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Old 10-14-2009, 03:21 PM   #1
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Minato fucked up Madara

This is what I think.

Minato knew that Kyuubi was controled. He may have known by who, but this is not important. So, although he COULDN'T defeat Kyuubi, he decided to seal it into Naruto.

Now, why did he sealed only one half of the Kyuubi...simple...if Madara ever tries to snatch the Kyuubi he won't get the whole one and it would fuck up his plans. Even if he could control the Kyuubi, which by the way I believe he can since he controled it after being defeated by the 1st hokage, while Kyuubi is still inside Naruto, that won't be possible since there is only half of Kyuubi inside Naruto.

So, he really did fucked up Madaras plans...didn't he...
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Old 10-14-2009, 03:27 PM   #2
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Re: Minato fucked up Madara

he sealed the whole kyuubi in naruto he just split the dark part from the light part.... if he only sealed half then naruto wouldn't be able to go all nine tails which is what was about to happen against Pain....

w/e minato did will end up fucking madara in the end thats how kishi set it up he did stop madara's plans for 16 years by taking away his greatest weapon the Kyuubi..

Madara's death will be thanks to minato's planning basically minato is gonna kill him from the grave.
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Old 10-14-2009, 03:33 PM   #3
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he sealed the whole kyuubi in naruto he just split the dark part from the light part.... if he only sealed half then naruto wouldn't be able to go all nine tails which is what was about to happen against Pain....

w/e minato did will end up fucking madara in the end thats how kishi set it up he did stop madara's plans for 16 years by taking away his greatest weapon the Kyuubi..

Madara's death will be thanks to minato's planning basically minato is gonna kill him from the grave.
Wait...wasn't it like only half of Kyuubi's chakra is in Naruto and God knows where is the other half...doubt that Madara could do shit without the other half
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Minato just wanted the Kyuubi out of the equation as a weapon to be used vs. Konoha. It was used vs. the 1st and I'm pretty sure Minato prolly knew about that, then the second time when it attacked Konoha. Its possible that other villages had already started placing bijuu inside of humans, and Minato was left without much of a choice. The Kyuubi just can't be beaten by anything or anyone except for the 1st's control, Madara's control, or the 'Jyuubi'. Minato I'd assume ran out of options, and couldn't pierce the Kyuubi with anything. He prolly used seals to that didn't contain the beast as well.
Also after watching the Anime, Jiraiya and a toad had a conversation talking about the Kyuubi's chakra, as well as the seal on Naruto. I gathered that BOTH halves of the Kyuubi's chakra is inside of Naruto, and the seal separates it.

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Old 10-14-2009, 03:38 PM   #5
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Minato just wanted the Kyuubi out of the equation as a weapon to be used vs. Konoha. It was used vs. the 1st and I'm pretty sure Minato prolly knew about that, then the second time when it attacked Konoha. Its possible that other villages had already started placing bijuu inside of humans, and Minato was left without much of a choice. The Kyuubi just can't be beaten by anything or anyone except for the 1st's control, Madara's control, or the 'Jyuubi'. Minato I'd assume ran out of options, and couldn't pierce the Kyuubi with anything. He prolly used seals to that didn't contain the beast as well.
Let's not forget that Pain almost defeated Kyuubi. If he was at full health I bet he would seal the damn thing in a huge rock...which is kindda impresive.
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Old 10-14-2009, 03:50 PM   #6
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Let's not forget that Pain almost defeated Kyuubi. If he was at full health I bet he would seal the damn thing in a huge rock...which is kindda impresive.
no Pain himself knew that holding down the kyuubi was a lost cause doesn't matter how much stronger the chibaku tensei was..

Remember when naruto broke out he said "I never believed he'd be stronger then chibaku tensei" Pain said this knowing his full ability overall... and that was only 8 tails the full 9 would obliterate everything...

as for why Minato sealed the kyuubi he said himself why.. 1 to protect Konoha and 2 because he learned something that night he saw someone hiding and controlling it.. Obviously Minato as smart as he was pieced it all together and knew it had to be madara perhaps as far fetched as it sounded he didn't want to take a chance and left the kyuubi to his son fully knowing that you can't kill madara without having something really big...

The jutsu he wanted naruto to complete seems like it needs the kyuubi chakra to be controlled fully as well.. even the frog was shocked when jiraiya implied that naruto would need "this" jutsu and then his "premonition" about madara came the next panel.. its obvious to anyone that minato ultimate jutsu requires kyuubi controlling.. this is the jutsu that is gonna kill madara.... Minato's Final Plan....
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Yeah full 9 tails is unstoppable, by anyone except Madara currently.
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Now, why did he sealed only one half of the Kyuubi...simple...
I thought he had too. I'm under the impression when he used God Reaper, he intended on stopping the Kyuubi however, if he sealed all of it away into the Reaper's stomach, there would be none left for Naruto, so he saved the other half and gave it to Naruto.

So, it could have easily been Naruto without a Kyuubi at all (which means Madara could never get it)... Though, Naruto wouldn't have been shunned by the village, he might have graduated 2 years earlier from the academy. Minato even said he was a bad father (though he just believed his son could control the Kyuubi because he was his son).

So Minato had faith in his son's ability despite what his son might have felt towards him once the truth came out. Minato could have rid the world of the Kyuubi forever, but he made his son a target, and gives Madara a reason to hunt and kill him. Minato must have some crazy faith in his son...

edit: Though who would be able to stop Madara's Bijuu army? So I guess you have to overweigh the pros and cons. I'll just say Minato didn't shit too much on Madara, he just made things a little bit more difficult for him. He potentially shits on his plot, I'll say that.
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Re: Minato fucked up Madara

we dont know why madara attacked konoha with kyuubi 16 y ago, then konoha didnt have any biju, but it could be that madara wanted to kill minato before he could become even more powerful

so it could be that they fucked up each other XD
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I thought he had too. I'm under the impression when he used God Reaper, he intended on stopping the Kyuubi however, if he sealed all of it away into the Reaper's stomach, there would be none left for Naruto, so he saved the other half and gave it to Naruto.

So, it could have easily been Naruto without a Kyuubi at all (which means Madara could never get it)... Though, Naruto wouldn't have been shunned by the village, he might have graduated 2 years earlier from the academy. Minato even said he was a bad father (though he just believed his son could control the Kyuubi because he was his son).

So Minato had faith in his son's ability despite what his son might have felt towards him once the truth came out. Minato could have rid the world of the Kyuubi forever, but he made his son a target, and gives Madara a reason to hunt and kill him. Minato must have some crazy faith in his son...

edit: Though who would be able to stop Madara's Bijuu army? So I guess you have to overweigh the pros and cons. I'll just say Minato didn't shit too much on Madara, he just made things a little bit more difficult for him. He potentially shits on his plot, I'll say that.

But once u use God Reaper, your life it taken into his stomach as well, but Minato's "life" is clearly in Naruto.

The reason Minato had that crazy faith in his newborn son is because Minato knew that his son would genetically have his "special" super stamina and therefore super chakra, to be able to withstand Kyuubi and use Kyuubi against "the man in the mask" someday. Minato knew his blood potential and since his son looked just like him, he figuired he got all his good genes as well, maybe even stronger. Sometimes certain genes take generations to be seen again, and sometimes u can pass them right to your next offspring.

I honestly wouldnt be surprised if Madara wanted Mianto to seal Kyuubi. How long has Madara's plan been to get all the beast? Madara definitely saw what Minato did to Kyuubi so he knew who the blond baby was. I think Madara wanted all the beast to be sealed, also causing the 4th, his only potential threat in this world, to kill himself. Minato may have not been able to kill Madara, but Madara may not have been able to kill Minato either. Not without risking his "life" against the true genius, Kyuubi sealing chakra monster with super speed Minato was.

Once Madara had all the beast sealed and Minato gone, he focused on building Akatsuki to capture them while waiting for Itachi and Sasuke to grow up. I guess Madara figuired since he is gonna be here forever, he might as well put a long plan in play. Negato, being a big part of his plan, had to grow up and go to the dark side with the help of Danzou 1st and then act as the leader while Madara plays the background.

Madara probably feeln like he done already personally done BIG THINGS in this world, and even his only defeat he managed to live on "forever." He put in so much work, he just wanna recruit his own squad and play "the boss" and make things happen that way. Sit back and smoke a cigar and give orders behind his mask of a wizard of oz curtain.
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I always did think that Madara''s real goal was to take out Minato ands just make it look like an attack on the village.. I've this many times but can you imagine..

Only time will tell if madara really did want to get rid of minato...
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But once u use God Reaper, your life it taken into his stomach as well, but Minato's "life" is clearly in Naruto.

The reason Minato had that crazy faith in his newborn son is because Minato knew that his son would genetically have his "special" super stamina and therefore super chakra, to be able to withstand Kyuubi and use Kyuubi against "the man in the mask" someday. Minato knew his blood potential and since his son looked just like him, he figuired he got all his good genes as well, maybe even stronger. Sometimes certain genes take generations to be seen again, and sometimes u can pass them right to your next offspring.

I honestly wouldnt be surprised if Madara wanted Mianto to seal Kyuubi. How long has Madara's plan been to get all the beast? Madara definitely saw what Minato did to Kyuubi so he knew who the blond baby was. I think Madara wanted all the beast to be sealed, also causing the 4th, his only potential threat in this world, to kill himself. Minato may have not been able to kill Madara, but Madara may not have been able to kill Minato either. Not without risking his "life" against the true genius, Kyuubi sealing chakra monster with super speed Minato was.

Once Madara had all the beast sealed and Minato gone, he focused on building Akatsuki to capture them while waiting for Itachi and Sasuke to grow up. I guess Madara figuired since he is gonna be here forever, he might as well put a long plan in play. Negato, being a big part of his plan, had to grow up and go to the dark side with the help of Danzou 1st and then act as the leader while Madara plays the background.

Madara probably feeln like he done already personally done BIG THINGS in this world, and even his only defeat he managed to live on "forever." He put in so much work, he just wanna recruit his own squad and play "the boss" and make things happen that way. Sit back and smoke a cigar and give orders behind his mask of a wizard of oz curtain.
This is what i think Minato may have done, Listen closely:

When the thrid used the god reaper technique he referred to it as Minato's technique hence variations could be made to the jutsu. So What i think Minato did was this: When you use that technique your soul and the soul of what you're sealing goes in the death god's stomach, but if you put something else in it's place I.E. an infant you would be sealed in the baby or Naruto. This could explain why he appered when the seal was about to be broken. Minato was very clever this could just be a theory but it could also be a fact. What do you guys think?
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He taught the third death god but obviously the third isn't like Minato. Minato created the jutsu thus he knows everything about it how it wrks etc etc all the back doors... this his technique.

also Liondemon you made a mistake you see madara already formed akatsuki by the kyuubi attack itachi wasn't part of the group yes but they were already in motion... he started to move about the day he lost to Shodai...

the group was already made up a bit by the time itachi joined.... im sure of that.
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He taught the third death god but obviously the third isn't like Minato. Minato created the jutsu thus he knows everything about it how it wrks etc etc all the back doors... this his technique.

also Liondemon you made a mistake you see madara already formed akatsuki by the kyuubi attack itachi wasn't part of the group yes but they were already in motion... he started to move about the day he lost to Shodai...

the group was already made up a bit by the time itachi joined.... im sure of that.


What i meant was that if minato hinself decided to put something else in place of the death god that he coold because it was his jutsu,
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