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Old 09-19-2009, 06:19 AM   #76
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I hope Sasuke copies all the new lightning techs that have been introduced simply because the primary use of the sharingan is to
copy techs and we have only seen sasuke copy
Rock Lee's taijutsu,it would be silly not to take this opportunity to copy high level techs.
Though, the sharingan has a cap off ability. The sharingan can only copy based off the guideline below from my understanding.

-Jutsu must not be a bloodline.
-Handseals must be seen.
-And the jutsu must be in the chakra range for the user to immitate it.

Raikage used no handseals from my understanding (though if he did, he probably did so before approaching Sasuke). Sasuke must have chakra to match the output Raikage uses, when he dawns the lightning armor. Karin said that Raikage's chakra is Bijuu leveled, it is likely that Sasuke lacks the chakra to be able to match the output.

Basically, if the jutsu is outside the range for the Uchiha's body to match, he can't copy it, even if the handseals were read. Not saying it is impossible for Sasuke to copy at least a lower and water down form of the lightning armor, but the highest form with Raikage all super charged, is probably impossible for Sasuke's body to mimic.

It would be like Sasuke trying to copy Naruto's Mass Shadow clone technique, which requires a naturally large and dense chakra pool to be able to pull off, the sharingan wouldn't aide in copying it. Taijutsu on the otherhand, is easier to copy because the sharingan can probably read physical movements like handseals.

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In every flashback were Itachi touched Sasuke's forehead was he transfering knowledge and skills to Sasuke?
Itachi was a older and more experienced than Sasuke,so I assume he copied a lot of jutsu that are independant of the sharingan.
Doubtful in my opinion. He was just messing around with his lil bro. Thumping him on his head was a way to make fun of Sasuke's inability to understand the situation, which was probably funny and in a off way cute to Itachi.

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Which is more plausible for itachi to transfer these copied skills to Naruto or Itachi to transfer sharingan based techs or even create copies of ancient weapons whose creation is legend then implant them in Naruto?
Well, he gave Sasuke his three Mangekyou Sharingan technique, as for Naruto, I suppose he could have gave him some of the jutsu he copied, but I'd like to believe they aren't elemental based jutsu because Naruto hasn't shown the ability to use techniques outside the wind element, him just popping them out would discredit working to gain other chakra natures.
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Re: 465 Prediction/Spoilers Discussion

^Nah, when Itachi tapped Sasuke's forehead he gave him that Amaterasu trap that hit Madara as soon as she started taking off his mask.
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^Nah, when Itachi tapped Sasuke's forehead he gave him that Amaterasu trap that hit Madara as soon as she started taking off his mask.
True, but Madara also said that when he touched Sasuke's forehead, all of Itachi's dojutsu were transfered into Sasuke.
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[QUOTE=Kyuubito;1754151]Personally, i think that somehow, someway, after a long fought battle b/t sasuke and naruto, that sasuke will "see the light" and fight with naruto against Madara. And that sealing sword may be the only thing to capture/defeat madara.

QUOTE]

exactly what i wrote

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If sasuke does not posses the sword of Tsosuka by next chapter then I was right Itachi sealed that in naruto...
Im sorry but i think that it is impossible (unless there are two of those swords which i think it is clear that there aren't)

Why? Well he used it against sasuke, right before he died, and AFTER his last meeting with Naruto. So if he sealed it into Naruto he wouldn't be able to use it vs sasuke/oro (unless the sword isn't unique which i think we can safely assume that it is)

That is why I think that he sealed it into Sasuke's susano for when it becomes "light" like itachi's not dark like it is now
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Ok Stubborn donkey, how do you break it up please and if your not willingly to tell me, then please DONT offer me no advice in future
So you can post the second bit and i shouldnt be allowed to if i dont tell you? Why be so rude?

Anyways, here is a quotes for noobs guide


1. A basic quote

[*QUOTE][*/QUOTE]

(the * need to be removed for it to work, I put them in so you can see the text) is a basic quote that just wraps something in a quote without saying who quoted it who quoted so

[*QUOTE]this is a quote[*/QUOTE] without any * would look like
Quote:
this is a quote

Edit: there is a button for this, it looks like a speech bubble. If you select text and then press the button the selected text will automatically be wrapped with the quote tag


2. A quote that says who said it

[*QUOTE=who said it][*/QUOTE] this adds who said the post, manually putting that there can be useful when quoting something external. Example:

[*QUOTE=Mangastream]Remember all you sexy bastards out there, Naruto, Bleach, OP, FT, etc. all on break this week. Feel free to take your rage out on us[*/QUOTE] without any * would look like
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mangastream
Remember all you sexy bastards out there, Naruto, Bleach, OP, FT, etc. all on break this week. Feel free to take your rage out on us
3. A quote that says who said it and links to the post where it was said

[*QUOTE=who said it;X][*/QUOTE]

Where X is the post number.

For the post that i originally quoted it would look like this

[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164]Ok Stubborn donkey, how do you break it up please and if your not willingly to tell me, then please DONT offer me no advice in future[*/QUOTE]

That is what you get when you press the quote button.

4. Breaking up a quote

Now that you know how quotes work it all boils down to preference, how you want it to look like and how you want to do it.

One way of doing it is copying the latter part of the original quote [*/QUOTE] and then pasting it after each section you break up, write your reply, choose the text you want then paste it after that portion, repeat till you finish the go back and copy then paste the first part of the text at the beginning of each portion of text. Of course you can immediately copy and paste both parts of a poste so that you dont forget one in the end.

The end result would be something like this

[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164]Ok Stubborn donkey,[*/QUOTE]
My reply 1
[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164] how do you break it up please[*/QUOTE]
my reply 2
[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164]and if your not willingly to tell me, [*/QUOTE]
my reply 3
[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164]then please DONT offer me no advice in future[*/QUOTE]
my reply 4



Which without any * would look like

Quote:
Originally Posted by minato uchiha View Post
Ok Stubborn donkey,
My reply 1
Quote:
Originally Posted by minato uchiha View Post
how do you break it up please
my reply 2
Quote:
Originally Posted by minato uchiha View Post
and if your not willingly to tell me,
my reply 3
Quote:
Originally Posted by minato uchiha View Post
then please DONT offer me no advice in future
my reply 4


Another way of doing it would be to cut and paste the second part of the quote tag after the first section of text you want to seperate then write your reply select the second part and hit he quote button (it looks like a text bubble),if you do that without anything else the end result would be

[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164]Ok Stubborn donkey,[*/QUOTE]
My reply 1
[*QUOTE] how do you break it up please[*/QUOTE]
my reply 2
[*QUOTE]and if your not willingly to tell me, [*/QUOTE]
my reply 3
[*QUOTE]then please DONT offer me no advice in future[*/QUOTE]
my reply 4

Which would look like

Quote:
Originally Posted by minato uchiha View Post
Ok Stubborn donkey,
My reply 1
Quote:
how do you break it up please
my reply 2
Quote:
and if your not willingly to tell me,
my reply 3
Quote:
then please DONT offer me no advice in future
my reply 4

To make it like the previous example (which wpuld be preferred, though not necessary ) copy the part that says who posted with the link to the post and paste it accordingly to the proper part in each first half of each quote tag. In my I would copy =minato uchiha;2118164 and paste it where the # is
[*QUOTE#] to get [*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164] (of course with the * removed)


Of course you can use any other method you like to get to the end result, but now that you know what the end rwsult looks like I think there shouldnt be any problems
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^sorry, i must have missed it. Great theory then
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raikage used no handsigns but neither does lee and sasuke copied that, he copied his speed and the forward lotus thing

so yeah sasuke could copy rais thing, but defo not in this fight...
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that was not the first time itachi did that,he used to do that to sasuke whenever he was nagging him to teach him something.eg
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/223/18/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/402/05/
Don't forget Raikage is no the only lightning user in this fight,Darui and Shii have impressive techs too.
Itachi could cast genjutsu using his finger when someone is trying too avoid eye contact,Sasuke could
use a lightning genjutsu instead.
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True, but Madara also said that when he touched Sasuke's forehead, all of Itachi's dojutsu were transfered into Sasuke.
He lied to Sasuke. Madara later explains to Zetsu:

http://www.narutocentral.com/manga.p...uto&c=404&p=15

By killing Itachi, Sasuke awakened his own Mangekyou Sharingan. You can clearly see when he uses Itachi's Amaterasu:
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/397/02/
(look at the shape of his sharingan)
And this is when he uses his own Mangekyou Sharingan:
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/415/01/ (that's why the chapter is called a new power ... why would it be a new power if he already used it on Madara?!)
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Attachment 1947
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/341/01-02/
Maybe someone can use this as a basis for prediction,I lack the creativity to do it myself.
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raikage used no handsigns but neither does lee and sasuke copied that, he copied his speed and the forward lotus thing
Because it is taijutsu. All taijutsu is, is physical movements, which all can be mimicked by the sharingan. If the sharingan can copy handwriting style, it can copy taijutsu. And Kakashi trained Sasuke's body to endure the speed used when Lee removes his weights, though at the time, Sasuke's stamina was too low for him to maintain those speeds for extend periods of time. Opening chakra gates is something that has to be taught and trained to maintain.

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so yeah sasuke could copy rais thing, but defo not in this fight...
He might be able to copy it to a degree, since Sasuke already has an idea on how to release the chidori around his body however, he can't reach bijuu level chakras or power up to the degree that Raikage has shown when he aimed to evade Amaterasu, so he probably won't mimick it to the maximum level as employed by Raikage if he can indeed copy it.

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He lied to Sasuke. Madara later explains to Zetsu:
Why would he lie over something so trivial? Yeah, he lies, but that lie wouldn't gain him anything because it's so insignifigant.

http://www.narutocentral.com/manga.p...ruto&c=397&p=9

http://www.narutocentral.com/manga.p...uto&c=397&p=10

He even tells Sasuke this here.

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(that's why the chapter is called a new power ... why would it be a new power if he already used it on Madara?!)
Because up until that point, the Amaterasu only served as a fail-safe to keep Madara away from him. He couldn't use it unless his eyes lock with Madara's sharingan and attacked Madara. It is a new power because Sasuke was able to use it on an actual opponent.

From what I understand, Itachi sealed all his Mangekyou Sharingan techniques into him however, without the Mangekyou Sharingan, Sasuke is unable to use those techniques because he lacked the power. Once Sasuke awakened the Mangekyou Sharingan, he gained the power to be able to use Itachi's techniques. That's how I understand it.
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Because it is taijutsu. All taijutsu is, is physical movements, which all can be mimicked by the sharingan. If the sharingan can copy handwriting style, it can copy taijutsu. And Kakashi trained Sasuke's body to endure the speed used when Lee removes his weights, though at the time, Sasuke's stamina was too low for him to maintain those speeds for extend periods of time. Opening chakra gates is something that has to be taught and trained to maintain.



He might be able to copy it to a degree, since Sasuke already has an idea on how to release the chidori around his body however, he can't reach bijuu level chakras or power up to the degree that Raikage has shown when he aimed to evade Amaterasu, so he probably won't mimick it to the maximum level as employed by Raikage if he can indeed copy it.



what I understand, Itachi sealed all his Mangekyou Sharingan techniques into him however, without the Mangekyou Sharingan, Sasuke is unable to use those techniques because he lacked the power. Once Sasuke awakened the Mangekyou Sharingan, he gained the power to be able to use Itachi's techniques. That's how I understand it.
I thought the sharingan could copy taijutsu,ninjutsu and genjutsu because it can see chakra flow and moulding and see physical movement at reduced speed.http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/12/06/
http://leafninja.com/doujutsu.php
Itachi sealed amaterasu in Sasuke and maybe tsukiyomi as well but Susanoo is for every Uchiha that masters 2 MS techs.
Is Enton Kagutsuchi part of amaterasu or a seperate MS tech keep in mind that it's on a seperate eye?
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From what I understand, Itachi sealed all his Mangekyou Sharingan techniques into him however, without the Mangekyou Sharingan, Sasuke is unable to use those techniques because he lacked the power. Once Sasuke awakened the Mangekyou Sharingan, he gained the power to be able to use Itachi's techniques. That's how I understand it.
I understand what you're saying. But how do you know when Sasuke's using Itachi's techinque or when he uses his own. The thing I hate is that people say Sasuke uses Itachi's techniques, which is not true. He uses Mangekyou Sharingan techniques. When he awakened the Mangekyou he also awakened the jutsus that come with it. When he used Amaterasu on Killer Bee it was his own technique. The same with Tsukuyomi and Susano'o. Sasuke even said that Susano'o can be used only by the ones that control the double Mangekyou. That means that all who awaken Mangekyou have the potential to learn Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi, and when they learn them both they can use Susano'o.
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Sasuke is using his own MS and MS jutsu. Madara was assuming the whole time that Itachi gave Sasuke all his abilities, but we only Saw Itachi's MS do 1 MS jutsu in Sasuke's eye. All of Sasuke's MS jutsu have been done with his own MS. Those are the jutsu's that awoke on that day he got MS, same as Itachi. If Sasuke is using Itachi's MS jutsus we should see Itachi's eye again. When Sasuke gets PMS, Itashi's MS pattern should appear inside the Star of David and start spinning. Might look cool.

Itachi showed him what he would be able to do with MS, putting out your own fire, Susanoo and how well and fast is can defend u. However, the 2 arm Susanoo seems like maybe it could be his and Itachi's combined, but maybe it's just the dark chakra, and wherever it's source is, effecting his powers like that. Maybe not. Itachi set up a fail safe like Madara said. Fail was as far as he got, and it was intended solely for Madara. Sasuke gets his own MS he would be using his own MS powers that awoke that day in this fight at the summit. Karins found the Hokage. She wants to get out of there more than anyone because she is scared as shit. She will tell Sasuke where Danzou is so they can go get him and "be done with it already."
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Sasuske is 2 cocky he will lose
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^yeah, he will lose. prob run out of chakra. He's facing gaara who also has enormous amt of chakra.

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