batonnoir

Remember when the rule was "The stronger the technique, the greater the risk".

I have noticed a trend developing with Naruto's techniques. Techniques that were forbidden becaude they drained too much chakra from the caster, or left the caster vulnerable are developing into user-friendly jutsus that are insanely powerful.

SHADOW CLONE JUTSU...forbidden jutsu because it takes too much of the caster's chakra leaving them vulverable...
Not so for Uzumaki Naruto! Chakra to spare despite creating thousands of clones...and if he runs out...BAM! Kyuubi chakra galore.
Drawbacks...none really except for increased mental fatigue when he uses the clones to train or tries to understand Sakura. (Oh yean...and the possibilityof losing control to the Kyuubi...but you know they'll be buddies soon. Don't you?)

RASEN SHURIKEN...forbidden jutsu because of the damage done to the caster's chakra network.
Naruto finds a way. Thanks to rigorous training to learn SM, (I still don't know how he figured out SM would work with RS) our hero Naruto has created a technique that uses minimum chakra, but has catastrophic destructive power.
Drawbacks...he is limited to how many times he can use the technique and stay in SM, currently extending his SM/RS by reverse summoning clones.

SAGE MODE...Huge risks while developing the technique.
Naruto does it again! Super strength and speed, "one with nature" sensing abilities, frog katas.
Drawbacks...same as RS

Other possible "rule breakers" are Madara, other Jinchuriki, Sasuke (if he uses Itachi's eyes)... Is this the path to the level of the Rikudo Sennin? Is it PNJ?

What are your thoughts on this trend?

The Special One

Well Mass Shadow Clones is the forbidden jutsu I think.

But Kishi had pissed a lot of people off with Naruto's performance eariler in Part II because his shit got banned.

1. Kyuubi's chakra. Reason was because it put his friends in danger and Yamato claimed that it wasn't his power, so he suggested that Naruto use his own power. (Toss 2 and a half years worth of training in the trash).

2. Forbid Rasen Shuriken (Cause of the effects it does to his body. Flush over 30 chapters worth of training and inactivity in order to use his new jutsu, down the toilet).

Though, I think Kishi used those reasons in order to give Sasuke more screen time.

I honestly don't care about the Forbidden stuff because Naruto found away around it, but I suppose it is a good thing that Naruto is active again (introduced Sage Mode to cut back the risk for Rasen Shuriken). Now Kishi gone and became a renigger with the Kyuubi mess. It's good that's back, but Kishi so underhanded us with this Naruto needs to rely on his own power BS.

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Konnaha_yellow_flash

DO WHAT??? SM has no side effects making it the ultimate hax since it only takes naruto a couple days to master lol.

Lol, MS causes blindness, releasing gates causes either super fatigue, torn muscles or even death, sasanoo drains life energy.

Huge shinrei tensai also drains away ones life.

SM isnt forbidden anyways, just rare because of the prerequisits (large chakra pool, great chakra control).

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MajorStranger

No side effect for sage mode? how about transforming into a toad statue if you lose your Nature chakra concentration? It's a big side effect IMO. Sure naruto learn to control Natural chakra but if, by some reason, he lose control he will become a statue

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batonnoir

Perhaps I should have named this thred Forbidden Jutsu vs Incomplete Jutsu.
The main point I was trying to make is that Naruto has found a way to make these Jutsus safe for himself, whereas these jutsus could or have caused other shinobi's their lives.
For example Lightning Blade was an high risk jutsu when it was developed and deemed incomplete by Minato, however Kakashi discovered that with the use of the Sharingan, the Jutso was now effective.
Lol, for MS symptoms, you left out oily discharge and explosive diarreah.
MS does have problems, unless you take it to the next level and do the eye swap with a sibling...then you have the perfected MS

Releasing the inner gates is troublesome for lee, but for someone with large chakra reserves and a healing ability....I 'm just saying that if the right technique is matched with the right person. No risk powerhouse.
Naruto has completed his Sage training and should have no other control issues, I did wonder about the possibility of him being exposed to Samehada. If the sword only eats chakra, it could unbalance Naruto's SM

Krohnie84

SM still has the side effect of becoming a frog rock. We saw what NE can do to someone who doesn't know it's limits or how to balance it. (Hungry Relm), the question should be if Kisame's sword would turn into a rock?

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Konnaha_yellow_flash

Of course becoming a frog statue, but naruto was just able to have pa smack him on the head with a stick when that happened canceling out that side effect which is why I say it has no side effects. And if ur going to just use the training to get the jutsu side effects then how about the if u dont die u damn well near did training ur SG to its level making it able to attain MS level.

Or, Lee and gai traning to the breaking point risking theyre bodies muscles, ect in the mastery of the forbidden lotus.

Thats all just pre jutsu side effects, but now SM unlike all the others has no drawbacks. Naruto doesnt turn into a frog the more he uses the jutsu like I thought kishi might add as a limit, but no, Nothing! SM just gives and takes nothing making it the ultimate hax.

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People live relying on they're Knowledge and Perception, and thus are bound to them.....
Those Boundaries are what they tend to accept as "Reality".....
However..... Knowledge and Perception are both ambiguous....
so "Reality" could be nothing more....
then an illusion....

ITACHI UCHIHA

mewmew

mass kagebunshin is uberhaxx if kishi can draw 1000+ narutos per issue or the animators can make a thousand narutos move uniquely. Sage Mode is just an excuse so that they would have lesser narutos to draw...

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Gamabunta

After Madara's revelation of the two brothers.

You will know where the trend is heading now,
Welcome to Sage's mode => inheritance of Senju (the youngest brother).
Greater risk only cause he can/should.
Otherwise, the tide is imbalance to Sharingan/Uchiha (the eldest brother).

So my thoughts on this thread?

Please keep up with the story progression.

mewmew

senjutsu= originated from the senju clan? i won't be surprised if it's revealed sometime soon.

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MajorStranger

it actually come from two distinctive Kanji:

Sen-jutsu 仙術, Sage Techniques

Senju clan 千手一族, Senju Ichizoku

totally different. the fact both name look similar is because of the Translation. In fact they don't have anything in common

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Konnaha_yellow_flash

To be fair EMS might very well be a Hax beyond SM if the whole Izanagi thing is true and it can make one Immortal by controling death and Invincible by Controling creation (instaheal of any kind of wound), thus giving itachis example of madara, the Invincible Immortal some truth.

I guess we will find out in 2010 at this rate.

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People live relying on they're Knowledge and Perception, and thus are bound to them.....
Those Boundaries are what they tend to accept as "Reality".....
However..... Knowledge and Perception are both ambiguous....
so "Reality" could be nothing more....
then an illusion....

ITACHI UCHIHA

poolangya

in fairness to Sage Mode, to achieve it, you have to have the necessary requirements, forgot about that, but very importantly, one trains to achieve mastery of that. compared to other hax jutsus, MKS, Gates (not sure about this one tho) i've never seen any uchiha to train mks, gai and lee can open gates at p1, and it was said that to open 8th gate,you die after, therefore no training would be allowed for that. and the repercussions for each gate is very diminishing to the body, so one should not train with it. therefore,they may have gotten it in a poof! just like MS, well you have to kill a certain someone, but still,training to achieve it is out of the window for those other hax jutsus.

but to say that sm has no risks at all is ignoring the difficulty of balancing one's chakra with natural energy.and the effect of losing to such condition is at the least equal to death.,that is being turned into stone.

Konnaha_yellow_flash

One doesnt just awaken the MS. He has to first master his regular SG to the right level before MS can happen. And then MS makes one blind, give and take.

Gai and Lee trained thyre asses of to get forbidden lotus from what I remember. They just didnt do it or anybody would be able to do it. And at 5 gates Lee tore his muscles apart form the power, give and take.

Yes, we know how SM is mastered, but after the balance is mastered and one uses the jutsu theres only give, no take!! Naruto gets incredible abilites and yet doesnt have to suffer, give or lose something from the use of the jutsu unlike the others.

Thast the point Im trying to make.

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People live relying on they're Knowledge and Perception, and thus are bound to them.....
Those Boundaries are what they tend to accept as "Reality".....
However..... Knowledge and Perception are both ambiguous....
so "Reality" could be nothing more....
then an illusion....

ITACHI UCHIHA

poolangya

who knows if sage mode doesnt have any negative effect upon every successful usage? we have seen sage mode in only one battle, not everything was explained i believe. who knows if it makes the user impotent? jiraiya was able to half master it and look at him die an old man without a child of his own? lol