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Old 10-10-2009, 10:12 AM   #31
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After he became its jink RS became the ninja equivalent of a god, since there is no proof that he had the RG before he became a jink it could very well be that he acquired it afterwards.
I read the whole post and you guys forget.................... NAGATO. SHARINGAN holds similar aspects of the juubi and RS, but tainted. Rikkodou sennin's DNA was tainted, but he no doubt had it in him to slit aspects of his DNA between his sons. Look at pein summons, all of them as the rinnegan, pein controls them. Answer was right in front of you all the whole time. And like one of you stated, holding the bijuu alters the DNA somewhat, if kyuubi was to be removed from naruto the traits might still hold in his DNA.

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Obviously this line of thought has holes in it such as the BG ( it has to be a mutation at this point, its just too weak ), and why the RG didn't manifest at a mass scale like the SG.

Well, the taint of the beast afforded certain abilities, are they better the RS, no, but the MS puts them on certain level. Not the size of the ability, but how you use it. The main basis of ninja arts is DECEPTION and having the sharingan takes out the guesswork, you can see through illusions, techniques, etc. YOU might wonder how Senju managed against Uchiha at all, well imagine having to be able to se your opponent through a forset they control, or someone who can create a large lake and swim and manipulate it from under you. I made several threads on byakugan, this ability is hinderd seriously by kishi, if you must think of it as sharingan without this taint of the juubi's chakra. The sennin had the eye and the body, I will say it is NOT a mutation, but and expression of the RS genes express through senju along the way, and those with it, kept it within the clan. Go use a search and read my argument for byakugan threads, and see why I always defend it.
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I honestly think that the Six Realms Sage made a mistake. Yes, love and understanding can bring peace however, without the power to make it happen, such words become hollow and ambitions become pipe dreams. I'm shocked that the Six Realms Sage could only see peace coming about through sentimental means only. Pretty words are nice however, they hold little water without an iron fist supporting as the backbone.
dont be naive, u cant force peace on someone, RS chose yonger brother because he thought that he will have bigger chance to bring peace

love and understanding just maybe can bring peace but any kind of force certainly can not

there is the irony, u must behave like u live in the world of peace and love (and all that crap) to have any chance of creating that kind of world


OT: it could be that RS got RG from 10 tail but i wouldnt bet on it, if there is an eye that could see through anything than it is the one that 10 tail have, minato manage to seal kyuubi but i dont thing he would be able to seal 10 tail easily like that, RS obviously needed to have some kind of amazing and unique power to be able to do what he did

beside it could be just much more powerful sharingan and not fuzion of RG and sharingan...
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dont be naive, u cant force peace on someone, RS chose yonger brother because he thought that he will have bigger chance to bring peace

love and understanding just maybe can bring peace but any kind of force certainly can not

there is the irony, u must behave like u live in the world of peace and love (and all that crap) to have any chance of creating that kind of world
I think you didn't take what I was saying in the correct sense. I meant that love and understanding alone can't bring peace however, I also said that power alone can't bring peace because that will cause hatred through imposing. There has to be a balance, that is why both should have been chosen to carry on the peace legacy. I don't remember it being impossible with two inheirtors to carry on the venerable Sage's will; the venerable Sage just made it so.
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no i get u first time, and i stand by what i said

u cant use force for the sake of peace, only time when it is necessary to use force is when ur protecting someone or yourself, any other time force brings only hatred, revenge, war...

RS knew that older brother have no chance to bring peace, but younger have and that is how it will be in this manga it seems
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juubi is ugly. only 1 eye = ugly. no wonder it was so mad.
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i have a doubt about the juubi's image.. 90%its the ged0 maza... but do u have the manga where madara gets his EMS... a monster is shown here... 4 eyed monster with a circle on forehead... i am new to forums... can any one display tat page 4 me...pls..
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i have a doubt about the juubi's image.. 90%its the ged0 maza... but do u have the manga where madara gets his EMS... a monster is shown here... 4 eyed monster with a circle on forehead... i am new to forums... can any one display tat page 4 me...pls..
This one:
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/386/09/

And here's another pic:
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/386/13/

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u cant use force for the sake of peace, only time when it is necessary to use force is when ur protecting someone or yourself, any other time force brings only hatred, revenge, war...
Either way brings hatred and war; it works both ways. You protect the ones you care for by harming the opposing side however, the opposing side's family and love ones wants revenge. It is an endless chain regardless how it is said.

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RS knew that older brother have no chance to bring peace, but younger have and that is how it will be in this manga it seems
However, by picking the younger brother, the older one became jealous and held contempt for his brother. Would things have been better if the venerable sage chose the older one? After all, the younger one loves and what not; can you tell me that the younger one would have been ok with it and forgave him? Or, are you saying he would have nulled his kindness and sought revenge for not having the position?
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Either way brings hatred and war; it works both ways. You protect the ones you care for by harming the opposing side however, the opposing side's family and love ones wants revenge. It is an endless chain regardless how it is said.



However, by picking the younger brother, the older one became jealous and held contempt for his brother. Would things have been better if the venerable sage chose the older one? After all, the younger one loves and what not; can you tell me that the younger one would have been ok with it and forgave him? Or, are you saying he would have nulled his kindness and sought revenge for not having the position?
by picking the elder brother thngs would have been worse.. the younger brother having kindness as his weakness would have allowed his brothers wishes to fulfill... he would have tot tat dad picked him... he would have tot his brother's evil ways r rite...

later on he would have realised his mistake and would have resorted to go against his brother..

in either way a dispute is sure.... but RS did prolong this unchangable fate.. i think..
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Either way brings hatred and war; it works both ways. You protect the ones you care for by harming the opposing side however, the opposing side's family and love ones wants revenge. It is an endless chain regardless how it is said.
nope, revenge is all about justice, someone kills someone for no reason and family of that person wants justice\revenge, but if someone kills someone in self defence then family of that person cant ask for justice\revenge because then revenge would lose all meaning

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However, by picking the younger brother, the older one became jealous and held contempt for his brother. Would things have been better if the venerable sage chose the older one? After all, the younger one loves and what not; can you tell me that the younger one would have been ok with it and forgave him? Or, are you saying he would have nulled his kindness and sought revenge for not having the position?
no younger wouldnt attack older brother, it is like with naruto and sasuke, when sasuke was stronger than all naruto wanted is to be like him and for sasuke to acknowledge him, but when sasuke felt like he is weaker than naruto he wanted to fight him

also, while naruto was feling weaker he was still able ti laugh, make stupid jokes and make frends and care for other ppl, it wasnt the most important to him to be stronger, further more he wanted to be strong because he wanted for sasuke to be his frend; but when sasuke felt weaker he could think only about that and everything else become unimportant

there is the diference betven those who strive for love, frendship.... and those who strive for strenght, might and such things
- so no, younger wouldnt attack older, he would try to help him because like i said before - irony is that u have to behave like u live in world of peace to have any chance to create such world, witch also means that u have to be kinda naive XD

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by picking the elder brother thngs would have been worse.. the younger brother having kindness as his weakness would have allowed his brothers wishes to fulfill... he would have tot tat dad picked him... he would have tot his brother's evil ways r rite...

later on he would have realised his mistake and would have resorted to go against his brother..

in either way a dispute is sure.... but RS did prolong this unchangable fate.. i think..
the manga never said that the older brother was evil, its just that he had a less daisy approach to achieving piece
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Ok Stubborn donkey, how do you break it up please and if your not willingly to tell me, then please DONT offer me no advice in future
So you can post the second bit and i shouldnt be allowed to if i dont tell you? Why be so rude?

Anyways, here is a quotes for noobs guide


1. A basic quote

[*QUOTE][*/QUOTE]

(the * need to be removed for it to work, I put them in so you can see the text) is a basic quote that just wraps something in a quote without saying who quoted it who quoted so

[*QUOTE]this is a quote[*/QUOTE] without any * would look like
Quote:
this is a quote

Edit: there is a button for this, it looks like a speech bubble. If you select text and then press the button the selected text will automatically be wrapped with the quote tag


2. A quote that says who said it

[*QUOTE=who said it][*/QUOTE] this adds who said the post, manually putting that there can be useful when quoting something external. Example:

[*QUOTE=Mangastream]Remember all you sexy bastards out there, Naruto, Bleach, OP, FT, etc. all on break this week. Feel free to take your rage out on us[*/QUOTE] without any * would look like
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Remember all you sexy bastards out there, Naruto, Bleach, OP, FT, etc. all on break this week. Feel free to take your rage out on us
3. A quote that says who said it and links to the post where it was said

[*QUOTE=who said it;X][*/QUOTE]

Where X is the post number.

For the post that i originally quoted it would look like this

[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164]Ok Stubborn donkey, how do you break it up please and if your not willingly to tell me, then please DONT offer me no advice in future[*/QUOTE]

That is what you get when you press the quote button.

4. Breaking up a quote

Now that you know how quotes work it all boils down to preference, how you want it to look like and how you want to do it.

One way of doing it is copying the latter part of the original quote [*/QUOTE] and then pasting it after each section you break up, write your reply, choose the text you want then paste it after that portion, repeat till you finish the go back and copy then paste the first part of the text at the beginning of each portion of text. Of course you can immediately copy and paste both parts of a poste so that you dont forget one in the end.

The end result would be something like this

[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164]Ok Stubborn donkey,[*/QUOTE]
My reply 1
[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164] how do you break it up please[*/QUOTE]
my reply 2
[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164]and if your not willingly to tell me, [*/QUOTE]
my reply 3
[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164]then please DONT offer me no advice in future[*/QUOTE]
my reply 4



Which without any * would look like

Quote:
Originally Posted by minato uchiha View Post
Ok Stubborn donkey,
My reply 1
Quote:
Originally Posted by minato uchiha View Post
how do you break it up please
my reply 2
Quote:
Originally Posted by minato uchiha View Post
and if your not willingly to tell me,
my reply 3
Quote:
Originally Posted by minato uchiha View Post
then please DONT offer me no advice in future
my reply 4


Another way of doing it would be to cut and paste the second part of the quote tag after the first section of text you want to seperate then write your reply select the second part and hit he quote button (it looks like a text bubble),if you do that without anything else the end result would be

[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164]Ok Stubborn donkey,[*/QUOTE]
My reply 1
[*QUOTE] how do you break it up please[*/QUOTE]
my reply 2
[*QUOTE]and if your not willingly to tell me, [*/QUOTE]
my reply 3
[*QUOTE]then please DONT offer me no advice in future[*/QUOTE]
my reply 4

Which would look like

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Ok Stubborn donkey,
My reply 1
Quote:
how do you break it up please
my reply 2
Quote:
and if your not willingly to tell me,
my reply 3
Quote:
then please DONT offer me no advice in future
my reply 4

To make it like the previous example (which wpuld be preferred, though not necessary ) copy the part that says who posted with the link to the post and paste it accordingly to the proper part in each first half of each quote tag. In my I would copy =minato uchiha;2118164 and paste it where the # is
[*QUOTE#] to get [*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164] (of course with the * removed)


Of course you can use any other method you like to get to the end result, but now that you know what the end rwsult looks like I think there shouldnt be any problems
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Re: Juubi's eye, another doujutsu?

my theory is if the 10 tails really gave him the rinnegan it would not look like the rinnegan it would like like its own sharingan looking eyes, which makes me feel that he possessed the rinnegan even before his battle and the manga has said that the rinnegan only appears in an individual when here is great turmoil in the land, and if possessing the ten tails would give you the rinnegan was really true then nagato would not possess the eyes in the first place without having the 10 tails sealed within him...
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nope, revenge is all about justice, someone kills someone for no reason and family of that person wants justice\revenge, but if someone kills someone in self defence then family of that person cant ask for justice\revenge because then revenge would lose all meaning
That's not how this manga works anyway. Going by that logic (real logic) Naruto shouldn't give a damn about Sasuke however, he said that if Sasuke was targeted, Konoha friends would feel obligated to avenge their one time comrade (despite his short comings).

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no younger wouldnt attack older brother, it is like with naruto and sasuke, when sasuke was stronger than all naruto wanted is to be like him and for sasuke to acknowledge him, but when sasuke felt like he is weaker than naruto he wanted to fight him
That's because Sasuke is a prick, plus Itachi's words rang beating in his head in regards to getting stronger. He wanted to see if he really had it in him to either kill Naruto, or have enough hatred to pose a threat to Itachi. Though, you prove my point that it was possible that the two brothers wouldn't have broken apart. If the younger brother cared and respected his brother so much, he'd try to work with him and develop a healty way for peace, not fend him off. Perhaps the venerable Sage should have chosen the older one, as the younger one would have understood and helped his brother out in whatever way possible.
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my thoughts:

rikudo sennin was born with the rinnegan. but his body is that of an average ninja. not strong. not fast. but he got the most powerful and the only doujutsu at the time. he trained them. and made lots of jutsus from it. thus was born ninjutsu. he was the creator.

juubi was a monster. a ten tailed monster which tried to wreck havoc to the planet. it got very immense chakra. and it got another doujutsu as well, the second doujutsu that was known to the world. the sharingan. eyes that are more sinister than the rinnegan. with eyes and body as it wields, the juubi almost destroyed everything. until he stumbled upon rikudou sennin.

as strong the juubi was, and as sinister his eyes were, it was no match against rikudou sennin, the sage of the 6 paths, whose jutsus are far more effective than the bijuus attacks. rinnegan after all is the stronger doujutsu. At the end of their war, the sage of the 6 paths emerged victorious.and for his victory prize, he took the 10tail, sealed it inside himself using perfect sealing techs from rinnegan. thus he became the worlds first jinchuriki.

rikudou sennin upon gaining access to the 10 tails power,became more like a god. his rinnegan eyes became infused with the bijuus sharingan. his body became a lot stronger, with chakra levels jumping into multiples of N. body and eyes, he became a GOD.

then rikudou sennin got laid, had 2 kids. one with the eyes granted by the power of the beast, one with the body granted by the power of the beast. thus was born the very first uchiha,with the beasts sharingan, and the very first senju, with the beasts chakra levels. the rinnegan was not imparted in his genes. it was not passed down to generations. it was his, and his alone. until fate gives it out again on a random being.

and the rest of the story goes, rikudou senin died, but before his death separated the 10 tails into 9 separate chakra beasts. and the physical body of the juubi is shot at the moon. the reason why both senju and uchiha has means to control the 9 existing bijuus was this: they are a part of the juubi as the 9 bijuus are a part of the juubi.

so question is, why was it said that the byakugan was the purest form doujutsu, and sharingan just evolved from it? i think it would be because, there were some uchihas who has had incestuous relationships with their first cousins. and because of genetic culling, their babies have achieved the simplest form of the sharingan, the byakugan. then they made a separate clan.,then history got lost, people forget, and then byakugan wielders now known as hyuga clan began spreading tales how their eyes is the purest form of doujutsu and sharingan is an evolved from it. in a sense it is true, because byakugan is a devolution from sharingan.
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Re: Juubi's eye, another doujutsu?

this seems feasible. RS had rinnegan with him all along, then he controlled the juubi, then the ripple pattern of rinnegan appeared on the juubi's eyes (similar to pain's summons). the original sharingan is so powerful, it didn't disappear and instead blended with the rinnegan. thus, appearing to be a new dojutsu but in actuality, it is just a sharingan eye being taken over by rinnegan.
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