liondemon

I think u make good points. I think Kishi likes to keep mystery, suspense, and questions in his manga to keep it debatable, fresh and pioneering as possible. By leaving so many "hints and clues", possibilities, and unanswered questions, Kishi keeps his manga alive 7 days a week in debates like this. These debates will likely last long after Naruto is over. I bet on some forum somewhere in the internet, as we type, some gay person is forcefully debating that Zabuza and Haku were gay, which is easily more believable than Naruto and Sasuke.

I can honestly say that i did not read the original thread in it's entirety for the fact that it was too long and i knew regardless what manga examples were stated and how well they were "researched", any biased gay person with the queer eye would even see that Kishi never had intentions for Naruto to be gay. If any hints can be found in the manga to his homosexuality, they must be very subtle and need a novel worth of "evidence" to even raise a brow. Now if i were to look at those "read into" panels and moments presented and see for myself the potential homosexual in Naruto and/or Sasuke, then it should be cool for me to pick out those "hints" i see in "Metrosexual" men and call them gay based on what i see in them that i can compare to obviously gay men. From some of what i did read and panels i saw, i can see where Kishi definitely could have "planned to cause" this entire theory and debate based on some of the "evidence" the thread creator presented. But some of the "evidence" is clearly forced for convenience, which is where i lost the will to read the rest and couldnt take seriously, anything else "supporting" the theory.

I think the "evidence" presented shows that Kishi may "gay play" in his manga, Naruto, even with Naruto's character, but Naruto's character "personally" has shown dislike for homosexuality and a like for Sakura, and Hinata who he once told he really likes her. With homosexuality in a manga like this comes controversy, just look at the pages in this thread already, which tends to bring notoriety. Kishi walks the line of just the right amount of controversy. It's good business, and a great way to stand out. Not pushing homophobes away from the manga with a clearly gay Naruto, but possibly drawing homosexuals in with the possibility that this great manga and it's main character may be one of their own. Kishi shouldnt play with gay people's emotions like that. But that's just my opinion.

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Kinako

Really??? So because I haven't been convinced of Tzu Men's theory all of a sudden I'm a homophobe?! C'Mon Veng where do you see me saying anything fucked up about gay people?? And to answer your question I DO know gay people have gay classmates and a cousin who is gay. I dont act any different towards them as I would towards you. Especially when I know more likely than not you are saying things towards me yet again when you done had a lil too much to drink (which is prob the only reason you are trying to talk about me when I have long gone from this thread). I'm an equal oppurtunity asshole so sexual orientation dosen't mean anything to me. Kindergarten?!?!? C'Mon son, it is just the pilot. That does not tie into Sasuke or anything else even in this Manga. The only similarities are the fact Naruto is Naruto, & the 9 Tail still exists. I even admitted that little heart was weird in an earlier post since you pay such close attention to my posts you should already know that though. But saying that pilot counts would be like saying that the 3 Tails filler arc actually happened or that whole Fire Temple arc was canon. Yeah Kishi may have wrote the pilot, but 96% of that pilot didn't make it to issue 1 (including his alleged gayness). But Veng, you seen I haven't even bothered posting on here for like 2 days because I know this thread is simply an argument starter. Why talk that extra shit about me?? Just because I don't agree with this theory???

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Kinako

Oh yeah, and just because i dont think Naruto is gay does not mean that I hate gays or whatever dumbass shit you guys are trying to pull off. It just means I don't think he is gay. You guys do think he is gay. Based on your theory/possiblity or whatever the fuck you are trying to pass this off as...........I still dont think the little motherfucker is gay. The only way I would believe this is if Kishi himself said in an interview or wrote in an upcoming issue that he was gay. Until then.... I dont have to keep explaining why I dont beleive it because I have already said why. Refer to Page 4 for the reasons why you can't piss on my head and tell me it's raining.


PS I read the threads again.... I see you got an honorary member now. LOL

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Tankynator

Do you really think everything has a deeper meaning even if it's obvious meant as a joke? So what does this scene actually mean? Maybe Kishi wanted to imply that his fans are overthinking things, then again he might have done it for the lulz.

And although I don't read them, I'm pretty sure that yaoi/bishounen books don't take 500 chapters to relieve that accidental created tension.

Darth-Nero

Figured that you don't know what's a pilot episode..

Pilot episode or issue is the 1st of a series which the writer use as a testing ground to test if the series will be successful and accepted or not. In that pilot the writer puts the main concepts of his plot (like it being a ninja story with a little lonely boy with great hidden powers as a hero) so if he hints the hero to be a possible homosexual you can't go foolishly and say that pilots and fillers are the same because fillers are just an extension to the story that have nothing to do with the plot while it's the opposite in the pilot like how i explained above.

Breaking it down to you in a few words: you can collect legit evidences and hints from the pilot issue,Unlike fillers.

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Naruto is gay (to stay on topic)

Lalalila

Did you read this pilot? it's so different then manga that I don't even consider this as evidence... and you consider this heart http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/0/02/ as a evidence of Naruto being gay? lol he is pissing at him!

Darth-Nero

Yes i did, Yes it is different but that doesn't negate the fact that it's a "naruto manga" by "masashi kishimoto" so you can pick evidence from it like you do from the rest of the issues.

Will ppl used the same type of evidence to try to prove his love for sakura and automatically being straight,So i used the same method to also prove my point of naruto being gay..and pissing can also be an act of love if you're familier with something called "fetish".

Tankynator

It's strange how the "Naruto is gay" faction tries to argue using the pilot episode (where Narutos profession, race and of course character are totally different from the series) instead of answering to that really long (double) post they wanted me to write...

Lalalila

Because it was in real chapter not in pilot and the context was different...

Ironclad

Because pilot episode is not canon because....



Jesus, now we are heading into failtastic territory.

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Kinako

That's exactly what I said. It is a pilot, not canon.

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Ironclad

If anything, the pilot is canon. Especially here, and especially in the manga version.

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Kinako

I see....i still don't believe that boy is gay. But the pilot...Okay, look. It's not like they are riding in cars with guns, or that Naruto's dad is the Kyuubi (like in the pilot) in this present story, or talking about events that transpired in the pilot. Granted, it is the same writer, but the character was so much different from the actual manga and the storyline that most of the storyline, characters, and Naruto himself got switched up by issue 1. Honestly, I wish I could read Japanese because I KNOW we are probably missing a lot in the translation. That way this can be settled once and for all whether the evidence can prove he is gay (and I do not believe he is).

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Ironclad

Partially yes, but for a foreign language you actually have to think in the language to have a good grasp, at least on literal levels. Chomsky's LED comes usually handy in such situations. And people here actually think homophobe means Fear of Gays. Sigh, just stop the mudslinging everyone, you do not have to answer to every insignificant piece of libertarian accusation you come accross.

And yes, Yamato indeed has to.

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Kinako

LED?? What is that??

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