a problem if Kumogakure didn't have secret and forbidden jutsu. It would be a bigger problem if Raikage knew the reverse lotus because it would mean someone from Konoha is a traitor.
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Re: 464 Predictions/spoilers

Raikage trained to attain his ability its a hard tog et ability sasuke can't just sprout it, he could to an extent like he did with lee's taijutsu but he'll tire out quick..

plus mks uses a lot of chakra he can't afford to use this type of ability nd hope to have left overs for mks, not to mention that this speed serves him no purpose he's already decently fast plus his strength will not be like the raikages because that came from hard training...

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I get tired of certain sayings... Sasuke was lucky because Itachi gave him...Sasuke lucked out vs. Deidara because afinity wise lightening pwn's earth.... Sasukes' Susanoo is incomplete... they're just sad ways to keep hate going vs. Uchihas. Theres no luck in manga, its a story, it either is, or it isn't. Stop Hewlett Packard thinking 'What if' and live in OUR WORLD. The REAL ONE. Sasuke is a character that has done everything Kishi has wanted him to, theres no luck that its a top selling manga and people luv the story. Its a good story (I'm not saying the best, yeah their are better but thats not the point), and Sasuke is just the anti-Hero that will absorb the most hate. So you hater are supposed to hate on Sasuke thats fine, but get out of the 'What if', 'He's lucky because' world and hang out with us in the REAL WORLD... once again thanks for your time. ;-)
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Sure, Naruto is lucky too for being a host. Though, if what was discussed a page ago was indeed the case, it would mean Sasuke has three more Mangekyou sharingan techniques as Sasuke is simply using the power of his own Mangekyou sharingan to use the techniques Itachi embedded into him. I think, if Sasuke is going to win, he'll have to use those techniques he had yet to awaken because Itachi techniques aren't cutting the mustard. His has to be stronger in order to win.
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I personally think if Sasuke were to gain more MS tecs it may just be one or two at most. MS genjutsu really would vary on the individuals skill & how they intend on using the illusion. Like Tsukuyomi is the method Itachi chooses to use his genjutsu on an MS level. However with Sasuke his version of Tsukuyomi seems a bit different (the user not in the same realm as myth points out, & the ability to turn someone into a zombie that is forced to do what the user tells them to). Both pretty much make the victim unable to fight after the effect is over. Having a secondary genjutsu skill would seem rather pointless in my eyes.
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I would love to see Raikage pulling out a super deadly Jutsu which even Sasuke realizes would kill him and sudden Naruto appears before Sasuke in Sage Mode and save his sorry ass. Sasukes expression would be priceless... though I'm not sure what is better, the situation itself or Sasukes concluding expression.

Nevertheless won't happen, I rather bet the Karin finds Danzou and tells Sasuke somehow and since he was his real target Sasuke will leave with empty words like "your not worthy to fight me, I would easily kill if I wanted" and commits back-off to get to Danzou.
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I would love to see Raikage pulling out a super deadly Jutsu which even Sasuke realizes would kill him and sudden Naruto appears before Sasuke in Sage Mode and save his sorry ass.
Keep dreaming fool Naruto isn't coming to save anyone he isn't even in the same area. You act like this fight is going to last long enough for Naruto to get to an area he hasn't even started searching for. No one is saving Sasuke but himself or Madara. Even Madara seems improbable because he needs Sasuke to be swallowed by hatred so he's easier to manipulate. If Madara were to jump in & save Sasuke now there's no way for Sasuke to grow stronger from hatred. Sasuke has to survive this on his own based on how the story is progressing.

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Sasukes expression would be priceless... though I'm not sure what is better, the situation itself or Sasukes concluding expression.
Sasuke would be pissed if he had to be saved by Naruto & he'd probably attack Naruto for interfering at this point.


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Nevertheless won't happen, I rather bet the Karin finds Danzou and tells Sasuke somehow and since he was his real target Sasuke will leave with empty words like "your not worthy to fight me, I would easily kill if I wanted" and commits back-off to get to Danzou.
This whole Sasuke running away to find Danzou crap is also improbable. Really now how the fuck is Sasuke going to run away from someone who's clearly faster than him? You haters sound like fucking retards at times I swear.
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Re: 464 Predictions/spoilers

Sasuke isn't going to go no where anytime soon.

It's either A or B

A - Tell Raikage the truth
B - Fight to the death

If Sasuke escapes. That would be really dumb. Shi is still alive and can track Sasuke.
If Sasuke runs into Danzou THAT would be even more dumb.

Sasuke is gonna fight off the Raikage. Naruto gets there too late. Samurai/survivors of the battle tell Naruto that Sasuke used some strange power and his eyes changed shape. Thus he has to train more. Meanwhile Sasuke preps another plan to kill Danzou.

EDIT: Isn't Raikage Thunder armor techinque is similar to gates? Because Karin didn't detect Bijuu chakra levels at first and Raikage's speed is growing. It reminds me of Rock Lee and Guy. It might be an advanced form than Gates, because at a certain point using gates the user has Hokage chakra levels while Raikage has Bijuu chakra levels which is ferociously high.

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Though, Sasuke is still in immediate danger. The sand crew are thinking about Sasuke at the moment and if Kazekage and his siblings along with the Mizukage (not Aoi, he has to watch Danzou, or the Tushikage because he threw his backout), and maybe Chojiro go to restrain Sasuke, things can take a massive turn for the worse. Sasuke thinks he's badass, but there's no way he can take on two more Kage as he's struggling with just one, not to mention give or take a few aide whom are jounin in level.

Either Sasuke pulls out some amazingly unreasonble attack (which is likely at this point) Madara showing up may not be outside the realm of impossibility.
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Sasuke doesn't have Bijuu chakra levels which means he doesn't have enough chakra to sustain raiton armor like Raikage. At most Sasuke would be able to copy it to a point were he could use it in extremely short burst but that's about it.

Sasuke doesn't have CS & CS doesn't grant the user chakra there body doesn't naturally have it forces out more which results in more speed, power, bla bla bla at the cost of draining there chakra faster.

I didn't mean to imply sasuke could use it all the time. Myth was saying sasuke didn't have enough chakra. So, to use it briefly he'd have to release his curse seal, for that burst of power. Otherwise he wouldn't meet the chakra requirement. Wouldn't it be easier on him to use bursts of raiton armor than repeatedly using susanoo?


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No just no. Raikage works out like a dog every single day based on his build. His workout routine is most likely more intense than Gai & Lee combined. Let's face facts here even without the raiton armor Raikage is extreemly fast & strong(stated by Zetsu).
Yeah he trained like hell to get that buff. But he did so in a way that balanced speed and strength. sasuke focused mostly on speed. I never said he could get stronger. He's near equal in speed already. The extra reflexes would put him over the top.


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Sasuke's eyes would greatly befit Sasuke with such a jutsu yes. However the reason why the raiton armor isn't flawed like Chidori is the lightning fast reflexes. It allows him to quickly react to any & all situations even such a thing as sharingan movement prediction.

Don't get me wrong. I love the raiton armor. But it only increase reflexes, and doesn't predict like the SG. Let me give you a hypothetical example

Lets say sasuke came at raikage. It takes 1 second for the signal of light to enter raikages eyes and be processed by the brain . Because of his raiton armor it would take 1/2 second for his brain to tell his body to counterattack. Sasuke observes raikages muscle movement with his SG, and is predicting his movements before he acutally does. Because of this advance warning and the way a uchiha brain is wired to process it, he gets a 1/2 second head start. Not having raiton armor though his body take a full second to respond. The result is they both take 1 1/2 seconds to react to each other, explaining their seemingly equal speed. I'm not saying that's the actual times it takes them. Just an easy example. If sasuke were to have the raiton armor too it he could react way faster, countering moves that haven't even been made.

What do you think about sasuke modifying the jutsu, like he did with chidori? He could just drop the outside armor, and keep the raiton flowing internally. It would lessen the chakra requirements drastically. He could just use it for bursts of speed, to avoid being hit. Like the shunpo shinigami use on bleach.



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Why would Raikage open up gates when raiton armor is clearly superior? I doubt such a thing would even be possible as the constant flow of raw chakra would make is a hell of allot harder for him to concentrate on maintaining the raiton armor.
Good question. I was thinking the raikages sending signals to his body at the speed of light, right? But the body itself has limits on what it could do. By opening up a few, he could surpass the limits. Just 1 would be awesome. 3 would be insane. You saw how surprised sasuke was when raikage smacked him in the neck. Now he's about to drop kick him. lol
sasukes probable going to summon up susanoo for defense. Wouldn't it be awesome if raikage opened the 1st gate and smashed it. Imagine the look on his face.

By the way, I'm well aware that its 99.99% likely to never happen. Just saying it would be cool though. One of those "what if" questions.



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That wouldn't even be fair. Not saying he couldn't, but why do it when he can use his own skill without any draw backs like muscle rupturing and brain collasping?
Besides, that's a kinjutsu from Konoha's forbidden scroll. Raikage wouldn't have access to those techniques.
Opening the 1st gate doesn't put too much strain on the body. He'd need to take a little break after. 3 would be harder. Rock lee didn't experience muscle rupturing until the 5th gate.

Its been stated in the manga the cloud village has been constantly building its strength. I'm sure that includes espionage. They have info on sasuke. No telling what else.


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Opening the 1st gate doesn't put too much strain on the body. He'd need to take a little break after. 3 would be harder. Rock lee didn't experience muscle rupturing until the 5th seal.

Its been stated in the manga the cloud village has been constantly building its strength. I'm sure that includes espionage.
Raikage's fine where he's at, little strain is better than none in my opinion. Though, it is true that the Raikage was gathering techniques and strengthening his army while the other villages started to disarm. I'm not sure if Raikage was the same one who tried to gain the secrets of the Byakugan, but if he was, it would support the idea that his village is probably the strongest in terms of military might.


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I knew, you were being silly no prob.lol If Raikage could open chakra gates it would be a sight worth seeing.
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Raikage's fine where he's at, little strain is better than none in my opinion. Though, it is true that the Raikage was gathering techniques and strengthening his army while the other villages started to disarm. I'm not sure if Raikage was the same one who tried to gain the secrets of the Byakugan, but if he was, it would support the idea that his village is probably the strongest in terms of military might.

I knew, you were being silly no prob.lol If Raikage could open chakra gates it would be a sight worth seeing.

I think kakashi mentions the hyuuga incident to the raikage. He said something like "we could have went to war then, but we swallowed our pride". Don't know if it was this raikage or the previous.

I wouldn't recommend opening the gates either. Maybe if sasuke pulls out something huge, or he wants to end it quickly. Plus I wouldn't want to be weakened around Danzo. Never know what he'd do. Wouldn't put nothing past him.

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I didn't mean to imply sasuke could use it all the time. Myth was saying sasuke didn't have enough chakra. So, to use it briefly he'd have to release his curse seal, for that burst of power. Otherwise he wouldn't meet the chakra requirement. Wouldn't it be easier on him to use bursts of raiton armor than repeatedly using susanoo?
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