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Silverblade · 10-20-2009, 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Myth

@silverblade how he would own kirabi let's see.. he can suppress chakra of bijju with his seal. that he gave kakashi... he can use hermit mode he can use hell swamp he can use frog genjutsu which btw would own him... he can use plenty of things...

Orochimaru healthy 100% like against sarutobi would the fuck outta him he can use zombie hashirama to suppress kirabi fully..= owned...

he can for sure beat tsunade...

That seal is for the Kyuubi not other bijuu. It would be more difficult to use once the jinchuuriki reach higher levels. Plus the seal needs to be applied directly to the forehead.

Sage Mode Jiraiya? His sage mode is watered down compared to Naruto Sage mode.

Come on he needs Two frogs to remain in sage mode. Plus that genjutsu of his takes some time to use. Killerbee won't stand there and be like any day now.. He would kill Pa or Ma frog if he see the genjutsu coming.

Either Ma or Pa dies. He is not in Sage mode anymore.

What would KB do against Jiraiya's techniques?
Swamp of the Underworld: Escape from it or defeat it with a lightning technique.

Jiraiya's Giant Rasengan: Use his Rari-Atto Techinique to rip through it since he used 4 or 5 tails for the Technique.

Gamabunta and the frog crew: Killerbee might have a small challenge. But probably go Bijuu mode to handle it.

Jiraiya hair jutsu - Needle storm: He would deflect every strand of hair with those swords.

Frog genjutsu: Infact. Once Killerbee starts rapping. Ma and Pa would lose focus and the genjutsu turns on them for witnessing such fail.
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We haven't Killerbee gone all out yet to be honest. But J-man doesn't stand a chance. He has power and speed of a beast.

Katon/Fire doesn't burn anything in this manga.

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As for Orochimaru. You won on that part with Edo Tensei. But Orochimaru himself would lose.

Myth · 10-20-2009, 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Silverblade

That seal is for the Kyuubi not other bijuu. It would be more difficult to use once the jinchuuriki reach higher levels. Plus the seal needs to be applied directly to the forehead.

Can you show us where it was stated to be only for the kyuubi lol.. and in any case if he was skilled enough to make a seal for a the kyuubi same would go for all bijju.. he's a master in seals matter fact only minato beats him out in seals.

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Sage Mode Jiraiya? His sage mode is watered down compared to Naruto Sage mode.

Actually he's sage mode has no limit because the frogs gather the energy for him thus he can dish out technique after technique.. Frog genjutsu and its over.

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Come on he needs Two frogs to remain in sage mode. Plus that genjutsu of his takes some time to use. Killerbee won't stand there and be like any day now.. He would kill Pa or Ma frog if he see the genjutsu coming.

he's not pain he can't use gravity to pull shit in nor would jiraiya stand around like an idiot.. for him to do what you are implying means for jiraiya to stand still..

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What would KB do against Jiraiya's techniques?
Swamp of the Underworld: Escape from it or defeat it with a lightning technique.

Defeat what he'd be 100's of feet under and jiraiya can stretch it anywhere and make it as deep as he wants.. he can also catch him in frog stomach..

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Jiraiya's Giant Rasengan: Use his Rari-Atto Techinique to rip through it since he used 4 or 5 tails for the Technique.

you're beyond delusional if you think kirabi has shit on Ultimate rasengan and before you keep spewing crap read up buddy his rarri atto bullshit is in 1 tailed form.. nice try though...

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Gamabunta and the frog crew: Killerbee might have a small challenge. But probably go Bijuu mode to handle it.

the fight would be over before this

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Jiraiya hair jutsu - Needle storm: He would deflect every strand of hair with those swords.

they don't fly numb nuts its his hair extended and they can't be deflected lmfaoo.. wow you're a sad case.

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Frog genjutsu: Infact. Once Killerbee starts rapping. Ma and Pa would lose focus and the genjutsu turns on them for witnessing such fail.

after this little statement you've proved to be one of the most horrible posters on this board.
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Katon/Fire doesn't burn anything in this manga.

Correction, the uchiha katon don't do shit in this manga, jiraiya's katon is very effective actually cause they are all A rank or higher and he juices them with oil which give double the effect, even fat pain took a while to absorb it if jiraiya touches kirabi with hell fryer he's crisp instantly.

The Special One · 10-20-2009, 02:55 AM

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Correction, the uchiha katon don't do shit in this manga, jiraiya's katon is very effective actually cause they are all A rank or higher and he juices them with oil which give double the effect, even fat pain took a while to absorb it if jiraiya touches kirabi with hell fryer he's crisp instantly.

Sasuke has one solid fire elemental ninjutsu. Great Dragon Fire jutsu (B Rank), the one he used to burst open the ceiling and heat up the sky to create cumulous clouds seems to be pretty decent attack in terms of raw power. We've never seen an A rank let alone an S rank fire elemental jutsu. Though, Jiraiya's were very decent when he implented the oil. On Gamabunta, the oil + Jiraiya's fire was still B Rank (Despite its range and assumed power).

The Fire Blast he used in Sage Mode was B rank (The one when he was a shadow clone). The combined Sage Art's combined fire technique with the sennin toads fire, wind, and Jiraiya's oil might be A Ranked, but we can't be for sure, as the database doesn't give ranks to senjutsu. I thought Kakuzu's fire elemental ninjutsu was A rank, as it covered a lot of ground and range. But it got a B rank. Maybe the combined masks of wind, and fire might have made it A ranked, but I'm not sure. Kishi down plays the effect of fire a lot in this manga by having people avoid it, or by having c rank fire elemental ninjutsu fly everywhere.

(Let's not count Amaterasu since only Sasuke and Itachi could use it, and its more like an embedded power.)

thegodfather2450 · 10-20-2009, 03:28 AM

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Originally Posted by The Special One

I'm just saying Sage Mode isn't practical for Jiraiya to rely on unless he is given sufficient time. If he's fighting someone who potentially fast liker Killer Bee (definitely faster when the tailed when he has his tailed states on) he runs the risk of being intercepted while he tries to go into Sage Mode.

and that's where pa and ma come ,they help him be a sage for alonger period than naruto could.when ever jiraiya loses chakra due to the jutsu he used they pack him up however naruto didn't have that advantage

The Special One · 10-20-2009, 04:00 AM

^That's not my point. It takes a while for him to summon the Sennin Toads, and he's partically defenseless while he's gathering the chakra required for the summoning as he needs Gamaken, or a toad boss to fend off threats while he's gaining the chakra. Based on Jiraiya's response, I'm under the impression that he needs their help to be able to balance natural energy as well. Once he gets into it, he's fine, but he's not impervious to threats while he gathers the chakra for the Sennin Toads's summoning.

Against a fast paced opponent who attacks a close range, Jiraiya would have a hard time defending. From the chapter when Jiraiya was gathering the chakra, he just stood on top of his toad not moving. What would he do if a person just jumped up on there and attacked? God Realm was able to avoid Gamabunta and escape through his palm (when he was facing Naruto). What would have happened if God realm was on the field at that moment?

Getting into Sage Mode for Jiriaya is the danger thing, especially against an abled bodied opponent. Jiraiya couldn't afford to make shadow clones to back him up (because he needs the chakras for the summoning, and he can't afford to waste a lot of chakra in battle, becaus he needs it for the summoning.) It's a very taxing and complicated scenario. Jiraiya was just lucky he was facing off against a Pain that only used summons from long range.

mewmew · 10-20-2009, 04:28 AM

but if jiraiya knows that he's going to face a strong opponent, he would have summoned the toads prior to the battle. just like naruto went to battle with Pain, already in SM. Jiraiya got surprised by Pain too many times in their battle.

The Special One · 10-20-2009, 04:57 AM

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but if jiraiya knows that he's going to face a strong opponent, he would have summoned the toads prior to the battle. just like naruto went to battle with Pain, already in SM. Jiraiya got surprised by Pain too many times in their battle.

He told the scroll toad that he was going to face a strong opponent, as he signed over the Key to Naruto "supposedly". He should have gone into Sage Mode, or at least summoned the Sennin toads (so he could gather natural energy properly) while he was in his frog's belly before stepping outside, but that's just me. I'd like to believe he wouldn't have underestimated Pain considering what he was he heard from investigating the village as well as gathering clues from the guy he interrogated.

mewmew · 10-20-2009, 05:06 AM

he knew he was going to face a strong opponent but he wasn't expecting the rinnegan. he didn't underestimate pain. he knew too little about his opponent to prepare anything properly beforehand.

The Special One · 10-20-2009, 05:33 AM

^I'm suppose that's almost reasonable. But, what would make him prepare like that beforehand? Because he's the freakin Toad Sage and not many are on his level to his knowledge? Going by that logic he'd never prepare Sage Mode beforehand. I assumed after hearing that this guy defeated Hanzou, he should be rushing into Sage Mode while he was inside the frog all save and comfy (then again we didn't know what the hell Sage Mode was, so that point is almost null, as we assumed he'd always be in his top form)...

Kishi was kinda screwy with the details here. In my opinion... Later it was revealed that Sage Mode is at its most potent when the shinobi has a lot of allies to back him up (Jiraiya was lucky in this case as the body only used summonings from long ranged), or if the shinobi retreats to a safe location to gather natural energy. This applies to Jiraiya because he needs to spend time summoning the two Sennin, otherwise Sage Mode isn't pratical for him.

Yet his actions with Sage Mode in the battle, it contradicts Jiraiya's intellect, which would have been preparing first before going out. But I guess it is kind of screwy here. Thiss Pain guy only beat Hanzou (a man who whopped all three of the legendary Ninja when they were young). I don't know how much that meant to Jiraiya (since he was wiser as an older man, and has perfect his jutsu efficiency) but in my opinion Jiraiya should have at least took some precaution. But whatever, what happened, happened.

Widana14 · 10-20-2009, 08:18 AM

Jiraiya could transform to the sage mode longer, because Pa and Ma are the ones that collects the Natural chakra continuosly...
He can't do it right...

Naruto had to do it himself...of course not for so long, that's why he needs to extend and use Kage Bunshins to withstand the Sage mode

stubborn_d0nkey · 10-20-2009, 09:26 AM

dont you think that it is possible that the seal that j man gave kakashi had something to do with minatos seal? or even that jiraiya made preparations for the use of that seal? (he was skilled in seals as myth said) also i dont think he walks around carrying seals for any given occasion, if against KB he would have to prepare it and write, which would take time and then there is the problem of applying it

NeoKakarott023 · 10-20-2009, 09:47 AM

Please take Killerbee and Jiriaya to the VS Thread, because this is fan fiction, they would never fight, ever, for no reason, so stop predicting a winner. They are both 'good' characters thus, they'd never have a reason in this manga to battle. Name 2 'good' shinobi that fought, and I'd understand, it just dosen't happen in Naruto, so please leave room for some real predictions instead of somebodies wet dream of a fight. The only Sannin that is possible for this discussion is Orochimaru, and I believe he'd win over KB. Bijuu's aren't unbeatable, 7 has been collected already so people should stop putting Bijuu up to God Realms status. Currently Naruto PLUS the Kyuubi are the only ones that could withstand Pein, Hachibi would've gotten own'd by God Realm. Orochimaru healthy like vs. 4Tailed Naruto would equal defeat for KillerBee.
I wonder what happens first, I think Kishi will make peoples mouths water by not starting the battle between KB & Kisame until the middle of the chapter, a lot of talking by both Sakura, and KB's Master will take up most of the chapter.

freedom07 · 10-20-2009, 09:57 AM

tch myth u hype jiraiya too much

you mentioned frog genjutsu and its over...

we dont even know that much about it ..if thats the case then how about tsykomi and its over ?!?!? hahaha
also frog gen took a long time and for jiraiya to run to use remember
i guess your comeback could be the drawbacks for tsykomi but you always see the drawbacks of the characters you hate and not for the ones you love... konoha nins are the best but bee is better than jiraiya

oh plus jiraiyas frog gen wouldnt do anything to bee, coz of bijuu thing

you also said that theres no evidence the seal was only for kyubii , well do you have evidence that its for all bijuu?

Myth · 10-20-2009, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by freedom07

we dont even know that much about it ..if thats the case then how about tsykomi and its over ?!?!? hahaha

When you laugh at least make sure you have something...Frog genjutsu is the strognest genjutsu to date it makes tsukuyomi look like shit.. because unlike tsukuyomi and other genjutsu this genjutsu renders your body useless you are fully paralyzed.. at least in the other genjutsu you retain control of your body... in frog genjutsu Pain couldn't even blink thats how paralyzed he was.

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also frog gen took a long time and for jiraiya to run to use remember
i guess your comeback could be the drawbacks for tsykomi but you always see the drawbacks of the characters you hate and not for the ones you love... konoha nins are the best but bee is better than jiraiya

Nope he isn't because i've already shown jiraiya has more then enough to beat him as does orochimaru.. But you're fail so i don;t really feel like explaining anything to you..

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oh plus jiraiyas frog gen wouldnt do anything to bee, coz of bijuu thing

once again unlike other genjutsu you entire body is paralyzed guess what the bijju is in you so he's fucked as well not to mention he can just swallow bee up with hell swamp FIGHT OVER.

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you also said that theres no evidence the seal was only for kyubii , well do you have evidence that its for all bijuu?

It's logical.. why make it only for kyuubi.. besides if he can mkae it for the strongest demon he can make it for the weaker ones as well

Edit: What everyone needs to understand is the frog genjutsu is performed by 2 sages so its no surprise that it is better then any genjutsu a human can produce... and it's also far more potent for that matter and dangerous.. there's a reason kishimoto didn't give this type of genjutsu to anyone else but 2 sages.

killerrabbit9 · 10-20-2009, 11:57 AM

@NeoKakarott023

"Good" Shinobi did fight each other in the Chunin exams. So if there was a Ninja tournament they might fight each other. Also who knows if the Leaf and Cloud don't declare war on each other, maybe the Hyuga incident isn't cleared up so easily? Also for all we know back in one of those Ninja wars Jiraiya killed Kirabi and the Raikage's father and/or mother or maybe the third did or Minato did.

In my opinion all Jiraiya has to do is transform a frog into Club Frog Rap Club. Kirabi comes in, then he's just a snack for the Mountain Toad.

10-20-2009, 04:00 AM	#155
The Special One Kage Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Oakpark, Michigan Age: 22 Posts: 5,058 Thanks: 892 Thanked 4,458 Times in 1,553 Posts	Re: 469 prediction/spoiler ^That's not my point. It takes a while for him to summon the Sennin Toads, and he's partically defenseless while he's gathering the chakra required for the summoning as he needs Gamaken, or a toad boss to fend off threats while he's gaining the chakra. Based on Jiraiya's response, I'm under the impression that he needs their help to be able to balance natural energy as well. Once he gets into it, he's fine, but he's not impervious to threats while he gathers the chakra for the Sennin Toads's summoning. Against a fast paced opponent who attacks a close range, Jiraiya would have a hard time defending. From the chapter when Jiraiya was gathering the chakra, he just stood on top of his toad not moving. What would he do if a person just jumped up on there and attacked? God Realm was able to avoid Gamabunta and escape through his palm (when he was facing Naruto). What would have happened if God realm was on the field at that moment? Getting into Sage Mode for Jiriaya is the danger thing, especially against an abled bodied opponent. Jiraiya couldn't afford to make shadow clones to back him up (because he needs the chakras for the summoning, and he can't afford to waste a lot of chakra in battle, becaus he needs it for the summoning.) It's a very taxing and complicated scenario. Jiraiya was just lucky he was facing off against a Pain that only used summons from long range. __________________ The Specialist, forever http://forums.narutocentral.com/showthread.php?t=24201 ^My first thread.lol

10-20-2009, 04:28 AM	#156
mewmew Fodder-nin Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Manila Posts: 426 Thanks: 154 Thanked 196 Times in 118 Posts	Re: 469 prediction/spoiler but if jiraiya knows that he's going to face a strong opponent, he would have summoned the toads prior to the battle. just like naruto went to battle with Pain, already in SM. Jiraiya got surprised by Pain too many times in their battle. __________________

10-20-2009, 05:06 AM	#158
mewmew Fodder-nin Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Manila Posts: 426 Thanks: 154 Thanked 196 Times in 118 Posts	Re: 469 prediction/spoiler he knew he was going to face a strong opponent but he wasn't expecting the rinnegan. he didn't underestimate pain. he knew too little about his opponent to prepare anything properly beforehand. __________________

10-20-2009, 05:33 AM	#159
The Special One Kage Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Oakpark, Michigan Age: 22 Posts: 5,058 Thanks: 892 Thanked 4,458 Times in 1,553 Posts	Re: 469 prediction/spoiler ^I'm suppose that's almost reasonable. But, what would make him prepare like that beforehand? Because he's the freakin Toad Sage and not many are on his level to his knowledge? Going by that logic he'd never prepare Sage Mode beforehand. I assumed after hearing that this guy defeated Hanzou, he should be rushing into Sage Mode while he was inside the frog all save and comfy (then again we didn't know what the hell Sage Mode was, so that point is almost null, as we assumed he'd always be in his top form)... Kishi was kinda screwy with the details here. In my opinion... Later it was revealed that Sage Mode is at its most potent when the shinobi has a lot of allies to back him up (Jiraiya was lucky in this case as the body only used summonings from long ranged), or if the shinobi retreats to a safe location to gather natural energy. This applies to Jiraiya because he needs to spend time summoning the two Sennin, otherwise Sage Mode isn't pratical for him. Yet his actions with Sage Mode in the battle, it contradicts Jiraiya's intellect, which would have been preparing first before going out. But I guess it is kind of screwy here. Thiss Pain guy only beat Hanzou (a man who whopped all three of the legendary Ninja when they were young). I don't know how much that meant to Jiraiya (since he was wiser as an older man, and has perfect his jutsu efficiency) but in my opinion Jiraiya should have at least took some precaution. But whatever, what happened, happened. __________________ The Specialist, forever http://forums.narutocentral.com/showthread.php?t=24201 ^My first thread.lol Last edited by The Special One; 10-20-2009 at 05:40 AM.

10-20-2009, 08:18 AM	#160
Widana14 Akatsuki Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Bekasigakure, Indonesia Country Age: 21 Posts: 576 Thanks: 38 Thanked 64 Times in 52 Posts	Re: 469 prediction/spoiler Jiraiya could transform to the sage mode longer, because Pa and Ma are the ones that collects the Natural chakra continuosly... He can't do it right... Naruto had to do it himself...of course not for so long, that's why he needs to extend and use Kage Bunshins to withstand the Sage mode __________________ Kikaichu no Jutsu !!! I love bugs... Why? Because I'm Shino Member of the Akatsuki FC ; Check Out da cute deidei !!! "Yow, I'm Deidara-chan" Member of The Jiraiya FC PROUD MEMBER OF ANTI-SASUKE FC sasuke: beware !!! The world shall watch me...cry to death !!! Member of The Uchiha Itachi FC Member of The Sasuke Haters FC Member of Kage FC Member of Three Legendary Sannin FC Don't forget to post in these cool threads !!! http://forums.narutocentral.com/showthread.php?t=28624 and http://forums.narutocentral.com/showthread.php?t=34469

10-20-2009, 09:47 AM	#162
NeoKakarott023 Sennin Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Parts Unknown, East Blue Posts: 4,924 Thanks: 3,531 Thanked 1,667 Times in 999 Posts	Re: 469 prediction/spoiler Please take Killerbee and Jiriaya to the VS Thread, because this is fan fiction, they would never fight, ever, for no reason, so stop predicting a winner. They are both 'good' characters thus, they'd never have a reason in this manga to battle. Name 2 'good' shinobi that fought, and I'd understand, it just dosen't happen in Naruto, so please leave room for some real predictions instead of somebodies wet dream of a fight. The only Sannin that is possible for this discussion is Orochimaru, and I believe he'd win over KB. Bijuu's aren't unbeatable, 7 has been collected already so people should stop putting Bijuu up to God Realms status. Currently Naruto PLUS the Kyuubi are the only ones that could withstand Pein, Hachibi would've gotten own'd by God Realm. Orochimaru healthy like vs. 4Tailed Naruto would equal defeat for KillerBee. I wonder what happens first, I think Kishi will make peoples mouths water by not starting the battle between KB & Kisame until the middle of the chapter, a lot of talking by both Sakura, and KB's Master will take up most of the chapter.

10-20-2009, 09:57 AM	#163
freedom07 SASUKE'S TRUE #1 FAN!! Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: SASUKE Age: 25 Posts: 2,113 Thanks: 160 Thanked 733 Times in 390 Posts	Re: 469 prediction/spoiler tch myth u hype jiraiya too much you mentioned frog genjutsu and its over... we dont even know that much about it ..if thats the case then how about tsykomi and its over ?!?!? hahaha also frog gen took a long time and for jiraiya to run to use remember i guess your comeback could be the drawbacks for tsykomi but you always see the drawbacks of the characters you hate and not for the ones you love... konoha nins are the best but bee is better than jiraiya oh plus jiraiyas frog gen wouldnt do anything to bee, coz of bijuu thing you also said that theres no evidence the seal was only for kyubii , well do you have evidence that its for all bijuu?

10-20-2009, 11:57 AM	#165
killerrabbit9 Chuunin Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Albany, New York Posts: 426 Thanks: 260 Thanked 523 Times in 140 Posts	Re: 469 prediction/spoiler @NeoKakarott023 "Good" Shinobi did fight each other in the Chunin exams. So if there was a Ninja tournament they might fight each other. Also who knows if the Leaf and Cloud don't declare war on each other, maybe the Hyuga incident isn't cleared up so easily? Also for all we know back in one of those Ninja wars Jiraiya killed Kirabi and the Raikage's father and/or mother or maybe the third did or Minato did. In my opinion all Jiraiya has to do is transform a frog into Club Frog Rap Club. Kirabi comes in, then he's just a snack for the Mountain Toad.

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